gratian to rule today. on larry king now science's reigning superstar neil de grasse tyson why why am i interested in space because i think it's fascinating it's awesome it's limitless it's boundless and if people holds the seeds of everyone's. curiosity what percentage of knowledge as we look out in the universe and we look at all of the forces that are driving what's going on we actually can quantify how much of that we know and it's about four percent plus he said life elsewhere you run the numbers and you realize it would be inexcusably egocentric to suggest that we were alone in the room all next on larry king now.

we're in new york the top of trump tower i'm a bad view on a beautiful day in october and our special guest is neil de grasse tyson is the tyson is an extraordinary gentleman the astrophysicist a scientist with a million and a half followers on twitter the new york times best selling author hosts his own pod cast called star talk he's director of the famed hayden planetarium when i was eight years old he took me to have a little boys we came from school his new show is cosmos it debuts on fox in early two thousand and fourteen he's the recipient of eighteen honorary doctorates and the nasa distinguished service medal as the highest award given by nasa to a non-government citizen before anything else i want i grew up with a lot of guys not one wanted to be an astrophysicist. i don't know where you grew

up look at the brooklyn blades you go i actually grew up in the bronx dub rocks and the whole impala who he want to. be a four star general you want to be honest it's when you're going in the city this you don't have a relationship with the sky you know you know how did you choose what is a building there there's back then there was smog and pollution so yeah it was a first visit to the hayden planetarium really that i now direct as a kid as a kid as a kid i was i want kids in new york go to have you on at some point you go through a school trip and i guess it doesn't hit everybody the same way but it hit me sitting there in the chair in the lights went out in the stars came out and and i think the universe chose me after that really i don't think i had any say in them so right then you need i knew this was july age eleven i figured out you can do it as a career at age nine i think in career you're just thinking what's one of done it fascinated the vastness the infinitude of it often it's i don't know that word exists but you know what i mean by a good word yeah and it's it's just the idea that to understand it goes

beyond earth and cars methods and tools and and and talents and and then i learned you have to know math because the universe the language of the universe is mass and figuring that figure that out that early it meant i didn't have any sort of math things i because i want to talk to the universe you want to talk to somebody you going to learn their language and there's no fear factor at all why is not in all of the problems we have in the world poverty why is my space important well i think of space well. let me split that question there's why why am i interested in space because i think it's fascinating it's awesome it's limitless it's boundless and if it holds the seeds of everyone's curiosity i mean to whatever extent curiosity is written in our d.n.a. nasa fulfills the expression of that curiosity. in

a song don't tell me you've never walked out at night and looked up and just wondered in a stupor how far away the stars are what they're made of other is the life out there how did it all begin how's it going to end it's kennedy said we go mad we made to explore but is it more important. so that's my lens that's why i do it so now you want it practical yeah that's fine but we can get practical when i think of space i think of a seductive force on a saw especially in the educational pipeline that stimulates people to want to study science engineering math and technology the stem fields of order that right so i think knowledge engineering math and that when you do that whether or not you land in space in a space activity you have otherwise stoke it's the population with people who think differently from others when we for example if if

a hurricane is coming what's the first thing you say oh let's run but i talk in the paper buy up all the water from the convenience store yeah that's one way to think about another one is how can we tap that energy of the hurricane so that it doesn't level the city maybe can power the city it would have otherwise leveled how do we deflect that asteroid rather than asking where to run so you can hide from it when you have scientists and engineers in your midst different questions get asked and different solutions arise solutions that transform our culture transform who and what we are to this earth why did you become a national at the time who are the astronauts i mean i'm old enough to remember the sixty's although i was really a participant in the seventy's and they were choosing these folks with my crew cuts and they were military pilots this at a time when the vietnam war was becoming less popular and hair was the number one musical on broadway i didn't feel like they were talking to me now they would take

it oh yeah well that they probably would have to possibly go had but back then there was no intersecting plus where is nasa going at the time they're going to orbit around the earth i'm say going to put me in space take me somewhere do you think the public the public represented in congress has turned away from nasa. a bit i think and it's to our own peril. not the least of which is the risk of asteroid impacts one of which rendered the dinosaurs extinct sixty five million years ago you know if they had a space program they would have figured out a way to deflect the thing but they don't even have opposable thumbs much less their walnut size already on them and save them if not beyond us if we go extinct on earth because of an asteroid impact would be the laughing stock of aliens in the galaxy. i don't know whether you can go with this is so wonderful talking to you it's my first time on your show i know you'll be you'll be many but i'd like to

just go on and do shows with you for a we have a mutual friend cause sagan we've also taken on greed i mean all the early astronauts i've been around i was with the kennedy when he started the space program no one denies that you've been around. people. and i learned from. you distort what is it like to become a celebrity astrophysicist yeah i didn't even think those two words ever blogging became that in the same sense right now i get i get stopped by strangers on the street between fifty and one hundred times a day who want to know what is and well what's interesting is they say oh you the astra yeah and and the good part of that is most of the time they're saying tell me more about the black hole that i heard you know and so really they're object of interest it's not me it's the universe and i'm just a conduit between them in the cosmos serving up their their smorgasbord we have

a mutual friend bill maher you go oh my you have done few three times yeah this may seem stupid but i got a i went to lafayette high school that's it. what do we know and what don't we know . what what what do what percentage of knowledge do we have a scale of one hundred we have no idea how much we don't know in any real terms however if we look out in the universe and we look at all of the forces that are driving what's going on we actually can quantify how much of that we know and it's about four percent four percent about four percent so in other words there are if there's phenomenon going on in the universe that to this day stumps us and you add up all the stomping phenomena in the in the cosmos and this amounts to the dark matter we don't know. eighty five percent of all the gravity in the universe has a source about which we know nothing we call it dark matter with dark energy the

universe is accelerating in its expansion against the wishes of the collective gravity of all the galaxies we don't know it's cause we can measure it but we don't know what's causing it added up it's ninety six percent of all there is so we're really on the precipice staring out into an abyss of ignorance speaking of sagan that answer your question yeah ok. you're going to reboot cosmos yeah yeah for the twenty first century it's been thirty three years that do it say well we went all around the world we're finishing up actually this month that the filming and then there's the vo work and and the the the special effects in there and the animations and the visualizations so we expected to come out next spring actually airing on fox it's going to be great yeah and i think we all have very strong hopes for and we have andrea is the is the writer she's she was one of the corridors of the original series so we have genetic links back to the original of course carl is not

with us when you want to go into space i would but if you can send me someplace i don't want to i boldly go where hundreds of gone before driving around the block as what the space shuttle had done it be fun to see earth but i'd rather wait until we can actually go somewhere and take me to mars to an asteroid a far we want to ride a comet when will we be there and by the way just to put this in context if i take a schoolroom globe and ask you relative to that size how high how high up is the space station space shuttle is three eighth's of an inch above a schoolroom globe and somehow we're all convinced that that space no not to me not to an astrophysicist and how far away is the moon thirty feet away the full width of a room away mars a mile away from a school room globe it was shortly that we're going to get the. i don't mean two ways we can get there one is if china tomorrow says they want to put military bases

exactly was going to be there in ten months one months to design fun building engineer the spacecraft that nine months to get there of course you don't want to go into space i don't at least want to go war to be the driver even though that's what drove us to get to the moon we don't remember that era as being war driven to be the first week but we the russian ads were our threat and the moon was the new high ground so another completely noble goal at least in a capitalist culture is you do it because there is can be a strong economic return to your culture to your nation i have said colleges tell me once a day in the world change for america. when russia would someone in space before us completely and in fact if we were really candid with ourselves we wouldn't actually remember our role in that space race as pioneers because in fact we were reactive we were primarily react if they were russia did or not proactive they put

up they put support nick we go ballistic literally and figuratively and we found nasa nasa was founded the same week i was born so i feel a little connectivity there then they sent to put a human in orbit we put a human in orbit they put up they just go right they put the first non-human animal we eat everything we did was in reaction to the laid back the use of ordinariness of tyson was. a nation of three that couldn't take three times four charges three arrangement three. three. zero type three. download free blood gets loaded video for your media project for free media on down to r t dot com.

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to have you with us here on t.v. today i roll researcher. the baghlan neil de grasse tyson my promise you will either have his own show on or it will be with us frequently as i love guests like this because just boggles my mind other people are this. is their life elsewhere well if you just think if you look at the numbers just first the ingredients of life on earth they're not special made of carbon nitrogen oxygen. this is these are the most common ingredients in the universe so you can appeal to our special chemistry because it's everywhere now oh how many of the locations might you have life if life existed on

a planetary surface how many planets are out there well we we're we've got an inventory in the making right now that the kepler telescope which recently recently had some some mechanical failures but not before he gave us a list of a thousand planets out there or being stars that are nearby the sun and that's just in our little pocket of the milky way galaxy so so you run the numbers and you realize it would be inexcusably egocentric to suggest that we were alone in the universe and so anyone who's actually studied the problem with say sure sure is that statistics strongly argue in favor of what the weather's intelligent life that we would call intelligent here's here's you want to sleep maybe there's life that's so intelligent it doesn't consider us to be intelligent we just we came up with our own definitions of what intelligence is imagine they are so brilliant they look at this is like and evolve and they didn't i wouldn't they wouldn't even deign they

wouldn't even waste their time any more that with when you walk by a worm in the street that just crawled out gasping for air after a morning rain do you say gee i wonder what the urn is thinking i wonder no one can hear you you step on the worm all right so so i. sent us to suggest that we are intelligent no other life on earth has ever been intelligent and we can then have a conversation with other intelligent therefore you bruce to believe in god it would be i think if your god created the whole universe just to put you in it. because you pose an interesting question there is a there is a monk back just pretty gal i have just a little pre galileo his name is your donald bruno who who had just learned about copernicus his work that maybe the sun is in the middle of the known universe instead of earth well if earth is just one of the planets and earth has life maybe

other planets of life think about it once you realize that earth is one of many it opens up a whole world of questioning and he said if that's the case then and if all these lights in the night sky are signs just like our sun then maybe they all have planets then maybe the whole universe is teeming with life that got him into trouble because back then religious philosophies did not allow the universe to contain any kind of intelligence beyond what god would have court can here on earth and in astrophysics is the religious of course any i think religion is has been with us since we came out of the jungle the darling even a judge a mental god someone hovering over those if you look at the numbers i just tell you the numbers the numbers that scientists on average are less religious than the population ok but that number is not zero so then you ask well what does it mean for them to be religious i tell you this if they're active contributing scientists they're not running around telling you that the universe was made in six days it's

a different kind of religiosity that the scientist has it's more of a spirituality more of a feeling of a creator rather than using the bible as a science textbook of its depth that defies its rightness yeah i mean we know death no religion perhaps we. we fear death perhaps because we're born knowing only life right so what else are we left to do but to fear that unknown the so what all i'm saying is that the religious scientists are they will surely will have a spirituality about them but it's not the kind where they're running around trying to change the science curriculum your parents encourage you to do this they didn't encourage anything all they would be very precise about this they took we grew up in new york city rich with cultural institutions we every weekend we went to zoos the music museum of natural history art museums the opera plays we went to

everything that adults do that is beyond just dr lawyer indian chief to show the full range the dynamic range of what curious talented people can do as adults and in that i got exposed to the planetary my brother is an artist he was enchanted by the art museums when fact went to high school music and art my sister is the one sell out she went into corporate america but what i stood for i went to the bronx high school of science it is what it's fairly recently it logs eight we got our eighth nobel prize among the college that went to harvard and majored in physics knowing all along that astrophysics would never was not a black man's world and it's not at the time and in fact every one of my ambitions when expressed in our culture was you know i want to join the physics club no you looks like you're good at basketball why don't we will set it up so that you can play on the basketball team and we'll send you rides back home from school it was

as though my interest where the path of most resistance are you father to my father was active in the civil rights movement in fact he became commissioner under mayor lindsay here in new york commission of the manpower and career development agency and the human resources administration so he was right there thinking about. the youths in the ghetto it's as the inner city was known back then and so the york city didn't have the riots that you found in watts and in and in detroit over that period there was a certain communication channel established between the inner cities and and and it's a city hall who uses for said cyril you know has several de grasse tyson i might have meant i would have come to view them asking i've done and doing his fifty six years of an interview many many many figures in the civil rights movement you know in the sixty's i was in that movement he was going

to non-elective office but he was in the back backroom trying to get stuff done by the so by the way my mother was a housewife with who would later go to college once we were nearing empty nest so there was no force operating say thou shall be a scientist but what they saw is that when i expressed this interest in the universe at age nine they nurtured it they didn't they didn't make it what it was a whole can do it in several exactly and that's a different kind of way you raise somebody. we all know people who became whatever it was because their parents were that rather than became what they are because their parents nurtured their already expressed interest before you in the social media questions. do you look at the glass as half full or half empty i think that question is overplayed and the way i view it is if you are in the process of filling the glass it's half full if you're in the process of drinking the contents that was in it it's half empty so that question i think can be enlightened by more

information added to it and then you can look at the trend line of what is going on half empty or half full it's like the chicken egg we have an answer to that too but people keep thinking it's a deep profound seance the answer is the egg came first it was late but it was laid by a bird that was not a chicken. of the globe is it true that you only tweet in one hundred forty five characters yes reason i tweet one hundred twenty five characters not one hundred forty why is that because i want i don't want people to have to edit what i tweeted for them to read to eat it lately there are utilities where you can reach wheat without having to eat characters of archie space at neil tyson space but r.t. space at neil tyson space that's fifteen characters and if you're going to be tweeted i don't want you shortening my words into this ghastly abbreviation speak because my word i want the words to be this one twenty five characters come

sales right i'm not allowed to put in a room together my late friend steve jobs you know would have been an interesting day at johnny basher via twitter wants to know what would happen if the i.r.s. stopped rotating for a second oh yeah that would be disastrous disastrous because right now here in new york you can calculate at our latitude we're all moving with the earth at eight hundred miles an hour do east because earth is rotating if you stopped earth and you weren't seat belt buckled to the earth you would fall over and roll eight hundred miles an hour due east it would kill everyone on earth people be flying out of windows and i would just be a bad day on earth i'm just saying. now if if you if somehow we all slowed down to anything not bolted to the earth would would slide due east eight hundred miles an hour that's what happens to you in a car if you hit a brick wall and you're not wearing

a seatbelt you keep going that's why you get hurt in those kinds of accidents as if somehow we all slow down with the earth then ok that's fine i mean people think will somehow be weightless or a loser atmosphere no it's just that you have really long days and ski boot one as was the thing that has surprised you most in the physics world in the physics world i'm surprised. can i give a cop out answer there i'm surprised that the united states could lead the world in particle physics for most of the twentieth century and then just abandon that leadership and now the most powerful particle accelerator is in europe at cern that the center for. european center for nuclear research but if you spell that in french it spells cern read us and they say is that particle accelerator that found the god particle the famous higgs bows on and which is looking over across the pond saying ok and we did a few of our scientists are on the project but we're not the leaders of it so yes what surprises me in physics that we could buy photo of congress cede that

leadership that quickly and i'm astonished i wonder what country am i living in it's not the one i grew up in it's something different and it's a cop out answer but that's how a danger dave seven twenty three tweets what obstacles do we have to overcome in order to facilitate end of planetary travel. ok you know voyager just left the solar system the voyager spacecraft it was in all the news a few weeks ago traveling fast as at this boundary between the sun's influence and the galactic influence and so you can say well if you if you hitched a ride on that how long would it take you because been going for forty years how long would it take you to get to the nearest star the nearest star in a galaxy that has one hundred million stars in it there's one hundred billion stars in it the nearest star taking forty thousand years. so the question what does it take to become interstellar space we'll have to figure out a way to live

a really long time more send a crew of astronauts that are really fertile so that the eighty's a generation down the line is the one who lands at the destination or we have to find out something new about the fabric of space and time so that we can basically invoke the famous warp drive engines that are common in star trek allowing them to cross the galaxy joining the t.v. commercial genius our own tweets of what can we expect the north and south poles to shift when can we expect them to shift and what manifestations will leave periods they don't shift and you know there was a lot of talk about pole shifting as we went into the year two thousand and twelve all the twenty twelve hysteria which was basically a hoax on scientifically illiterate people of the world and so the pole earth rotates and the pole bobs up and down over tens of thousands of years and we

and we oscillate like this the way a top does when you see a top begin to slow down when nobody plays with tops anymore well you've got a laptop i play with a love you spin it and then it begins a lovely deficient words precess we do that and we do one full procession every twenty six thousand years we don't flip one of the things is still as this the little boy in you that looks up and wonders why the the little boy has never left in fact. a scientist is a child who has never grown up because you've been in rooms with kids they're poking at things and and they're near breaking everything and the of what is the adult telling them to not you know slow down stop it we spend the first year of a kid's life teaching them to walk and talk the rest of their lives tell him to shut up and sit down we spoke wash the creativity that is built into our d.n.a. and the few who survive these these sweltering forces of surrounding adults they become scientists for thinking that it's over for.

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