now the freedom to mark. heller welcome to sophie and cohesive shevardnadze and is a spying on millions of including those of thirty five world leaders has been called unacceptable by some of america's closest allies that's as even more leaks are expected to surface released by edward snowden before he wanted to hiding in russia what drives the governments in their actions can societies do without them today we're talking to an anarchist. as government struggle to make decisions and find solutions leaks revealed they don't often practice what they preach representatives of the people do they really care for the common good do

they really value improving the life of the public or would the people be better off without the power hungry. our guest today is just monsoon american mixed martial arts fighter and self-proclaimed anarchist jeff is great having to do today so it's only a start with the latest in the say leaks and about the fact that everyone found out us was spying on everybody including their closest allies like germany france thirty five countries altogether what do you think they were looking for there. i think you know it's a power. i think as a general citizen united states. you know informed i realize that the united states is it is spying on everyone why i went there because it's you know a power struggle they want to do it's about economics and you know where germany's going to put their money we're you know companies are going here what companies are going there so it's not i don't think it's about you know military how we have

a cold war thinking like they're going to bomb us or we're going to bomb them or where they're putting their submarines i think it's more of economics that are involved in the spying so what happened right after the leaks is that the countries that were spied on came on it's that it's outrageous but that's about it do you think they should do something more than just say it's outrageous about them being spied on you know i think they're spying as well i think it's you know this is my opinion i'm not a conspiracy theorist anything like that i just think these countries are constantly you know vying for power in certain regions and you know they might call the united states their friend and economically they are friends and trading partners but you know if you're looking for an advantage going to take an invention get when you're in the world of capitalism and trying to you know support your companies so you think both sides are being kind of sly yeah of course you know i work in america i think it's a great country but. do you believe that america is exceptional do you believe in

american exceptionalism in the sense that it can do whatever it wants whenever it wants to whoever it wants well that's a very good question i. i believe before you know american if you said you're talking about american exceptionalism people in america would say no no no we're not like this who are out for freedom of democracy and you know we have to be involved in certain wars or have military presence in certain areas because we're looking out for the world as a whole not just america. but now that's changed the climate change and let's say you're you know especially in the republican side of the sphere if you don't say you're to accept a rip in america it's up to them it's seen as a down thing and they're actually criticizing obama for you know for not having an american search for a while he was actually president obama at that setting speech and he spoke about the american exceptionalism that's what i got for election yeah well they're

criticizing him for not being an american enough and look at all for american interests enough and thinking globally and you know especially republicans not such as bash on them because this is kind of a universal thing in the united states now is that we have this you know gone back to the eight hundred service manifest destiny idea but now it's not just north america it's the world you know we have not only to have the police the world but you know i just saw i think we have a military base of some sort of base in one hundred thirty five out of the hundred ninety you when registered countries i mean it's crazy and most of these countries of course are friends. economically so you know why why why do we need so many bases worldwide more empire and then to say we're not is is not true so you're saying republicans are more keen on emphasizing american exceptionalism and they actually blame obama for not being american enough or you think it's not american enough. i believe you know to be an american you have i

think it's just you have the pride you know not so much our nationalistic pride like a worldwide pride like we you know we're the united states not just a world power we are the world power and we have what we says goes and you know religiously economically morally. we believe that we're correct in that. by having the rules and the standards that we say but do you believe it will actually me. model someone who polices some sort or everyone should do their own thing. my mom used to say like you know if you say something you gotta walk if you walk the walk you gotta talk your talk the talk you gotta walk the walk. everything that we say we don't do you know we have illegal base in guantanamo we have you know the you want you when said don't invade iraq invaded iraq anyway so we we do

what we want to do like so that's where american exceptionalism comes into full play because i we're going to do the things that make the united states better or make our corporations in a better situation in the world economy and that's just the way it is and if that happens to agree with other countries it's just frosting on the cake but if it doesn't it's not going to stop us from doing it now i understand that you actually advocate health care as it fordable health care as a basic need for every human being of course obamacare is about that affordable health care and you know you like the whole concept of a lot of obamacare as it's got some good points about points where it was originally intended has been torn down and shredded and then cut and pasted and what we have now is nothing in what you know i envision for you no health care for everybody but it's better than nothing no yeah it's better than nothing but unfortunately what you have is people businesses are actually cutting. you know the

hours of employees or changing benefits or firing people totally so they don't have to pay for health care so it's actually hurting just and many people as it's helping and another thing is. physically would be required to have health insurance under the administration of the government telling you if you don't have insurance we're going to find you would see illegal not to have insurance that's your take away some civil liberties as well so if i want to talk a little bit about your fuse in the global sense because i know you're a self-proclaimed seven beginning but your tap a battery case sort of justice for all and you don't like governments you believe that people should govern themselves but could provide providing the justice. you know people who people can provide their own justice people and groups and communes and. togetherness you know if you want to be part of society there's no requirement to be part of society other than participating and if you want to participate then

you need to work and you need to abide by the rules that we as a whole agree on hey we can't go murdering each other we can't go taking from each other but look at crimes deseret over ninety percent of crimes are economically related anyway so imagine a society where you take out over ninety percent of the crimes or the. crimes that i can live with you know have and you know make some alterations or changes in order to live with other people knowing that most of the crime has been taken away and we're living together you know what you call economic crises crimes. in prehistoric times would be like. crimes for survival you know fight for survival they don't have money then but they were fighting for food or to survive so the human nature hasn't changed you can take the economic crisis that way but for someone to actually be self-governed it would take

a lot of discipline and responsibility and do you really believe that human beings are ready for that i mean you actually have an example a historic example where humans were able to govern themselves without a leader i mean the midwest native americans you know they had chiefs but there was no written law there was no like government there was no it was they had these rules that they decided among some selves but there were really unset immigrant rules and to live in that society you for all those rules and the. shame you would feel by disrespecting one of the rules or someone else society was enough to to govern the own people right now you talked about prehistoric times the most important social incident. i have is like working together because if you you know try to take me for yourself or work hard so say hey i'm going to take this and i'm going to go do my own thing forget about you guys you're going to die in

a day or two because you needed people in the group to watch out for other animals or other people or you know help you and you could do it on your own so that cohesiveness that socialism so to speak i think is a stronger instate than the individual you know greed that. socially said leaders are all i'm saying is that it does seem a bit utopian taking our times of technology and internet and the amount of opportunities and options that human beings are being offered that they would actually go back like the indians and self govern themselves without actually because each individual wants something more or something different so it would be so much more harder for people to so govern themselves see that's what i think we were so you know we go back to that quote we were talking about earlier is. you know show these people that we need that they need us you know there was a quote from v. for vendetta you know when the leader was everyone's kind of going crazy and he

said show you know so they you know. all the news all this crisis and all this stuff that you need government otherwise the world's going to go crazy but we do we do all the work we build the roads we teach our children we are we work in the hospitals we do all the physical labor they just sit there and say do this to this as they collect the money or work with the banks charge an essential keep it it's and that. we do govern ourselves and a sense we do all the work and we just are led to believe that we need them in order to survive but really if they disappear. to be some change of management but you have to change the economic climate of course or poor and. capitalistic world where. you know we're fighting for each other for the basics of of life of course there's going to be going to need some you know one look you know we're saying you need to do this you need to do this but if you take away capitalism and there's

going to be more freedom for people right now i don't think freedom is working forty fifty sixty hours a week trying to make ends meet try to pay off the bank try to pay a loan try and like survive i think freedom is because you're working for someone else i think your freedom is choosing what you want to do for your life work in this job having free time with your kids having free time for yourself i'm lucky in what i do i get i get more free time and i get to fight and i get to spend time with my family but i'm still working for somebody and i know this you know the record profit off me and and i feel you know i just feel for those people that are really in about situation time for sure breakdown about when we return what. class fighter and activist what it takes to challenge global corporation.

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welcome back to the show we're here with jeff monson and i'm a fighter and self-proclaimed anarchy is good to have you back right so you're saying he don't like what you're saying that governments are actually governed by corporations but that's a conspiracy theory itself no i really don't believe so because the banks really own the united states the federal reserve is a misnomer because as nothing to do with federal institution or private banks owned by the lead individuals who loan money to the united states. for all the federal spending that we do and we have to pay that back their citizens have to pay all that money back with interest so. if you took all that american money and put it in a big warehouse it would only account for about four or five percent of all of the

american money that exists because if they loan a billion dollars to the government then that has to be paid back with interest but where does the interest come from it doesn't exist it's just a theory. wasn't it always like that it's not like something actually happened overnight i mean it was only a couple of centuries ago obviously governments were financed by rich people that would make two hundred thirteen. after a lot of bank foreclosures or bank closures and a lot of economic crisis united states. the federal reserve was to was was formed and the united states has been a. prisoner never science and we will always be in debt there's no way if we paid back everything we owe with all the money all our resources that we. ninety five ninety six percent oh and what we still right now in that wall is be that way unless we change the system you know talking about dads the fear of what will happen to the us debt actually holds countries they're on the world hostage because

they're so have really dependent on us currency on u.s. dollar do you think there could be some sort of opposition to that to the debt ceiling i mean race all the time. of course what happens united states with you know on wall street or with our corporations affects the world economy. or vibrates worldwide you know something happens in united states but it's really controlled by the corporations and banks and what can other countries do about that can they resist the debt ceiling the because they're united said i guess the united states is them part we have some trade or some tariffs don't pawn them or some sort of you are your corporations are going into their countries and or vice versa you know exchange you know we have increased change of you know economic ideals and nothing you know until the system is changed because you're always going to be conflicts you know people talk about the rise and fall of you know. how the money currency is

going or you know there can work in a recession now now rather recession it's just it's something that everything will be under control we just got to ride the wave it will never wave will never be smooth under capitalism and people do to realize this you know about the change of systems and you know i guess in a way of beating the corporations but you are mentally fatter you out of all people you know what it takes to defeat someone so you need to be equally strong so if corporations are own if governments are owned by corporations obviously the governments can't defeat the corporations so who can who could stand up to corporations or the government is in with the corporations so they definitely don't want to overcome that who can. actually. it would take an enormous amount of education and the internet as i should been fantastic in this way look at some of the situations had like in libya and egypt that was really made possible by the

internet and people being on their cellphones actually and even wall street and so people are becoming more knowledgeable and they're realizing that they connect with other people so a businessman from manhattan is realizing you know what i have something in common with this farmer from kansas and they can come back to and see which others you know their social contacts but it would take an enormous amount of education as i say and and the people the people could shut this down in one day if there was a general strike would general strike the corporations and banks would be at the mercy of the people the ninety nine point nine percent of people who do all the labor that could ever happen that would take i said enormous amount effort and do that without happen in my lifetime. you know i can only hope but that's why i like you know we're talking now and so are educated talking about education and internet access i had

a guest recently and he actually said that american nation is the best interchange nation but the least educated the least informed nevertheless why is that is because of the media are just people can't be bothered and they're too lazy to know more well i think they may work for this government a very good point but they go hand in hand when your inner tain by watching you know. you don't go to this is well i'm watching a football game on t.v. that i'm learning about my own situation you know why am i can't pay the rent this month or harkening the store we're fighting for some injustice you know we have all these t.v. reality shows and what the court actions are doing you know crazy this crazy that you know we're entertained but it keeps is a lot. that not only does the media like that the government likes that the banks like that because it's hard to protest would you don't realize what's going on and when you're kind of happy just watching your show it in the united relax and the litter read out your quote you know quote from twitter which all right and often

empower those so exploit subjugate coerce oppress and slave us yet look upon those asking for a handout in disdain every thought about human nature why is that that we are that way. i think again that's the media that's the culture we have when we see someone on the side of the street asking for you know a dollar or something you know to get by or to get a you know piece of bread or something like that i would like me to think well they haven't they're not working or they're not dreaming of an american culture in particular because i don't think every country around the mark i think this is american culture specifically. that we were talking about you know the american dream if you work hard enough for america you can be the president you can be a superstar you can own a company you just have to work hard enough if you don't. then you're on the side of for bread and people to look at you and turn away but if you work hard enough

then you can have these things but that that's not true you know they did a recent study on industrialized countries and united states was number sixteen in social mobility so the american dream that if you just fight for what you want and work hard enough that you can achieve it that's not true if you grew up in the inner city and don't have the resources or can't get the education so when you grow up you're not prepared for the world you're at a disadvantage so you don't matter hard you work if you don't have these tools and help growing up you're never going to be able to achieve what you want now here because of your profession your travel travel around the world have you noticed how america's image has changed throughout maybe two or three years in the past in light of syria. lead of libya in light of n.s.a. leaks have you noticed a shift in this image you know i think we had under bush we were kind of hurt for the certainly we had a really bad view in the world and now it's i think that view softened

a little bit and people i think generally think united states is kind of bloated and lazy and and trying to get what we want and then our chairman you know couple the world syria and and the same leaks they've really happened under obama yeah i think people are like obama arctic more they think we're like spying on the world but we're not as even though it's not true as motorists or care and cutthroat is as we once were under bush you know invading this country i think we're. about bush said we're going to be due to the that's right thing to do and god you know help us do the right thing and we're given do it would you like it or not and under obama it's more going to spy on some drones here make some more accidental killing sorry about that could actually see the reaction around bush because i mean a lot of people dislike him but when he said we have to invade he had no doubt on

his face that was like ok but still is that what president obama is like we have to see here he did have doubts on his face soon enough like you have britain who backs out first and then everyone else is like no i think we shouldn't do it so you could just raise that doubt on his face as he was saying that america should bomb syria i actually think obama has less support among leaders as you're kind of referring to . the who are you know allies. and i think obama is less support than bush did because of those reasons but you know support among the mass of the people i think . obama doesn't have any more support or less support among them i think is different or seen maybe some weaknesses and. or well kind of a dictatorship or would want to call it but in the leadership that he's showing they're seeing them now i know that you love russia a lot and i wonder why because you know russia as great as it is and i live in this

country has its own bunch of dolphins with. whole scores of issues but you love it so much that i always had a fascination with russia and the people and you know this is this is where the first social modern social revolution in the world took place in one nine hundred seventeen when people even marx didn't predict it was going to be in russia you thought it was going to backward russia how could it happen there was going to be in europe you know industrial countries so it was it was a great event and there's a god a lot of great anarchists. that have come from russia the love question because of the great anarchists. but people here have treated me very well and you know when you have grown men coming off the street men and how can you write like you can feel the emotion is that why you want to be a russian citizen so no you're in a process of getting arrested and. that's that's some of it and i'm not proud to be

i don't think you're a citizen of a country because just because you're born there i was born in united states there's no doubt but i don't feel that it does my whole about someone my heart is were i don't believe in do you not love your country. i mean what is a country a country is a piece of land and people there's definitely people the united states i love but i think there's a lot of great people there but i don't hear by the government or the ministration or the imperialism at all and are ashamed to say you know i you know when i travel i call i mean ited states citizen because i have so many connotations i go along with that and don't agree with. you know the what our governments do and so no i'm not proud to be united states of it was great to have me on this program thank you very much for this interview that's all for now folks our guest was mixed martial arts fighter jet for months and now saving exhibition.

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