it was your group was. coming up on r t did mo detainees as double agents under a secretive program called penny lane the cia mia deal with the detainees to infiltrate terror groups a full breakdown on the week's program. and transferring drones to the d o d president obama promised to get control of the u.s. drone program to the defense department but the cia is still running the show so why is the transition being delayed we'll tell you more coming up and hollywood dollar signs that's what president obama is eyeing as he seeks out rich donors for twenty fourteen democrats but some people are protesting his trip to stay tuned for a full hollywood report later in the show.

it's tuesday november twenty sixth four pm in washington d.c. i'm lynn neary david and you are watching our t.v. and we begin today with a new report out by the associated press that exposes a secret of program once of people employed by the cia at guantanamo bay the initiative was called penny lane and it referred to a special detention facility that had one focus to turn al qaeda connected detainees into double agents after vigorous training in a special facility those chosen detainees were sent back to their home countries and told to infiltrate terrorist groups in order to help the u.s. capture and kill al qaeda operatives of course this was risky considering that these prisoners could remake on their deal with the u.s. and instead turn to kill americans but as the a.p. reports quote for the cia that was an acceptable risk for the american public which was never told the program was one. of the many secret tradeoffs the government

made on its behalf at the same time the government used the risk of terrorism to justify imprisoning people indefinitely it was releasing dangerous people from prison to work for the cia so here to give us a little more per fact on this i'm joined by colonel morris davis former chief prosecutor at guantanamo bay and currently a law professor at howard university colonel thank you so much for joining me first of all this is a pretty shocking report it seems it was all sort of based on anonymous sources did you know this was going on at all well i had heard rumors of the different programs of strawberry fields and then penny lane as well the time i came on board in september of two thousand and five these were you know already in the past so they really did keep this under wraps what was the process for vetting these detainees i mean how would the government have known that people weren't of detainees weren't lying about what their connections were just to centrally get out of get mail i

don't know what involved in those programs but i would assume like in many organized crime cases sometimes you got to make a deal with the devil to try to get someone further up the food chain i can take calls some consternation from my prosecutors because in some cases we are asking them to prosecute people for war crimes and they're saying wait you mean to prosecute the lieutenant at this level but we've let his colonel go which created this kind of paradox of guantanamo where if you were a big enough fish you potentially got a free ticket home and a wad of cash to take with you if you weren't you could potentially get prosecuted and if you're in that lower category the people who have been cleared you're still at guantanamo and the detention so the more guilty you are may have been better for your wound so it's like a two tiered justice system there will consider what we've seen happen in afghanistan in which you know u.s. troops and many cases have become the target of afghan soldiers who turned on them how risky was this program or. really and you know what does it say about the

lengths the u.s. was willing to go to at the time well it's impossible to tell without having access to those programs to be able to assess what the outcomes were you really can't tell but it is interesting because you hear that a certain percentage of the detainees that were released from from guantanamo were sort of this and that's one of the arguments for not releasing some of the people that are still there now who would be interesting to know how many of these people that were released from guantanamo that we count as being recidivist because clearly they went back to their organizations because that's what we paid them to do are they counted as part of the resort of this group or not and if not it would identify who they were so i suspect they're counted in that number right right well the a.p. report says that you know al qaeda actually suspected that the cia might have to do something like this therefore they're always very wary of former get mo detainees so knowing that how successful could this program really have been i don't know

again i think it would depend on the individual and how successful they were in convincing the leadership that they were legitimate in proving their boat a few days when they got back to the organization but you know it's interesting you will get this information well it took this long to find out about what we know now so maybe in another five or ten years the gyno war right well one this program was taking place bush administration officials often you know villainize get more prisoners dick cheney called them quote the worst of a very bad lot rumsfeld said that they were quote among the most dangerous the best trained vicious killers on the face of the earth was not an accurate portrayal of everyone it clearly what it was a real disservice to the country and to our whole reputation you know as being a champion of the rule of law and there clearly are people like to lead shaikh mohammad or elena shiri there are people that really do qualify for that description but for every one of those or one hundred more that. were there you

know that the dupes it got picked up on the battlefield or sold for a bounty and wound up in guantanamo and unfortunately a majority of the men that are there now are people that have been cleared to be transferred out that our government said we have no reason to keep but year after year they sit there two and a half million dollars each per year just biding their time going tama that truly is a shame you know of course the only things that american americans heard at the time were the things that bush officials were telling them if this program had been exposed you know in two thousand and four two thousand and five when the program was going on do you think americans would have even cared i mean considering that that was their impression of getting detainees probably not i mean the it is hard to get americans interested in guantanamo regardless of the topic and i think the fact that the agency tried to flip some of the detainees to use that says i don't think would shock anyone here but again it creates that that odd paradox where if

you're guilty enough then you potentially get a free ticket home and if you're not then you could potentially spend the rest of your life sitting it going tom. one just simply obama did ask about this program when he came into office and two thousand and nine and he allegedly ordered a review of the double agents because they were providing information for the use of predator drones and such. what do you think his intentions were with that i mean do you think that it's at all possible that there could possibly be double agents helping to aid the drone program is certainly a possibility because our too often in this war on terror you've seeing people use you know play the u.s. as a pawn to get revenge or to settle a score with with someone else so we really don't know i mean i think there's a strong likelihood that some of the targets that were identified were probably identified people that you know did it for their own personal reasons and which segues nicely into your next story on the drone program that the cia continues to operate just as they operated penny lane at one tunnel and when you were you know

working at it with. were there other kinds of deals you know plea bargains i mean is this essentially the way things were run i mean is there certainly were i mean certainly in the time i was there we tried to cut deals with some of the detainees in order to gain their cooperation which is typical you know in any criminal prosecution you try to make deals with people in order to to work your way up up the chain of command. and what kinds of things were they promised return well by the time when i the time i resigned we'd never successfully concluded a negotiation we were just in the talking stage and so the last time i visited with some of the detainees at guantanamo was to find out what they would be interested in in return for their cooperation and then before i had a chance to go back you know i resigned so my understanding is and some of the subsequent cases for instance mudgee khan was one of the high value detainees who

has pled guilty but his sentence is being held in abeyance in order for him to cooperate intensely testify in some of the upcoming trials and assuming he does cooperate then he will get the benefit of his cooperation at his sentencing but we have to be determined. but if anything is cooperation at the instant things are certainly stalled over there we do appreciate you coming here and sharing your insight as always colonel morris davis former chief prosecutor at guantanamo bay and law professor at howard university thank you sir. and the u.s. is now threatening to pull out all troops from afghanistan by the end of two thousand and fourteen after an obstacle to an apparent deal between american and afghan delegates the pact which would allow for u.s. troops to remain in the country for ten years after the planned twenty fourteen withdrawal is now being held up by afghanistan president hamid karzai karzai is insistent that the pact instead be signed by his successor in april u.s.

national security adviser susan rice traveled to afghanistan over the weekend and met with karzai to speak about moving the pact forward according to the white house rice reiterated that without a prompt signature the u.s. would have no choice but to initiate planning for a post twenty fourteen future in which there would be no u.s. or nato troop presence in afghanistan but karzai is seemingly rejecting that threat instead outlining new conditions for signing the agreement the conditions included but were not limited to returning afghan citizens from the u.s. detention center at guantanamo bay. well it's now been over six months since president obama took to the podium at the national defense university and spoke about the need for more accountability and transparency for the u.s. drone program the very precision of drone strikes and the necessary secrecy often involved in such actions can end up shielding our government from the public

scrutiny that a troop deployment invites could also lead a president and his team to view drone strikes as a cure all for terrorism and for this reason i've insisted on strong oversight of all lethal action. after i took office my administration began briefing all strikes outside of iraq and afghanistan to be appropriate committees of congress it was around that same time that his administration leaked that one step he would take towards more accountability would be to shift the drone campaign from the jurisdiction of the cia to that of the defense department however fast forward six months later to today and the cia remains at the helm of drone operations for the topic about the stalled plan i was joined earlier by tony shaffer a senior fellow at the london center for policy research and the author of the book

operation dark dark heart i first asked him why this transition hasn't taken place i think there's two basic reasons first. member obstructions use a lighter relating to the n.s.a. programs balan's as well as the obamacare rollout earlier every this white house does not do well when all the people challengers so i think that those have been the priority. and as you look at the drone program it's so president obama did actually make very clear policy stick. or essentially outlined it we're going to tell. and i'm told right now very difficult to get any sort of approval any grounds this point. therefore i think this is not an earner you're right there are a couple other priorities in place but to talk about what kind of work is involved

in transferring operations from the cia to the defense department how difficult is that. it's difficult for two reasons there's something called the efficiencies act which basically says if you're given but money for a specific program it has stayed within the specific to our for example if you fundie abuse most state in your view not go to cia or vice versa so i think it is a program out of things have to be worked out that has that takes time as legal issues which have to go through legislation much of this will be had with an n.d.a. of. certainly a schematic a troll well below the i think is the most robust command of control c.i. did develop its own separate care i've been to the throne room at langley and there's a parallel system so what you have your two competing systems what you're about to be on for most for the most part collapsed into a single system so there's all sorts of oversight and ethical issues which actually worked out. not to say that it couldn't be done rapidly is a priority so i suspect the transition. of the two years i just don't see people

moving out rapidly yeah it seems like it's certainly a long term goal at this point but not going to happen anytime soon well the fact that the cia even has a drone program under its jurisdiction is a bit peculiar in itself to talk a little bit about what the role of the cia has been historically and what it said to really in the last decade after nine eleven under the clinton white house e.o. twelve circle three executive orders local three restricted heavily the use of any lethal method towards any world leader any leader role there's been well documented evidence that been lost because of the. drone before nine eleven president clinton's side not to do that so with that said since then some sign eleven there's been expansion of use of these what they call signature strikes which are specially fascinations this developed under the bush white house must continue and expanded under the obama white house past five years so this is what the drone program became and it was really managed on cia more than the both participated but both

had very different role. again for those of you have read my book operation dark heart i outlined legal process that we managed as part of the of the in afghanistan back in two thousand and three two thousand and four therefore again because these these programs are compatible as say cia and the of the they did similar things there's still a number of issues with relate to what is the proper authority for someone to be assassinated and this is where john brennan came in during his time in the white house they were actually now doing essentially an assassination list from the white house which is really been something i think they've been trying to step away from but it is not that not entirely a lemonade. right and left let's just say that the program does transition over you know let's fast forward two years when the cia completely relinquished his role or should we expect that the agency would still contribute to the targeted killing erotically my understanding is c.i. would go back to it was originally which was essentially espionage and

reconnaissance non-lethal methodology the o.d.t. isn't the you know are there but of course part of the fence job is to to kill people and break things that's part of what their job is i think they are better at it and have a better oversight system or conducting it in overseeing it and c.i. frankly had did not have the proper oversight necessary to actually fix the problem of the program and i think that's where we have a problem john brennan's list in the white house so i think under d.o.d.'s. auspices i think would be better run better overseas and frankly more tied to a larger strategy of all to deal with all kind of globally and simply having cia take shots location right well let's talk a little bit about the role of john brennan as he's advised the president obviously then he became the director of the cia how did that dynamic really play into all of this do you think that this has anything to do with why we're seeing such a slow transition absolutely i don't believe for

a minute the john brennan isis or what he thought about pushing the program over to . to the proper oversight this is a power play this is the power to ask one of the main tools of the war on terror and the by the white house has been the drone program there for an outdoor brunch over at cia i don't see an easily giving up this power as you know being in washington all about our christy sure so therefore i think there's going to be a great deal of it was actually give it up even though i do believe you're thinking of giving it up yes probably the right way to go right and speaking of that sort of power struggle do you think that people at the cia could be interpreted the potential transition of an insult in some way to their performance or a loss and the turf war with the pentagon absolutely there's no doubt about that was that said there's been a cost of battle between cia and the services if you will since nine hundred forty seven the national security act of nine hundred forty seven which brig and then had

separate departments a year be let's be very clear here of the pardon the french have similar to the levies and capacity as cia the dia the capacity of the of the case officer i was the a case officer we did what we did for b.o.b.'s purposes or fighting c.i. does it for their purposes what they considered to be supporting the policy maker in the white house so with that said when you have inherently similar capabilities focused on different issues there's always competition i think there's quite a competition here and there will there will remain competition and show that the program is one that has all been aware and eight it seems like they both seemingly cover the same terrain morning morning these days but i want to quickly turn to another recent news item that is the vatican's representative asked the u.n. has now weighed in on the debate over drones and a letter written to the u.n. he expressed a number of concerns including its violation of international law and right to liberation of drone technology so how effective do you think this condemnation could be in challenging the current policies. well first off they're completely

correct on the me gallop our good friend responds off about this extensively constitutional lawyer and his concern obviously is if we can do it to someone else especially they're going to do it to us never have all this technology is not going to need united states therefore what are we going to do say for example china starts throwing us at this country we don't you know that we don't have control it's a slippery slope so i think this is great. wisdom there to talk about how we need to resolve this legally and yes we have to be careful about this coming back on a second with a moral issue any time you kill innocent civilians and let me be clear on the drone program is not a surgical weapon we've documented dozens if not thousands of innocent civilians being killed by those there or i'm against the over use of drones mussing i'm not against the use of drones i'm against the cost of continuous use of drones the primary means to terrorists because we kill innocents and by that killing innocents we create the next generation sharers the bad guys completely correctable so this

is where i think we have to look both legality and the morality of the use of drone program to the level that the obama administration did i must say not using them for years and months saying we have to be restrained and always if not there be secondary consequences for actions and then there's obviously the other issue of drone proliferation in other countries following suit and we had kind of how this first test flight for a stealth drone and countries all over the world are investing in drawn programs right now do you expect that condemnation over the u.s. drone program will die down if other countries proliferate their own u a v's. i think it will get worse i think the whole thing is a pandora's box about to come open again and if this is a technology issue which we have to consider carefully what we do today may be done to us tomorrow so i think as we expand this nato is going to be educating this russia is developing there is china there i predict within the next five years and grow more well something we have to get our arms. well thank you so much for that

great insight tony shaffer author of operation dark heart and senior fellow at the london center for policy research thank you. and still ahead here on our t.v. the nation's commander in chief is now in fundraiser mode these past few days but protesters on the west coast have also gathered during his trip to california voicing their concerns over that p.p.p. trade deal more on that after the break. i got a quote for you. it's pretty tough. to stay with that story. because this guy like it should be here that john stead of working for the people most issues the mainstream media are pretty much on the right station but. they did rather well.

i would rather as questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question more. before sitting down for thanksgiving dinner with his family president obama is sharing a table with some very rich donors in california he has raised millions in the last couple of days for congressional democrats but during his west coast trip obama has also been met by vocal protesters who are demanding

a stop to the transpacific partnership artie's or mongol endo has the story as an obama has spent the last couple of days on a west coast vaughn raising spree wealthy donors have paid more than sixteen thousand dollars each to attend an event here in luxurious beverly hills well the president elbows with hollywood elites outside demonstrators are rallying against the trans-pacific partnership five eighty. eight the obama administration was to have a deal in place by the end of the year for critics to do real his plans so i'm here today to tell you that the t.p. is copyright provisions has a huge threat to the internet and your digital rights we are here as citizens doing the things that american citizens do and that clearly healthy rambunctious wink when something is outrageous and anti-democratic and that is that we say hello hello. protesters here call the to keep your corporate handout which would be

detrimental to the environment and internet freedom prison obama says the t.p. will boost the economy live trade barriers the twelve nations and go sheet in the trans-pacific partnership make up forty percent of all world trade we're talking about six hundred corporations for over three years that really go shoot this trade deal. in the dark. and without the knowledge of congressmen like politicians or the public at large and then vester chapter. gives rights to corporations to sue countries over any regulation that seems to cut into its future expected profits so we've already seen cases where a farmer. cynical company has sued canada over a medicine patent on many countries in south america have been sued by all could well companies and mining companies over these sorts of could under this investor state could land and on as yet and you have found a really worrying that those sorts of provisions can be also used to undermine

distal rights it's not just the protesters here sounding the alarm about d.p.p. members of congress have voiced concerns that the obama administration is trying to fast track the deal without any sort of debate on capitol hill the united states trade representative says that significant progress was made last week during negotiations in utah the next round of meetings will be held next month in singapore reporting in beverly hills california. r.t. . and we're now learning that a european emergency contraceptive pill will come with a new warning in two thousand and fourteen the warning is that the pill may not be effective for women over a certain weight and the same could be true for the american version of that drug which we know here as plan b. according to research from french manufacturer h r a pharma a woman's weight has a clear and pact on how well the drug works to prevent pregnancy scientists discovered that the contraceptive pill nor levo had

a complete absence of effect of newness in a woman weighing more than one hundred seventy six pounds but they also found that the drug began to lose its effectiveness at a weight an even lower weight of one hundred sixty five pounds but this is where it becomes problematic for americans according to the c.d.c. the weight of an average american female is one hundred sixty six pounds meaning the average american female is too heavy to be using these pills effectively yet more and more women rely on them to prevent an unwanted pregnancy and in fact of february c.d.c. survey found that five point eight million american women used emergency contraceptive pills from two thousand and six to two thousand and ten plan b. and its generic versions have the same dosage and chemical makeup as its european counterpart and it's important to note that plan b. costs an average of forty eight dollars and is the only morning after pill that is available to women of all ages without a prescription the food and drug administration says it is aware of the evidence

and it's reportedly evaluating it but now of course some are calling on the f.d.a. to issue warning labels much like the ones that will be issued next year for the drug's european counterparts. and new scientific research so shows that mushrooms can change the weather and no we're not hallucinating mushrooms have long been thought to be passive seed spreaders by researchers at u.c.l.a. and trinity college wondered how the fungus i were able to disperse their spores without wind and as it turns out mushrooms don't need mother nature's when because they can create their own oyster and shit talking mushrooms release water vapor cooling the air around them that difference in ten temperature creates a current which turns into when that helps the spores create new mushrooms so there you go if you happen to put mushrooms in turkey stuffing this year you have a new story to tell and that does it for now i'm a married david stay tuned boom bust is next.

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