absolutely right that food distribution is a huge issue and we do right now this year in two thousand and thirteen produce enough food to feed everyone sustainably and nutritiously and the question is how do you get it there and you are absolutely right that about a third of the food is lost post-harvest lost and then food that is thrown away. not all consumed and this is a problem and that's why the world food prize was created by dr norman borlaug to find the breakthrough achievements that will deal with all of all of those issues and the at the ambassador queen i think the defo cars that you are going to say shame is that making is more on our culture and sustainable production of rather than distribution and sustainable management don't you think that it would be wise to shift the focus

a few organizations and the overall food availability debate not so much on production and advances in technology but rather on the distribution well our organization takes great pride in dealing with all of the issues across the entire food chain and sustainability is absolutely a very top priority and the agro ecological breakthroughs that can help small poor farmers in particular deal with issues have been rewarded with with our prize our founder norman borlaug the nobel peace prize laureate put it this way we have to produce more food. to feed our ever growing population and there's only two ways to do it one is you grow more food on the land available or the other is that you cut down what remains of the forests and the.

forests and an area that's difficult and you try to bring everything into production and besser quinn but it's been almost thirty years if i'm not mistaken since norman borlaug sad that and since that our relationship with food has changed a great deal i know that you have a very long professional ties to asia you served as the years have bastards you come border you've worked in vietnam and i think asia is a very very typical example of how. relationship to food has changed it used to be hunger that's was the main issue the main problem in asia and while it hasn't been fully eradicated it is now a challenge by a business again it's not so much about how much food you produce but rather about the quality of food as you said and who gets that food that's that's right and with the growing urban population and you look look a. perfect example of these mushroom ing cities as people

leave the land and come into the cities and how are we going to ensure that in these big urban populations that people have enough food so there have to be innovations in things like vertical farming gardens sustainable production micro irrigation all of the elements so that we can be producing food in many different places and we not only give a prize but we hold a conference a three day conference called the boer log dialogue people at the world bank say it's probably the premier conference in the world on global agriculture and basses are going the organization that you represent a world with prize has been criticized for its rather close relationship with agribusiness companies and there's nothing inherently wrong with those companies we all benefit from the operations up until a certain point and that point comes when they try to sell us more food. that we

actually need if we actually can consume and as we just pointed out in the united states americans throw away between a third the maybe even a half of that food according to the natural resources defense council just a fifteen percent reduction in the u.s. food waste could save enough to feed twenty five million people so again. don't you think that some of the companies that you have a war that for innovation are not doing enough on may be overusing over exploiting consumers and putting their focus north where it should be well the first of all let me make absolutely clear we do not give our prize to companies organizations universities we only give it to individual persons one of the winners this year works monsanto and so certainly we receive a lot of people who criticize us and said how could you give the prize to somebody

who works at monsanto we don't like monsanto's business practices or something but we are not recognising any company's business practices and just for the sake of our viewers i want to mention that months on to did make a substantial contribution to the world food prize in the past but before we go there let me well a little bit on the united states and i think the biggest problem in your country is not so much availability of food but it's quality the quality that some people would argue has significantly decreased because of all the vance's in technology which the world food prices to promote and what some would say is that we really need to simplify our relationship with what we need to go back to this real thanksgiving spirit where people were grateful for the harvest that they got and knew how to limit the appetites how would you respond to criticisms

like that we were one of the very first. organizations to bring attention to the issue of obesity. in america and in the world and we more than a decade ago we were holding our seminar in our symposium on obesity and malnutrition and you have some countries where both of these exist and they become very big problems so i agree absolutely with the quality of how people eat the proper diet nutrition these need very very much to be to be highlighted ambassador quinn i would like to go back to the issue of a busy day that you just mentioned and it's been scientifically established that there is a link between. hunger animal nourishment on the one hand and have basically on the other hand populations and people individuals who suffered from famine all

malnourishment for sustained periods of times much more likely to develop a busy city once deferred becomes available especially the food rich and carbohydrates isn't it the case that increasing availability of food is also directly contributing to this new problem that we have on our hands which is a busy city and all their ailments associated with it well you know the problem was that the people who were dealing with malnutrition weren't necessarily the same ones who were dealing with the food issues or food production and they didn't tend to come together and we were one of the very first to bring in the medical doctors from harvard medical school from the centers for disease control and have them meet with representatives from the u.n. nutrition council and you know i was i worked in villages in the one nine hundred

sixty s. as the nine the green revolution was just beginning and i saw what would happen in villages winds. new farmers had these new seeds were. produced in a traditional way and suddenly they could get two crops a year instead of one and they could get it in a shorter time frame they had more money they were able to buy more additional food more nutritious food for them besser quinn i wonder if these references to the past and you mentioned that you saw that happening back in the sixty's obviously a lot of. time has passed since then and again the the food production situation and our relationship with the food has changed and you have this focus on increasing food production stayed the same in fact this this theme of feeding the hungry is one of the most popular scenes among politicians they've been you know repeating it over and over again for many many decades and they have the issue of

menorahs shm and still remains extremely pressing public health issues so my question she is whether you believe that. this focus on feeding the hungry while certainly having some humanitarian and emotional appeal is a bit outdated maybe a bit populist and i would even add a bit misleading because it does not represent the real problem that the world faces today which is not so much their veil ability of any sort of food but rather their vell ability of high quality food i would disagree with that point i believe that the way we are able to bring people together across great differences whether they're political differences diplomatic ethnic religious racial the way i see the people will come together is when they believe they're coming together to

alleviate human suffering to help people who don't have enough have sufficient food and gas or quit we have to. take a short break now why did he come back did world foot prized a lot of heat earlier this year for celebrating the advances in genetically engineered crops including those produced by months wasn't that a betrayal of the very principles the world with prize set out to promote well that's coming up in a few moments on while the part. in the in the iraq and afghanistan war it was much easier to use a weapon and you always work with a ground crew. be following a convoy came under attack i would work directly with the ground controller he would tell us where he needs help he would say look up that arroyo we're taking

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welcome back to worlds apart of discussing the politics of food to be the president of the wild what price cannot quints ambassador quinn it's hard to find another company that has a more profitable business model and yet more challenging public relations down. when he decided to award your prized human scientists chief technology officer roberto fraley as well as two other scientists dealing with g.m. most i'm sure you understood that you would inherit some of those p.r. problems oh absolutely i knew they would be coming i should make it clear i have no voice and no despite of the decision as to who is selected to receive our prize we have a selection committee that is chaired by the most revered agricultural scientist in

india dr m.s. warming up than perhaps the most revered agricultural scientists. in the world. and and other international members it represents various continents and they look at all of those who are nominated they make the decision and it was determined by our selection committee that all three had done separately this breakthrough is a brilliant scientific achievement to to understand how plants work and to be able to reach inside them to their to their d.n.a. but still if you could help us understand the rationale of all of this decision i know and you mentioned several times earlier that the world for the price was created by norman borlaug the fellow iowan like yourself the father of the green revolution somebody who is credited with saving more lives than any are their

person and what was particularly striking about the border lock was that he was very open about sharing his knowledge and sharing it he's expertise with whoever needed it and yet the business model that and many other g.m.o. companies have adopted is the exact opposite they're all about locking farmers into dependence they're all about hooping them on their products so that lets the number of very prominent scientists to claim that by aborting the prize to months on to executive they won't foot prize betrayed the very principles that it was founded on how would you respond to that sure and you know i may not make any of the decisions but i get all the heat and i get the criticism and appropriately so. from the first time that i came to the world. we have as an organization and

with dr borlaug in the leaders long as he was alive advocated for increased public funding and. research we believe there should be the maximum amount of public research so that the cheap mints will be out in the in the open and can be shared and accessed and you are correct though that the the model whether it's in food or areas of pharmaceuticals know what happens is that there's huge amounts of research and investment so our three winners spend years and years and years in the laboratory some of it was provided by universities some by companies but it takes an enormous amount of input so somehow any institution whether it's a university or a business that is going to do this research has to somehow make the money back.

about it so finding the right balance between those things is a real issue you just mentioned that it takes a lot of input but it also produces huge profits and. you know months santa is the company that controls roughly ninety percent of the you united states soybean crop they control about ninety five percent of cotton seeds in india so if you don't mind me saying even in the soviet union such enormous enormous power such an enormous market share would have been deemed dangerous so those scientists that you quite are rightfully are celebrated they may have done a great thing for science but they also added up benefiting companies whose business model is not benefiting the world that's the problem yes so we don't award the prize for business models i said we do it for innovations for breakthrough

achievements and what we do is then put on a three day conference and we invite people from all of different viewpoints to come. and to talk about this so they can discuss the business model one of the members of our council of advisors or gordon conway was in the middle of this because it was very controversial about ten or twelve years ago about exactly some of the issues that you're mentioning in regard to monsanto but the most important thing to have if you've got businesses is to have competition and to have other companies that also have other business models so that farmers can choose having a number of different things that farmers can choose different products that farmers can choose is probably a significant way of dealing with those kind of issues plus there's also government regulation and an approval process that needs to be taken into account so

i talk to people from all of these companies including months and i think you know they are certainly aware of that. of those issues and the but it's up to them to address their own business model it's not for the world food prize to withhold something with it's been earned an achievement that can enhance the quality and quantity of food because somebody works for a particular company but certainly i'm i'm well aware i received forty five hundred emails in one day people critical of that i'm well aware of the criticism if i can push a little bit further i know that in you i know i'm on board a lot personally and you spoke very highly about him and don't you see a problem when. the legacy of these great individual somebody who was

a great humanitarian they can somebody whose whole life philosophy was about spreading and sharing his legacy is now. now being used and some would argue exploited by these companies who claim to be operating on his legacy and carrying on that what he has started because he himself very strongly believes the end buyer biotechnology as a way of reducing hunger but they are now using that legacy and yet. doing something that is exactly opposite to what he has himself tried to promote there around the world isn't there a contradiction and a very significant asacol contradiction here it's an important question and one i'm i'm anxious to respond to because i did spend a lot of time with dr borlaug i felt so privileged to have had a decade with him and he knew these three individuals who received our prize

and he knew the companies and institutions they were associated with and. retain his mental acuity right up until the end and i can tell you that he was critical of the selection committee for being slow in recognizing biotechnology and i can tell you with absolute certainty that he believed these were the three individuals who should receive the world food prize for what they had done i believe biotechnology. was a process that has occurred in nature over thousands of years and it should be accepted and embraced in order to alleviate suffering and so i. wouldn't agree with that now ambassador quinn i know that the united states has fully embraced g m o crofts but in many european countries including russia

government still refuse to approve the planting and importation of genetically modified crops since the. oh revolution is so young do you think humanity as a whole would benefit from living some parts of the world g.m.o. free just to play on the safe side because we we still don't know all the implications and possible consequences of using these new technology and i want to hear what the scientists say because i think that's we should be guided by the science but whether to leave some areas you know g.m.o. free or so. i agree very much that it's critically important to protect the biodiversity and we don't want to have just one crop with one genetic strain we need to maintain all of that biodiversity that's terribly terribly important and as we do that but here's what i think is the bottom line

with the increased climate volatility but do you want to argue climate change or not no one can deny there is great climate volatility there's drought there floods there are rising seas and salt water intrusion and what's going to happen is that the poorest farmers the small holders and probably the majority of them women farmers in the poorest places on earth are going to be impacted the most if through biotechnology through research through genetic modification we can give those small holder farmers the opportunity to be able to deal with and survive all of those challenges that i believe they should have all of the tools this has already been attempted and that for example if we take india india is the country

where genetically modified crops are very widely spread more than two hundred thousand. indian farmers to get the lives because they cannot afford to continue producing crops and being involved in a group culture of. the biotech companies are offering to them so i think that these two arguments that you have just laid out one for the availability of crops and the diversity of crops and the use the increased use of biotechnology are at odds they come into direct conflict the you know the stories of. farmers. are heartbreaking and if you like i have worked among very poor farmers and you see how they have to struggle i mean it's struggling for survival every year and to hear and read about those stories because i got an expert on

india but to read those stories they they're just so devastating. so i have asked a number of experts about this and what i what i'm told and again i'm not. a student of all of this but i've seen the reports i've read those i've asked others is that when you look at the pattern of suicides is that there was a significant rate the predated any of the introduction of the genetically modified crops that you made reference to and whether the cause what the causes are or whether they have spiked during that time i'm told by people i've got to ask about is a question that doesn't seem to be as cut and dried or clear as you were making it well i'm besser queen i wonder if the people you ask work for months found them

surely they would claim that no no i asked respected scientists so. of course you don't go and ask people from a particular company but anyway this is a very complicated complicated issue and i think the jury's still out there on that whether i know those suicides were cost addressed exclusively by d.m.o. crabs but it is clear that their rate of suicides has increased since ninety in ninety five so it's it is a fairly recent phenomenon but i would like to ask you what do you think is the next possible then you for agriculture to go what do you thing is something that you may honor with your prize in the years to come where. well. i i'd like to think that there would be ways that we'd see again that people make the use of water water's going to be the most scarce resource on our planet anything that can be done that can deal with how water can be extended and you know a little bit of

a used to produce a lot and the second is how can we hold the agricultural issues to the information technology revolution that's going on the explosion of things that are happening in terms of computing power how do we link all of that people are led were lending things on mars and where you know the quadrupling and quintupling the computing power and able to reach now into villages how can that be linked to increased food security for people and that's their current unfortunately we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your time and can tap and to our viewers think you'll like this show please join us again same place same time here on well the part.

do you think humanity as a whole would ban affairs from leaving some parts of the wall g.m.o. free just to play on the safe side through biotechnology research through genetic modification we can give those small holder farmers the opportunity to be able to deal with and survive all of those challenges and i believe they should have all of the tools. the system plays that has been consecrated to god for almost a thousand of years people dream here twenty years ago it's already established

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