on larry king now the improv. the world renowned spiritual teacher and his son on deep rocks latest book god in the east today is dismantling the idea although the human being some dead weight made in the sky i mean nobody believes in god any more on dobbs revealing documentary about his father i think that humanizing of him will hopefully make his message that much more careful plus did you grow up inside of a fence. that's next on larry king now. going to another edition of larry king now tonight deepak job for the new york times best

selling author considered to be one of the manston teaches of eastern philosophy in the western world also found of the chill percent of full well being his newest book is god a story of revelation it's an exploration of the evolution of god is a novel and drop them chokers with a deep dark son the author and filmmaker his new film a documentary about his dad called decoding the box which is playing in select theaters around the country it's also available on demand for talk about the book how did you come to do this for. why for years i've been watching him on your show and this image of him out there to the world versus the guy sort of thought i knew i wanted to reconcile those two things i've been fascinated by that you follow them around follow them around for a year most much to his occasional frustration but it was eyeopening and as much as i think the movie is about him a kind of became about. me i'll get to that know well are you angry at him over

doing. great because he reveals that you don't remember things about you we have but that's normal and you're human we found out you know you in deep yeah but larry everybody is an actually if you hide behind a social must be a real. force about what you've done more than fifty books garder novels a story a revelation i want to give me the plot the plot began when i came across a story from nineteen thirty in the new york times and it was a meeting between interest in and the indian poetry loss for mystic rubin an article where i grew up with the thought of you know reading is pretty nineteenth early to meet in a place called potsdam. close to german in germany they are supposed to parse them conference correct so they meet and they have a discussion and you know this case is it is emerging the nazis merging this dog of

war and these two guys are dogging but the mystery of our existence and instead is known for a very famous quote i want to know how god thinks everything else is a detail so. to go or have a very interesting discussion we are instances the universe exists whether we are there or not and to go to objects to that he says the universe that we experience is an entirely human universe because lately we're going into a novel because it's actually what is called a historical fiction so the facts are all straight they are all absolutely except the dialogue right they don't act about god is there well known but the fact is that the universe has a source whatever you want to call it ok you can call it nothing you can call it god you can call it the unified field you can call it the womb. creation is the

source and that source is also the source of space energy information and matter this world that we experience. did you grow up inside the matrix teachings of you yeah i mean i think i'm the product of it it's but you know in my world and it's in the film really is there are no rigid laws i mean despite the fact that he's written all these books you know we didn't grow up with this sort of rigid idea of a way of life. we grew up around this sort of philosophy which early in my life was in some ways very hard to grasp and there are certain times still hard to grasp but i think that there's a few core principles i've taken away and that have had profound effect which is that thing he started out the mystery of the universe and to be perpetually surprised by are you believe really faith buddhism. flew unspoiled for it's

this book for example starts with a job in the old testament who's tested by god and we still ask ourselves the question why do good people suffer right then moves to socrates those who know if you don't go you know god then moves to sin pause who has this vision of christ the lady of the you know the loose you know a new christ and it goes leg that through rumi through some christian since ultimately ending up with science and the ministry of awareness see larry first is that you lewis but then there is us who are aware that is the universe if we didn't have that awareness than for all practical purposes there's no universe so that's a bigger mystery what is awareness where does it come from is our perception of the would do would be it really is you know if a mosquito was looking at you in a dolphin and the giraffe on an igloo did three different versions of you. so which

one is the real one you know perception is misleading as william blake said we are led to believe a lie when we see with not through the eye that was born in the night to perdition in the night those slept in beams of atheist and that faith is all peace to come in the east today is dismantling the idea. judge and also a human being some dead weight in the sky i mean nobody believes in god anymore but the fact is nobody should. do they do but you know the believing in the mythology but the fact is the big question is is this an accident and if this is an accident how come the accident created a nervous system that could no go back and look at the black holes of creation thirteen point eight billion years ago what do you think it is from what i think we

can actually do and no i think there is a grand design to it all i think you know it is a design that has to be designer but there it would be math my magically improbable for i mean if you look at the origins of the universe and statistically there has to be a reason why we're here and i'm a believer in that sense reeve never i've never grown up with faith necessarily i don't fall back on that i think that the law is that you don't pray to anyone you know i think that is a he says he said it before it's a cover up for insecurity if you have to sort of just give yourself over your belief system to something that doesn't align with modern cosmology and science as we know it then something wrong with the laws of nature are precise to the end decimal point if you know do a little different we wouldn't be here so the question that we have to ask is so precise. what their laws. why do they exist why are we ordering

them why we were lower our way to do with their knowing was who's who came up with the exactly we're talking about the book god and about dark times documentary decoding the part will get to a bit of that but more on the god questions the number one question that everyone ask one would think is what happens when we die and you can say you know because no one no see you we could do the same place we know where it is you're talking to people who are it is only part of god i'm inside intuition inspiration so that's the source of well being and when the transcend in meditation beyond what i call the subject object split go beyond the main in the field of silence that's the window to your soul which is the connection to the infinite mind so you basically incubate and then you recycle. how do you know that because everything

restate the matter is energy because information. is needed yeah but reincarnate in the sense that the core consciousness which is your memories and your design. would in eastern traditions because karma that exist as seed form you can have two identical twins you see they have different personalities where do those personalities come from who do you fear death i don't know but all know in fact there are in the thin gotham's move movie or into a monastery in violent just to confront death to meditate on my person dead and impermanence of life every day so i could be comfortable with that you come to the . five year old son i mean i am comfortable. i guess i'm attached you know in a way that he's not i'm attached to my five year old son you know and that he's not

attached to you it's in the movie he's not and i asked him that question and you know the script and them i love a lot but it's none of his business which means. in his loving me to. explain that. issues really love somebody you know to see them you could only love them if you're detached because when you're detached you do want a route to those you don't own but you do it too and you own your son the moment so very well when they're five you have very emotionally attached to my my son but that will end when he's twenty and twenty five some of the number you know i'm glad in a way i made this movie when i did because i think i have a different perspective at this stage of my life as a parent than i may have ten years ago when i wouldn't have been able to appreciate a lot of what my father is a complex his audience its connection to his audience that i do know you proud of

him very much why did you allow the film. thought he should do what he wants he wanted to do it but he's invading your privacy and he had let me follow you follow what you know you told me the methadone would you do. turn cameras on for almost a year i followed him to thailand i tell you on the annoying part i couldn't escape the camera you know one of the narrator you know i'm also in front of the camera a lot because i actually i discovered as i was making it you know what makes my father great in many ways as as a personality as a philosopher etc is that he doesn't have these dramatic arcs for the sake of the cinema that's terrible so i had to sort of put myself in front of the camera to have something to react off because a lot of people are talking about the you show him meditating but he also falls asleep and that is regarded as a weakness just wants to meditate you don't fall asleep you know my father's this expression mary says if i point to the moon worship the moon not the finger and you

know i think the fact that i have humanized him yes in this film i like to think it makes his message and the fact that he's still asking questions and as i'm listening to this conversation way i think you are a very spiritual person even though you think yourself to be your astonished. spiritual does the that is the most spiritual feeling we can have to be constantly astonished and surprised that we exist you know it's a highly statistically highly unlikely event why do we exist. and why do exists why do. they go low in the movie i take him to a place where we had records of what and services. how do you go back he said three hundred b.c.

before christ with miserable exactly the q. . we did some rough guide solutions to this very sobering moment for him in the movie because you know these are tens of millions of people who lived loved and died so we could have this conversation and one of them was missing one of them was not in the mood didn't have a gleam in the correct me would be here and where are they all now. they're all they were all on this earth. where your point i make in the book what is perceptually this what we see try to stay since well that's just a projection of a deeper he has you don't believe the statement perception is reality no perception is perceive it it's real to me if you perceive it it's actually a temporary experience what makes you perceive that which makes you perceive is who you are perception is that species specific experience could be cause physical reality the perception of a scooter that

a bad nematode is different so which one is real. the fact is the only thing that makes perception possible is a feeling let me try to explain that little bit if you don't mind let me take a break come right back i'll be right back don't go away we'll be back with the chalkboard. like way. i know c n n m s n b c news have taken some not so lightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate. that was funny but it's closer to the truth of my i think. it's because one whole attention in the mainstream media works side by side with joe actually i'm good.

at art. we have to put it right. because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not how. he got us into the jokes will handle the stuff that i'm. told. science technology innovation all the rest of elements from around russia we've got the future covered. did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy albums. in

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a single consciousness or spirit than man if this is these individual perceptual realities you are not the one who perceives your deal when this in which perception happens just like when i watch a television program with larry king. the picture is there but larry somewhere else so you know room integrates of people it is this is not the real reality in truth we are not here this is shadow jesus graces this is not in this world but not of it so our real identity is we are spiritual beings having a human experience. this is what the great day said so do not confuse yourself with your human experience you're a spiritual being having an impermanent. human excuse what was it like growing up with him. you know first of all my father was

a classic sort of immigrant i mean he came to this country with nothing and he built a life through a lot of hard work and before all this sort of celebrity philosophy stuff he was a practicing physician up until i was a teenager and i actually he you are a medical doctor i don't i have many messages that and california i don't have many memories because he was always you know working in extra shift at the emergency room and stuff like that it was only when i got to teens that all this other stuff started picking up and hey it was a circus in its own way everything we've talked about it but you know michael jackson came to my house to have dinner when i was fifteen years old and that's when i knew something crazy was happening have you ever been called upon later in life to usual medicine like help a person in distress you. know you all the time and actually still do it. you could set a bone broken bone you know well i could stitch up people i could do surgery he was removed it wasn't me he always had the sort of detached for loss of favorite talked

about and yeah i mean he wasn't the guy who learned how to play catch where there went to red sox games where got them says not having taken them to the red sox game he called the child abuse. and what do you call it do you have any regrets you think you should have taken him do so much of his mother was so good. way for has been such a. compensated for whatever it was like why didn't you want to take him to a game in the beginning by the way i was just working my tail off i used to get paid four dollars an hour in the emergency room two hundred two dollars every two weeks will miss the we could hardly pay the rent so those days. to go to school he went to a boy's school. to include klunker to me he went to columbia she went to brown it was expensive educations and it could be argued that taking meter at

stark's game then would qualify as child because. there was a need for you both agree that look and i think again i have. because of how hard my father worked we we bore the fruits of that labor and yeah i've gone to great schools league schools all of that do you think fans admirers of your father will have some disappointment members film i think that there's always going to be different response lucille floor and i think you will see but i think that humanizing of him will hopefully make his message that much more powerful but yeah i expect that some people who again worship their their image of him. these might have a common phenomenon we create images of people who are celebrities or in the public sooner or later the images differ and we get enraged at the person. we want

by and large people appreciate i mean so far just some of the informal screenings and festivals really good response and also because it's not just a movie about the park trope around celebrity and getting behind the curtain it's a it's about people it's about the questions we're asking and the things we're wondering about and it's also about fathers and sons and families and i think there's a very familiar element to the to the movie do you get distress do you have emotional pain. i get restless about the fact that. you go off the war of the terrorism the eco destruction the social injustice radical poverty those things bother me a lot worse than things actually don't bother me a friend is late to pick you up you don't get mad no move it's nothing it's such a minor thing i'm thinking about black holes and different dimensions of space and why would i worry for per person is late to pick me up it doesn't bother me at all

and if i miss of late i usually start to write a book or something that is not a candidate like for example mitt romney doesn't discuss his faith should he have to i don't think so i think we should keep the two separate on the other hand we should also nor would people think that a lot of people right know in our political right who don't believe in evolution who discount global warming discone a lot of science and i think that's distressing to me do you think to be you know i went to high school with josh romney one of. you know seduces yeah and i remember josh very fond they were phrases are going to. great guy so you know i think family's great i couldn't disagree more with their politics but yeah i think it's important to have a understanding of basic faith but i don't think it should complicate you know the

greater need for this country where we get a lot of people social media want to get out facebook jason depair assess if god were in this room when you had one question what would it be way create the universe. michael holmes as how do you reconcile faith and science why i don't recognize belief in science i think belief is a cover up for insecurity you only believe in things that you're not sure what but faith is the willingness to step into the unknown and that in fact is the basis of science well said gate on facebook i'd like to know where he believes spirits go after death if you believe something leaves your body i think the body leaves your spirit. the spirit is always there just like if this room was destroyed nothing would happen to the space but the room would lose its appearance so the spirit doesn't leave the body moves. making sense you know that the source of the source

never goes in the woods just stops they do say what happens to the movie when the television set is destroyed not prince it's still there. maggie simian on facebook wants to know if you believe karma is god's justice no karma is a good line of. coma is just because of our actions every action has a consequence in the few make choices says that our conscious and you create what is called good move has nothing to do with god only florrie's s. has got them have a challenge the parts beliefs of the every day. scenario jones among you know what you were talking about before which is you know how do we take this philosophy and really when the rubber hits the road what's happening in syria what's happening in this country tara conner me how do you take this great wisdom but make it relevant that's what i struggle with in the movie

a lot have struggled with it my whole life and so by the way to that is very simple was our problems all our problems come from the hallucination of the fragmented and separate mind if we really had the experience that there is only one mind and we are part of it because only one ocean and all do is a part of it then we would solve these problems through compassion love getting and justice bob wants to know what's the most important life lesson you've learned to take yourself too seriously i agree same thing for me yeah that's a good one and on twitter ms c.j. right there is how do you believe in god. at all when you see scientific back and hurricanes katrina holocausts how do you believe when you see in human heart is not a person god is infinite fee's of a lot of really wouldn't believe it ok you know when you believe in what is it to

believe in our side down as a god be good to be and he kills is an infinite mind it contains everything the divine and the diabolical the sinner and the thing forbidden lust and unconditional love they're all different aspects of the one mind red sox and yankees fans where you make the rules that society has a rules don't you think i think for society to operate they have to be rules but these rules actually derive from what is called platonic truth so the religious experience was always one of inseparability and that's where the golden rule comes from do unto others as you would have them do unto you because the other is an aspect of yourself. your opinion very little because the trouble right now because we had not had but. psychologically and spiritually and we have weapons making a deathbed the same time it's a very dangerous combination modern capacities and ancient tribal habits.

from the earth. or we do was more weapons this is crazy. with killing yeah you know. that's about three hundred million years old and emotional brain that is hundred million years old in a rational brain that's four million years old so when it comes to crises we resort to that if julian and emotional brain and never to the logical and rational. you could look for me. on larry king now.

but. i would like to know that you know the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution and. that's because a free and open process is critical to our democracy. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and our. we've been hijacked why handful. of corporations will profit by destroying what our founding fathers. i taught mark that on this show we were revealed the big picture of what's actually going. to go beyond identifying. rational debate real discussion protocol issues these. are ready to join the movement then welcome to.

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