think suspect. they would like to do if you did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy correct help us. to make you know i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on when we go beyond identifying. rational debate real discussion critical issues facing america ready to join the movement and welcome the big picture. along tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. chill a as just elected

a new president believe it or not there's a lot she could teach politicians here in the u.s. about how to run a country more on that with professor richard wolffe in just a moment also just one day after n.s.a. chief keith alexander went on sixty minutes to defend his agency's spying programs federal judges ruled that the n.s.a.'s bulk metadata collection program is unconstitutional and the president himself is about to propose its own sort of announce a reform so could this be the beginning of the end for the surveillance state and if you really want to live the american dream and be happy yet to go to you to leave america go to finland tell you why but i still take. you know this chalet and this have rejected reaganomics and it's about time we

followed their lead back in the early one nine hundred seventy s. chile was one of the most progressive countries in south america it's democratically elected. socialist president salvador allende nationalized big businesses and gave every chilean access to free healthcare and free higher education g.d.p. went up income inequality went down and for the first time ever working class chileans had a chance to live their version of the american dream but not everyone was happy with president i ended his chilean new deal behind his back the united states and that country's corporate and military elite were conspiring to sabotage his reforms and destroy the country's economy although i end his policies were successful chile still needed foreign loans to survive and so the nixon administration got the international monetary fund to suspend all aid its decimated the economy and stunted the progress i ended made over his first for years and years in office the

chilean elites sabotaged campaign turned into outright treason on september eleventh nine hundred seventy three one with the help of the cia general august pinochet overthrew n.a.s. government and assured in seventeen years of military rule you know she's dictatorship was one of the most brutal in latin american history dissidents were jailed tortured and executed was savage cruelty summary would throw the helicopters into the ocean others are taken to the national soccer stadium in santiago where they were shot at point blank range by firing squads the memories of pinochet's brutality are so raw that to this day many chileans refused to attend soccer matches at the national stadium. believing that to do so dishonors the debt pinochet's cruelty to his opponents was matched only by his equally cruel devotion to austerity style economics soon after he took power the general invited milton friedman's chicago's school boys to reform and economy it privatized

industries slashed government spending austerity inflation reached as high as three hundred forty one percent g.d.p. decreased by fifteen percent and chile's trade deficit ballooned to a whopping two hundred eighty million dollars unemployment jumped from three to ten percent and in some parts of the country climbed as high as twenty two percent of course that didn't really matter to the chicago boys because as chill a an economist orlando led tale the a noted they had succeeded in their broader purpose to secure the economic and political power of a small dominant class by affecting a massive transfer of wealth in the lower and middle classes to a select group of monopolists and financial speculators like reagan in the united states pinochet gutted progressive reforms and i shared in a new era of dominance by the super rich and the corporate elite pinochet's military government eventually fell in one thousand nine hundred mockers he was

restored but the legacy of his time in power is still felt today inequality is still high and education is too expensive for most chilling ends to afford not surprisingly the country's outgoing or right wing president sebastian pinera did little to change this that's why on sunday selected socialist michelle about chalet as president like i am maybe for her promises free higher education and raises taxes on the rich i mean on the heels of the first right wing president since pinochet bashing let's for election is a significant one chileans have once and for all it appears said goodbye. to the legacy of pinochet and the policies of the chicago boys to put it bluntly they rejected reaganomics and we should say. earlier today i spoke with economist and author richard wolffe about the election of michelle bachelet i started out by

asking him how and why we should know about the chilean experience with the chicago school of economics. basically chile offered itself through its relationship with the united states to be a bit of a test case to see whether the extreme conservative fundamentalist kind of economics preached by milton friedman would be a success in helping an underdeveloped country like achieve extraordinary economic growth things didn't work out really well there there's been a growing chaos of difficulty there no doubt for many reasons but the notion of a strict conservative monetarist economic program for economic development as a magic bullet chile is proof positive that it doesn't work like that so what is

the election of michel about mean for chile. well because of its copper reserves because of the world's need for the kinds of products that come from g.l.a. they've had a pretty good couple of decades of economic development in the last twenty years or so not great but better than many other countries so you might have thought that conservative business oriented politics would follow exactly the opposite has happened the economic growth that chile did achieve which so many people look to as some sort of way to help the bottom half of society didn't work out that way in chile as indeed. rarely does it worked out to enrich mostly those at the top so what you have in the election of by chalet again now after having been in office before is the clear expression of the overwhelming majority of people actually got

sixty two percent of the vote that they don't want that kind of only equal society gap between a small percentage of rich people and a mass of people having a hard time they don't want that and they see in bashur lay a politician committed to doing something about the growing unjustified and overwhelmingly rejected by the majority of people kind of inequality the lesson for the united states is obvious isn't this consistent with a larger truth trend that is sweeping south and central america. yes indeed it's a trend three being in many parts of the world whether it's the united states or latin america or europe poll after poll shows that the majority of people are not happy with the inequality that has been developing for decades in many parts of the world and instead of being reversed when those inequality decades produced

a crisis in fact the crisis is continuing to build more inequality people everywhere are angry the only question is whether the wealthy are in another control of the politics to simply move forward notwithstanding the massive people's feeling otherwise in chile they could vote for someone in many other countries it doesn't matter who you vote for because the entire political establishment is committed to austerity and other policies that worsen inequality well and that's where i want to go that it seems that in south and central america people are actually voting in quote leftists but people are demanding the same across north america look at the i. by movement or europe look at the pitchfork movement in italy just this week do you see this as the future for the developed countries or will the billionaires elite squash it in these more developed nations. well i think everywhere the people at the top are doing everything they can to do two things to

sustain a system that makes them wealthier and everybody else's expense and to control the political life of their societies so that nothing can be done by the majority of people through the normal political process of voting to change it truly in latin america because of lest we changes over the last twenty years there is an opportunity for popular will but in most parts of the world you're bottling up a growing disparity of income and wealth you're not allowing it to have political expression and typically in the history of our human race that produces explosions and i think the pitchfork movement in italy but just as important a couple of weeks ago the parliament in spain came up with a list of repressive fines for people expressing their public opinion that are

signs of a polarization that is all madness in terms of where the world economy is going on the rise of the nazis and greece for example as well south south america is more heavily catholic than any other part of the world do you think that pope francis's critiques of chicago school style capitalism and the fact that he's the first south american pope might be driving or helping to drive this movement in chile. i think the underlying economic conditions are what's driving it because that's what's driving it everywhere but i do believe that having a latin american pope and having a latin american pope who understands what the meaning of the polarity of rich and poor is that has. produced in latin america among other things by the kind of friedman esque chicago school politics and policies that this pope understands that if he's going to keep his institution viable and capitalism as a system that they've partnered with viable they better begin to do something for

the mass of people or else the period of their survival is going to be shortened so i think yes it helps legitimate for the mass of people what the system itself is driving them to do richard wolffe thanks for joining us tonight. coming up conservatives always say that any quality motivates people and helps grow the economy so why now that america is the most unequal country in the developed world is our economy stagnate and what can we do to make sure that our economy works for everyone answer both those questions right after the break.

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in screw news the united states is now the most unequal country in the developed world the richest ten percent of americans control a whopping seventy five point four percent of all wealth in our nation by comparison finland top ten percent controls only forty four point nine percent of the wealth in japan it controls forty nine point one percent in france the richest ten percent has fifty one point eight percent of that country's wealth and it's not as if things have gotten any better since the financial crisis they've actually gotten worse a recent study by economist and emmanuel sands found that from two thousand and nine to two thousand and twelve the top one percent incomes grew by thirty one

point four percent while bottom ninety nine percent incomes grew only by four tenths of one percent and the top one percent captured ninety five percent of the income gains in the first three years of the recovery republicans a libertarian say that this sort of inequality is good for the economy because it encourages people to work her for those republicans and libertarians don't understand how you get on the work when the economy is more equal and everyday working people earn more they spend more the stimulates demand which stimulates growth when wealth is concentrated at the top and the economy is less equal growth suffers because consumers can't afford to spend their extra cash and the real rich are just bashing away in the cook islands or the swiss bank accounts and working people are way too busy for example trying to make their mortgage payments to go buy a car go out to dinner so for republicans really cared about jumpstarting the economy it would feel the reagan tax cuts propose a living wage for the real job creators everyday working americans who create the

demand with their paychecks so what are they waiting for let's ask jack burkman g.o.p. strategist and host of behind the curtain jack and tom. thank you oh if you love job creators so much let's roll back the tax cuts i love this phrase working people as though i'm not a working guy you know i grew up in pittsburgh in a blue collar town i never saw a hardworking person maybe with the exception of my mother until i moved to washington and i see the people are rich here you know why because they work you know what they do in the lazy bums in pittsburgh mostly you know what you see there you see working guys with big bellies that come home put their feet up have an icy light and watch the steelers who's wrong with nothing but don't expect much out of life if that's the way you want to live don't don't remember unwind of the american dream of being in the middle class and working a forty hour week is not a reasonable thing you've got to earn your way in this society i mean when you think i'm talking about the i'm talking about the middle class i'm not talking about becoming rich not. just look at what's available think about think about what

you're saying take a step back look at all the welfare that's available social security you've got not only welfare and all went well now you have now you have the health insurance obama's going to buy your health insurance with the health reform act you've got real wealth. and that's your for profit company and this guy this myth that mythological average guy pays nothing in tax he gets all these benefits then you want to come in and say now we have to worry about his. you know very well the average person in this country the upper five percent pay almost all the taxes in this country. the opera five percent support the budget simply not true for five percent maybe paying a large portion of the income taxes in this country that's because they're getting most of the income they're getting they may be paying eighty. ninety percent of the income when the democrats say that the fica tax. is higher than the income tax

that's because when you take out mortgage interest when you take out the child care deduction the average person has almost nothing goes eight years pays nothing on taxes what. so ever makes an average of eight or nine million i don't support. all over the country i'll join you on the polls but i think one thousand nine hundred fifty to one thousand nine hundred g.d.p. growth in g.d.p. in the united states was growing gross domestic product at three point eight percent it's the only time in the history of the literally history the republic it was over three percent. per decade for three consecutive days. because the country was the whole world was wiped out of the second world war we had no competition it's very easy to fix our exports went from about one and a half percent of our economy about one point eight percent it was not because we were doing an export driven economy. we were giving money to europe to rebuild we didn't sell them things they went to the us had no competition anywhere in the world there was nobody in the japanese were invading the u.s.

steel market the british were invading the us steel market the germans were down until the seventy we had a good strong economy that was internal we americans were buying american made goods we had we had trade policies that were protecting us we had labor policies or we started this idea worked and then reagan came along in one hundred eighty and he said ok let's blow this up and from one thousand nine hundred twenty ten we've seen two point seven percent average g.d.p. when you look at if you look at small think about how well the american working man has done in absolute terms i mean you can prove anything by looking at small intervals but look at one hundred forty one thousand nine hundred sixty one thousand nine hundred twenty thirteen look at how the american working man has progressed almost unbuilt from one hundred eighty until twenty thirteen average individual working person's income has has been absolutely flat gone down a little so what the whole country has gotten richer is that but absolute standards are up you're trying you're focused on relative standards you're obsessed with relative productivity the average worker has gone up with their wages and margaret

thatcher said about labor they want this we want this that's the difference that's the obsession with the left is obsessed with the relative differences. but i'm not going to relative differences i'm talking about if you go to work and you and you work and you produce something you're productive you should be getting something that reflects that productivity you should from the george washington administration get what the market gives you and if you don't like that you work harder to improve your circumstance you know what i you know i think it's really pathetic so it's all it's market and you betcha this is not market should not be you know what you know because then you've got children in the workforce then you've got people being paid why did three i'm not an anarchist i'm a conservative i believe in some legitimate government regulation i don't believe it brought about and will lead to the check thanks for dropping in my pussy. you know it is a federal judge has ruled the national security agency's bulk metadata collection program the one revealed by edward snowden back in june is probably unconstitutional this record judge richard leon included in

a decision released today that the n.s.a. is dragnet surveillance of violates the fourth amendment to ban on unreasonable search and seizure he said that he could not imagine a more indiscriminate and arbitrary invasion in the systematic and high tech collection and retention of personal data on virtually every single citizen for purposes of queering it in analyzing it without judicial approval judge leon's ruling comes just a day after sixty minutes aired a controversy over report on the n.s.a. surveillance program that report which featured interviews with the agency's outgoing chief keith alexander has been widely criticized as a glorified public relations piece for the n.s.a. c.b.s. reporter john miller essentially allowed alexander other intelligence officials to use sixty minutes as a platform to defend their policies here's a clip from the report. we need to help the american people understand what we're doing and why we're doing it and to put it simply we're doing two things we're

defending this country from future terrorist attacks and we're defending our civil liberties and privacy. joining me now for more on all this is a hawk batar executive director of the bill of rights defense committee showed welcome back thanks for having me on top thanks for joining us so let's start with today's ruling and what's the significance of judge leon's this really wasn't a ruling it was kind of a preliminary look he ruled that he might rule and there friday enjoined but then he unemployed them self right and screw things up until he rules it was a decision on a preliminary injunction so it's not the final word even in this case and it will likely be appealed before you in this case comes to rest and the significance of the case is basically that after sitting on its hands for a decade the federal judiciary is finally at least claiming to be back in the business of protecting constitutional rights it's striking that this is not the first ruling of its kind every federal judge who has ever reached the merits in any of several of the been almost a dozen now challenges to the n.s.a.'s program has ruled the programs and

unconstitutional violation of the fourth amendment but on appeal most recently at the supreme court this spring every appellate court has said there's nothing to see here move along because before the snowden leaks no one could prove that they were actually being monitored and in fact they were not going to stand for the issue that you have been harmed and among other things what the snowden leaks revelations did was confer standing to millions of people right there standing being the when you go before a court you have to say i have the right to be here because i can prove that i personally have been on its output or i represent a class of people has been harmed all of the right of class action has been diminished by the supreme court that's all over the place one point just to note there the reason that no one could establish standing until now was because all the abuses are secret for us is so the secrecy and by the executive was blocking the judiciary from even having a chance to engage and so judge leon's ruling as a signals the judiciary at the starting to engage in this will take years to it was a classic catch twenty two you know i'm not sure i object to being secretly

observed where you can't prove you're being secret right or blood because it's secret that's what i object to but you can't but. anyway this decision only has to do with more of the. all committed by the way it's i think it's interesting to note this judge was appointed by george w. bush absolutely in the very same year for the society number but at the very same year that the n.s.a. started the warrantless wiretapping program judge leon was appointed to the bench and the senate striking the program that was started in secret illegally and unconstitutional by the president who nominated him is now the one the judge leon i think proving the independence of branch of the federal judiciary. is taking some pains to restrain and place constitutional limits on so there's this presidential review group going to. president obama's review of these programs and he says any leaks out of that in the sense of what's going on there have been a couple weeks the first of them is that the review commission the review board had recommended to the white house to split the n.s.a. between a military command and

a civilian command and the word on the street at least is that the white house has declined that recommendation and will instead ensure that the n.s.a. remains a strictly military instrument there are going to be any number of other recommendations the full contours of which will not be known until next month interestingly enough after the white house has a chance to first review them and then decide which ones it will choose. a couple things about the review group that are worth noting the first is that it is so it's not independent in any meaningful sense the second is that it doesn't have any enforceability these are just recommendations being made to the president you might view the whole thing as a spin move by the president who announced in august he was going to convene this review group so that he could get some advice about what to finally do about this issue that let's just be clear was an issue when he was first elected the largest organized affinity group in my barack obama dot com in july two thousand and eight was a group that said get pfizer right pfizer being the statute that enables all this and he didn't get it right and then doubt a claim that he needs a review group to decide what to do about juries we have just a little list of for

a lot of us here is your thoughts on c.b.s. is there for just to be like an infomercial. a scale. having demonstration of so much of what is wrong with corporate media in the united states and also an example why i'm happy to have programs like. this you have no independence at all the idea that media would be reduced to becoming propaganda in favor of the state when so much of journalism is ethics is rooted in this notion of speaking truth to power and shining a light where all that's in there and that's the essence of the first amendment is that without a free and independent press you can't have a functioning democracy absolutely ever since she had great to see you great to see it up thanks so much for dropping the question. coming up it's been now more than two years since new york police broke up the occupy wall street encampment and zuccotti park what impact did occupy wall street have on american politics and what can it teach us about mass protest going forward and how is wal-mart trying to profit off the war on that right after the break.

i would rather i asked questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.t.e. question. i know c.n.n. m s n b c fox news have taken some knots lately but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be

accurate. that was funny but it's closer to the truth and might think. it's because one politicians and the mainstream media work side by side the joke is actually on here. and our teen years we have a different brain. because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not. going to stick to the jokes i will hand over the stuff that i've got.

i would like to know that you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy schreck i'll just. go on. to make you know i'm sorry and on this show we were a few of the picture of what's actually going on will we go beyond identifying the problem to try rational debate a real discussion critical issues facing a family member ready to join the movement then welcome to the big picture. talk about the big picture i'm tom hartman coming up in this.