with max concert for a no holds barred look global financial headlines kinds a report. did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution which says that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy schreck. going to go on i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on we go beyond identifying a problem you trust rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing america emma are you ready to join the movement and welcome the big three. well i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here is what's coming up tonight on the big picture. the senate finally passed

the bipartisan murry ryan budget deal today so now that congress as found a way to fund the government at austerity levels for the next two years is about time we found a way to extend unemployment insurance past december sorry about that and more in tonight's law in the rubble and president obama says that we don't have time to listen to the flat earth society when it comes to global warming or the republican congress willing to do anything to sabotage i'm looking forward on climate change legislation is easier said than done so what should the president do next to fight back against the greatest threat to our species has ever faced as bill backers executive director of the presidential climate action project and i had special wednesday conversations with.

you know this today the senate passed the bipartisan budget deal which now. goes to president obama to be signed and he's already expressed his support for the deal and while the deal does address some of this nation's economic woes what's notably missing from it is an extension of unemployment benefits for one point three million americans who are set to lose their unemployment insurance right after christmas so why doesn't the bipartisan budget deal address this nation's unemployment epidemic. just ask rand paul or any of his republican colleagues for that matter who adamantly oppose extending unemployment insurance benefits on fox news sunday last week ron paul rand paul excuse me had this to say. i do support unemployment benefits for the twenty six weeks that they're paid for if you extend it beyond that you do a disservice to these workers there was a study that came out a few months ago and it said if you have a worker that's been unemployed for four weeks and on unemployment insurance and

one that's on ninety nine weeks which would you hire every employer nearly one hundred percent said they will always hire the person who's been out of work for weeks when you allow his colleagues think that by cutting off on employment insurance to millions of americans are actually motivating them to get out there and get jobs that's fine if there are jobs to get. there aren't. as of two ever there are ten point nine million unemployed americans real numbers might be twice that when you consider underemployed people who gave up looking or always things yet employers only added two hundred thirty thousand jobs last month all those new jobs might help the economy there obviously not enough to put all unemployed americans back to work. but somehow the republicans don't get that they continue to stand by the myth that americans will magically find jobs if they just lose their unemployment insurance. what's really going to happen is the one point three million americans who are going to lose their health insurance their

unemployment years you know this month is that they going to fall deeper and deeper into poverty according to a national employment law project. last year unemployment insurance helped to keep one point seven million americans including four hundred forty thousand children of unemployed adults out of poverty and as matt we go less is points out over at slate that millions of americans lose their unemployment insurance some fairly substantial fraction of the long term unemployed or just stop looking for a job and drop out of the labor force if you're long term unemployed he writes and almost by definition looking for work has not been very successful in getting publicans refused to acknowledge that when capitalism fails or at least pick ups the government should be the employer of last resort. rather than taking away unemployment insurance from americans and condemning them to a life of poverty republicans need to realize that like it or not when capitalism fails the government has an obligation to be the employer of last resort. if

republicans really want americans to get back to work and it's time for them to support the policies and legislation that will put them back to work and that starts by creating a modern day equivalent of the w.p.a. and the c.c.c. let's rubble. low level rubble of kyle peterson managing editor of the american spectator and possibly the late horace cooper will show we'll see but kyle thank you for joining with us do you really think cutting out employment insurance to millions of americans is going to cause them to go out and get jobs what rand paul is just what i think the good senator is math as a law there i think he was speaking a little bit. i mean there is there is some evidence. that the existence of unemployment sure it's a long term unemployment insurance makes it easier for people who are unemployed to

delay tough decisions about whether they should switch careers whether they should take jobs that pay less than what they previously had so there's some evidence that increases the length of unemployment but i think i think there's two things that i think you're going to sense though doesn't i mean if you've got a master's degree in something then and that's the field you've been working in and the only job you can find is a mcdonald's isn't a rational i mean as in iran rand rational isn't it a rational thing to say you know i'm not going to take that job right now i'm going to bet that over the next three or four weeks i can find a job you know that twelve thousand all your job i'm going to find a job in the sixty thousand dollars you're category but i've got a seventy thousand dollars student loan to pay off i'm sure and that's and that's exactly the point it's rational under the system for someone in that situation to delay that decision is not a good thing the question. is whether it's rational for the taxpayer to subsidize the delay of that decision but it's a good it's a good thing for society if you've got the people who are trained for something actually finding those jobs sure but some of those jobs are changing you know you

see this particularly in industries where industries in decline and some of those people are looking for the ship to shore by our insane trade policies so people are looking for the things that they will not find again i mean the problem here is that it's easy to be compassionate with other people's money and what we're already and what republicans lack here is is a limiting principle i mean how long does this go on this was an emergency this is an emergency measure it was on it's only emergency is over just yet and there's some sense among republicans i think that it's beginning to abate i mean the job numbers are improving two hundred in the alike out of nine hundred eighty when ronald reagan was beating up on jimmy carter about unemployment the unemployment rate was three point nine percent three point six percent excuse me we got seven percent and by the way they've changed four times now since then the way that they calculated if you were to calculate unemployment the way they did in one thousand nine hundred our unemployment rate would be over ten percent sure and all things

being equal i think that republicans might be on board with that except all things are not equal i mean the other factor playing into the republican thinking here is is that the deficit i mean the debt to g.d.p. ratio is hovering somewhere around two hundred percent. you know we've had trillion dollar deficits in the past few years the projection for twenty fourteen is not quite that high but it's still pretty high i mean republicans are essentially drawing a line in the sand and saying you know we can go this far and no further you know half of this stuff frankly most of all kind of famously the best who did not put into place welfare programs. he said the best welfare program is a job absolutely and so we need to build a dam in that we need to we need to electrify tennessee we need to we need to. new york whatever it may be we you know if there's a consensus that it's something that needs to be done you know we needed to plant trees in from oklahoma down in texas to act as wind blocks to stop the dust bowl

and so he said you know these things need to be done we'll put people to work doing that and the unemployment where it went from you know over thirty percent down to about twelve percent in four years i mean for franklin roosevelt solved the great depression in in fairly short order and fairly dramatic fashion simply by saying the government will be the employer of last resort what's wrong with that why was it you think that the first one is that we gave that a go i mean the stimulus the students the trees are still there that dam is still there ari a you know on that and the t.v. a there is still there but the obama stimulus even the president admitted the shovel ready jobs were not quite a shovel ready as he into space that meant he was the money was slow to get out i mean i know everybody seemed a graph of of what obama's advisor said the unemployment rate would cap out at if the stimulus were passed and then the law of shooting above that i was a part of the reason why it's the economy is continuing to to get better or to stabilize at

a point where the hemorrhaging is because those show shovel ready jobs were ready then they're ready to years later so the stimulus the obama stimulus has been stretched out over a period of time but you know it's still it's not enough you we've got ten point nine million people who are actively looking for work right now desperate for work and there's no jobs let's put them to work absolutely and what republicans would say is we need jobs let the job creators create the government by a large doesn't create jobs for government absolute jobs and in fact the flip side of this is is the government jobs that were created by a government that is the military for example i mean george bush the defense budget right now is three times what it was in one thousand nine hundred and george bush created a hell of a lot of jobs by invading a couple of countries and and the and the republicans just said hey let's. a provision into the budget it failed but it. is going to give six billion dollars we're going to cut everybody everybody's all the government employee retirement

pensions except for the military we're going to give them six billion dollars what's with us military fetish on the part of the republicans how is somebody who is in the military any better or any worse than somebody who works thirty years as part of agriculture i think that there's a sense that those people republicans of those people have sacrificed for the country and. the cuts to those military pensions i think we're not that drastic anyway they were cut the ryan murray plan to specifically targeted toward people who are under the age of sixty two and presumably still in the workforce or still could be in the workforce if we had a draft i'm not sure i would disagree with you. you know right now anyway actually i want to get in there afterward why is it that working people the republican theme or means seems to be working people are motivated by being afraid of homelessness and hunger and others moving away from pain is too great motivation says moving away from

a moving toward pleasure whereas rich people are motivated by moving toward pleasure they need to act in order to be job creators i think everybody's motivated by both and a lot of the rich people who who you say are motivated by pleasure didn't start out being rich people and they were motivated for a good portion of their life by by trying to get ahead by trying to get health insurance by trying to get a steady job by trying to get a house for their kids or their family i think it's both but we are now the least socially mobile of the thirty four o.e.c.d. countries is it is now harder in the united states than any other developed country in the world to move your way from the bottom rung of america to the top or even in the middle i mean it's not working and that's and that's a problem that needs to be addressed and again i think how would you address say would say let the market fly and let these job creators go i mean what what is need to let let let the koch brothers pull. all they want to know not what the koch brothers put all they want but there are segments of the economy that are tapered down by overregulation i think that's absolutely true and i think there are

a lot of arguments to looking for that so i will get back to that in just a bit more of. a break. i've got a quote for you. it's pretty tough. stay with substory. it's just this kind of like you would smear about john stead of working for the people most issues in the mainstream media were pretty much on the bridegroom's days you know if. they did rather. if it was a. very hard to take i. want to get to come on here my life has never had sex with that her hair cut. and i want.

to. see if. if. if if see if the people.

his eyes alone liberal rumble joining me kyle peterson the adelaide horoscope for that's where i grew up in merry christmas to you horace on tuesday the d.c. council unanimously approved raising that city this city's minimum wage to eleven dollars and fifty cents an hour to the highest minimum wages among us cities because the effect in twenty sixteen and will be tied to inflation going forward city council also passed a measure that will give paid sick days to restaurant to tip to restaurant workers after ninety days of employment no more sneezing in the salad as the bring it out fine by first is the time lawmakers on capitol hill fall in the d.c. footsteps of establishing a reasonable minimum wage i mean if the minimum wage were where it was in one

thousand sixty eight it would be ten dollars and twenty cents an hour if if the minimum wage simply tracked productivity as it did from one hundred thirty five to nine hundred sixty five it would be a twenty two dollars an hour. so what if you wanted to be twenty today i want you running a piece criticizing the d.c. city council for their been your ears failure to deal with this problem now here's the eleven dollars here's the truth it's not a good start it's a terrible idea and here's the truth we just had a release that came out and explained that washington d.c. has the highest number of residents who are higher income of almost any other city in the united states. because all your minimum wage is going to do is affect those people who are not a part of that it is going to have very significant effects and last time we talk about this going to affect the fifteen or twenty percent of the people who are living in the homeless shelters who are working full time as a person who recently has encountered people who are sitting in homeless shelters

what they say is they want a chance what your support of this does and what the council's passage does is it takes away that jail what does he does this do it's money into the hands of job creators you know how many no it doesn't we are putting johnny into the hands of the i'm here don't give job creators zero job creators are people who see a new money hit they create demand in the economy they're spending money they're buying things and so somebody is going to start a business to satisfy that that if you lose your job or you don't get one you don't have any meant way to introduce funds into it in this town i'm going to make this quick point in this town at a lower number of people who are successful today came in by waiting tables working out a bar and other kinds of psuedo is what they got was so offering my dear old sam that you are taking that away from those people as well and be all about it will it will raise prices in the city and make what is one of america's most expensive cities even more expensive why are you guys going poor on our one nine hundred ninety

seven as i explained to you i mean there's. literally several hundred examples of cities raising the minimum wage a dollar two dollars three dollars an hour as i had a case of coral and it went up five dollars an hour in one year as expensive to workers for theirs and it improved the quality of who didn't prove the qualities or wonder what it was living there what it did do is it didn't have the negative effects for two reasons one they actual market economy minimum wage was substantially higher than what they set but who they had a make up of the community that was more uniform the make up here in this community is divided primarily. young black men are going to be left out as a result they already are that is not they're going to be increasingly more so left out you're not going to see that there's. going to go away there's no business in this town that's going to go so phyllis might not be weightless eleven twenty five then every peoples and those people will go so what's going to happen is that the bottom a little the bottom of the wrong people and you going to see it not so much in

washington d.c. as in the communities around d.c. where a lot of these people commute in from who are working in d.c. is you're going to see more money in those communities because you're putting money into the pockets of the jobs after the working what you're going to see it is going to be a lot of more stowell to say the create more don't you want to see is more wealthy non-blacks volunteer ring is unpaid interns to be exempt from this and they'll get their foot in the door because their parents can subsidize them meanwhile the poor black well that's already a major problem that we needed and that we're going to be paid internships. and all these be all these corporate and more people will leave this city i mean at the margins you know i know people i don't i live in virginia because d.c. is to expose a bill of it when people are moving into town when people are looking for their next digs they're going to look at the cost of living and they're going to say i there's no way i'm not going to live and you need to blame the supreme court for that one when reagan came into office there were three hundred plus registered lobbyists in this town you know ever since citizens united and actually since

buckley versus vallejo we now have over thirty three thousand registered lobbyists in this town and pay in that business starts around one hundred fifty to two hundred thousand dollars a year if you're a member of congress while you know it's better to know about this the very know is are going to impact a lot of the you know this is this is the problem this is money and politics are going to be south east residents who are going to see that the difficulty i just had going to our church does a regular event in december with shelters here in the city and i had a weekend to talk to them about the problems that they face and they say the problem is they can't get through the door and this is going to me. problem when our this is not it's this is going to make more doors open because more of the job creators will have money in their pockets to spend which creates demand in the economy which will cause more entrepreneurs to start more beer money not go by say the wage system right so i guess that's we're starting to repeat ourselves so let's move on to china china has blocked a fifth cargo of u.s.

corn since mid november is just a month after of testing found a strain of general g.m.o. is genetically modified organisms it quite a type of corn is not yet approved for imported china china is the second largest corn consumer and they turned out one hundred eighty thousand tons of corn since mid november so china doesn't want our g.m.o. tainted corn shouldn't american consumers have the right to say we'd like to know what's in it to one of the. the reuters story that has everybody but you said that analysts were were saying that it had more to do with trade disputes it was china throwing its economic weight around absolutely and even if it does even if it is about geo about china simply wrote i mean the broad consensus is that genetically modified food is safe and it is the most effective way to address hunger problems in the world so shouldn't people have the right to know what's in there for sure i have no problem with people having knowledge about what's in the flute i have

a problem with the government imposing their basis for whether or not this is valid and in fact what we don't i'm using once again i have to shatter your illusions but we don't live in a world where where you can walk out of the store and you can say to the grow sure we're just idea corn from yes we do and the grocer can say oh i bought it from within the hour now he lives a mile and a half dozen to you know walk over to jim's for this last time you went to whole foods that not only will tell you where it's been. they will give you the actual market where that came in the actual farm where that came yeah but where i live down in the south was there is no whole foods there's a safeway and if i walk into the safeway and i say where did this corn come. i don't i get a blank stare but don't shop there this is oh i say this is a maybe we should all have enough money that we can travel to the part of. the shore of the underground and we're going to find it up well you know and i could tell you just as well that a lot of kids would either out of the kind of marginally paid people that whole foods are going to give you a blank stare when you say what farm did that grow on can i go out but out to the

farmer give me his phone number so i can call him up to the point i was just amazing because i'd like to know what's in my food i'm sorry that world doesn't exist to the point that was just made the scientific consensus and this is again an example of how progressive's are actually pro-science of scientific consensus is g.m.o. is not a problem china that's the second leg census why has all of europe said no politics and tariffs and trade policies and now the chinese were sending us gasoline infected toothpaste we didn't say you can't send anymore your products here we know you don't say that to anybody we don't say that the monsanto we don't say it to china or we are as a source of killer because we don't care about eight and we want to make sure that we find we because we want to act catch you on the companies that are importing this stuff to come in and to give back to the point i mean if there's if there's a market for foods that are specifically. and someone will make a killing selling those product well and they are how well again it has taken off and is good and what is happening is wealthy people who can afford that great but

you know what you're arguing for is an aristocracy what you're arguing for is you know let the rich people have the privilege but the average working person poor people middle class people who live on less because they had no choice at all is that organic food and non g.m.o. food costs more than a few more not necessarily yes absolutely overwhelming that that's the case you would know better if it was like if i have there's one right here in washington d.c. i look at the prices and i compare them to the grocery store that i go to all the time and i can see is something to do and the only reason the only reason that the g.m.o. products are cheaper because they're being subsidized by the government. ok. you can't have it both ways on the way are absolutely going to wind back up that and on the genetic modification is a subsidy for the government that's not true it absolutely is true that's the this is the nanny state this is this is the state saying we're going to pick winners and losers we're going to pick monsanto we're going to run how we're going to look around there are forty one i was really listening to properly picking winners and losers yes i think i'll take it up it's always there are sit ups you know they

created these crops right they invested millions and millions of dollars to do so right these crops are planted voluntarily by farmers who capture a segment of the value created i'm sorry and tell her it is companies not. deserve to benefit from their artwork he could have married they were building this americans i believe we've now added into a debate about that in trademark law but but i'm with thomas jefferson that a patent or copyright should not last more than three years it's three years is enough time to capture what you contributed because basically nothing came out of nothing everything is based on everything everybody everything everybody stands on the shoulders of somebody closer to you than you realize i don't think these unlimited rules that we've put into place are and that's why i'm saying bill gates and monsanto they're well first we need to provide some incentives we do need to provide some incentives three are people to be able to invest in things that really are going through but we can work that out but the point is china's actions are all

about trade and flexing political power than they are about any interest in protecting their people if they were interested in protecting their people they hold free elections concerned a war on women is now mandating that women get rape insurance in michigan if you if you think you might get raped you have to buy insurance in advance once you're raped you can want to buy the insurance this is bizarre how do you guys think we're going to win elections i think it's bizarre that progressives are so for killing innocent unborn children that they will distort the facts in every way so you while women who are raped before as i as you are not carry that child to a pro. life and i'm proud of ok so you do a lot of woman to be forced to go and i do not believe and in the moment of rape i do not believe that almost any innocent child should ever die because of what. when it is that one does that rape become a child. this again is another example is how you is an hour out of the race and three days after you play but all you have to do is ask

a biologist and he will tell you life begins at conception but what i didn't satisfy why not an option is it is it at the moment that the sperm meets the ovum in the floppy in tube or is it the or is it three days later when implants into the uterus this is as well and b. is all about is it prevents the implantation this is no no no no no no no i think i'll go to the last ten so this michigan policy is a winner when people who want abortion coverage can get coverage that does not change people who don't want to coverage don't have to have it and they are confident that will just appeared you know you don't need to know they do you good science properly understood as a hedge against risky. you're going to risk of rape and you could bias all salt as sure as i suppose no i just like all the bombings i decline allegories we gotta go i'm sorry yes yes everyone thank you merry christmas coming up climate change is the greatest threat to our species has ever faced we need to take action now to prevent a situation getting worse will there ever be enough political will to put the policies in place that are needed to save the future of the only planet we call the

last william backer executive director of president of the presidential climate action project in tonight's special conversations pretty. i would rather as questions to people positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for. i know c.n.n. the premise n.b.c. and fox news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate.

that was funny but it's close and for the truth and might think. it's because when full attention and the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on here. and our teen years we have a different right. ok because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not god. if. you guys stick to the jokes well handled it makes sense that i got.

so. for three nights special edition of conversations with great minds i'm speaking with someone who's been working in green development issues since the one nine hundred seventy s. he helped build america's first solar village bill bakker is the executive director of the presidential climate action project and a senior associate at the natural capitalism solutions he spent fifteen years at the u.s. department of energy addition to his work at the climate action project he's also a member of mikhail gorbachev climate change task force and then advisor to the environmental and energy study institute here in washington d.c. william joins us now from denver colorado go back or welcome to the program. thank you very much thanks for.