should millennial have to keep paying for benefit programs they probably won't be receiving themselves financial expert neil grossman is here with a warning for generation w t f plus the nation's katrina vanden. that's cohen are here with what they call the growing antagonism of the united states russian relations it's all next up taking with larry king i take it with larry king we begin with neil grossman financial expert managing partner chief investment officer of t.k. energy capital and author of the new e-book generation w.t.f. how millennial can step the mushrooming cost of social security medicaid and

medicare what is what is w t f well i'm not sure i can say this on say a lot of land stands for what the. really that's what you want it's a man's that's you have a generation that's got one hell of a problem in front of them and who are the millennial as well you know they're generally thought to be people under the age of thirty and they're a growing part of the population obviously but they're being in combat with a massive headache by you know my generation the baby boom and you know generations that have preceded this is you're saying they're going to face future problems in medicaid so sure you know i because the burden we put on them because of the burden we've been putting on iran they've been saying that since these programs started i've been here i'm eighty years old yes you are all my life i've heard you people going to pay for this is keeps on working but it is there actually you don't see it as directly but you know the bottom line is that the deficits have been growing fairly significantly over the last fifteen years a significant part of that actually is tied into the fact that we have been spending the accumulated surpluses and running them down you know so medicare

medicaid is going to be actually functionally insolvent within the next three or four years social security runs out of money in the mid two thousand and thirty s. but in fact if you look at what they expected and solve and see date was ten years ago it was four or five years long. so it's been shortening and shortening and shortening as well that is true what do we do well there are a couple of things first of all there are the financial solutions number one but i think that the reason i wrote this book is i think this is really both a political and emotional problem and the problem politically is you have a very large aging population demographically there are forty million seniors now in twenty years they're going to be eighty that's going to almost twenty five percent of me have been taken away this notion that they are very very difficult to take that away they have an amazingly powerful voices you know and my first point and what i'd like to see is to motivate the younger people this country to realize that that if they really want to start to address this problem they have to do it

by by by becoming more focused and representing themselves with a powerful voice to offset that politicians will listen to what vocal and large voting block when they don't think about tomorrow do they have the twenty five year old who is not signing up for the fordable care act is not thinking that when i'm sixty five i'm not going to get my social security check probably not enough yet but so you know if he's not signing up for it he actually may be doing a financial analysis that says it's not my benefit the shop just to sign up for obamacare i mean you again keep in mind that's that's sort of representative of the problem obamacare is something which says to a group of the population we're going to give you and we're going to find another group to pay for it i mean the young people are paying for the many things that they don't need and on top of that they're paying a very large price when they're really the the they should be paying the least i mean that's a summer's twenty three just graduated from college you know what is he going to expect or she's going to expect from medicare medicaid affordable care social

security will generically most of the politicians talk about the fact to lower your expectations significantly you really won't know what they are until you get you know in far enough into the future to see what the financial position the united states is but to give you an idea of how bad the numbers are we look at things like the outstanding debt which is now pushing seventeen trillion. dollars almost one hundred percent of g.d.p. however if you actually measure the problem actuarially the problem depending on your assumptions varies between mind numbers one hundred trillion dollars and the whole dr call of cough was very very well known to boston university's numbers close to two hundred trillion but what people don't realize is even the g.a.o. the government you know office has a number that is around seventy trillion right now so to put it in perspective the numbers vary between four and probably close to ten times the size of the actually actual measured problem so what can change that. well you've got to slow or again eliminate that you well know that well you can't and by the way i'm not advocating

eliminating i would advocate a couple of things i mean again one of the things about what i've said is this is a very emotional problem i might rise to young people is to sort of take a step back and try and put this on a principle basis right so nobody argues that there isn't a basic need to provide services. to a fairly large body of the population but that has to be put into the perspective of what you can afford number one number two who should pay for it how you measured payments like so for example i mean you can't hear a politician in washington talk about wealth without meaning in comp. well i think income and wealth are very very separate measures just because you have a high income doesn't mean you're wealthy or vice versa i would argue in a constitutional format that income should be used to pay for the country it's current operations where is because we've accumulated these massive liabilities we should be thinking of wealth now means testing as a way of doing that and that's sort of i think used as

a term that you're saying through people if you have a little money don't get social security won't get made don't get well or contribute and pay part part of that is part of the process of measuring you know when you go to the dollar going to be sold in hours i have a little money i would have no objection to not receiving my social security check i don't have i don't need that check right and you know neither do i and i think there's a there's a range of the population of can probably say that but i think number one there's a very scared portion of the population that's not sure where they stand you know once politicians start going down a road you don't know where it's going to end but again when i started this i mean this is something i've been arguing as you know for thirty some odd years and sort of my family. when i have a child and if you look at your child and realize what you're leaving them as a problem it should make the problem a lot easier to solve you know we now spend almost eleven dollars in social transfer payments for the elderly to about a dollar for every child a good

a good number over the next ten years just in growth terms the amount of incremental dollars we're going to be giving in transfer payments to the elderly is eight hundred almost eight hundred billion but to the children is twenty billion and you know you're asking things about what happens. you know if we're not spending money on infrastructure on education and other things of that ilk basically the united states will become less competitive less efficient which means even the assessment assumptions about how bad the problem are growth so you really need to put this into perspective. we want to make this economy operate at its best capacity that requires a better allocation of resources number one number two just general fairness issues i just don't think it's fair we've been promised you know that use the word in parliament we've been making promises to ourselves for forty or fifty years and the promise has been it's somebody else's expense i don't think that's appropriate you know again another point i think it's almost like taxation without representation

gets right the monarchy the british monarchy taxed its. you know an represented taxpayers you know centuries ago that led to this country and they did it across the ocean of space we're doing it across an ocean of time how come the socialist countries make it work well you can ask they do that well i think the socialist countries in various ways have much lower trajectories of income and growth and are far less vibrant you know they probably do the same out of asia we do some of them live long longer than we do but his age the only measure of you know how you know life expectancy be only measure you know look i'm not saying we don't put enough money into medical research for example probably it gets diverted a lot of a lot of the infrastructure for the last forty years more or less thirty percent of federal revenue streams went to pay for so sick for social programs and thirty percent on average went to pay for infrastructure at this point it's almost seventy

percent going to pay for social transfer programs and we're down to fifteen percent on infrastructure is there any think you're talking this political figure not even representative ryan basically comes out and by the way as a as does the president we we're not going to touch the promises and i'm going to use that in quotations to people over fifty five that's the class that has to be part of the solution if you don't solve the problem with them participating in finding ways to both reduce the programs and make them more efficient then there really is going to be a headache of such massive proportions that there really is so you know have to appeal to those over fifty five on the fairness question iraq i think most people would accept fairness don't ask me what i think i think most of us would accept fairness and i think most of us when you couch this in in an intergenerational format not only looking at yourself but looking at others listen this country is.

you know generous to a fault in many ways but if you put it in the right way you'll get at the bulk of another interesting number almost twenty five percent of young people of young people this country are children living below the poverty line of the thirty five largest industrial countries were like second or third worst i mean we don't look at our children we're telling them we want you to help pay for us to help ease our retirement but we don't understand that our retirements will be a lot better the more we help our children evolve in time space education and everything else in the interest of time going affordable care work i think affordable care can work it done correctly but again i wouldn't i would not carve affordable care out it belongs is part and parcel of of the benefit and social structure we want to deliver you know children are going to help protect their with us but you know nobody wants to look at times that how how we're paying for leaving

leaving the obligations again and letting them build up for the future to solve is a real problem you make a lot of sense nailed thank you very much are you optimistic person you should be pessimistic. i would say i'm hopeful but i think we have a lot of problems and i think the longer we wait on that let me put my financial hat on when you when you value an asset or a liability use present value the the change in the value of these liabilities stream just going forward from year to year is growing at almost three or four trillion dollars a year and it could be hard to pending on on on on on certain assumptions right the longer we wait the more the problem grows the heart of the solution to the problem becomes and the more painful becomes we have a very vibrant country we are creative we attract people i mean me in the store i used to work for the central bank of norway. they used to say wanted to come to norway it were a rich country they're very wealthy by the way no deficit will have

a great time i always ask every one of them where do you want to live and not one of them ever said nor they always want to live in the united states this country attracts people because we encourage success we were awarded success we were encouraged dreams we were award dreams we have to get this right if we don't get it right look we've been saying when you do hear this in public we're going to be the first generation to leave our children worse off than we would have been than we were and that's again i think that's a very very sad statement we should be shooting to make sure our children. are far better off in every way than we are is there any place in a country going to point do is got it right well norway's a good start norway is a country with no deficit it's free you have to serve well you know the kinds of weather you want to go down the global warming argument but you know that. actually warmer than new york city it's actually still moderated by the by the goal a dream so when the conference call but you know it's really hard to get up at ten in the morning and have it still dark and then when you walk out for coffee at two

thirty in the afternoon it's it's dark and when it was is sunny all the time in the summertime. you've been there i've been there a few times yeah it's a beautiful country and i'm so anxious to read this new you make too much sense it scares me thank you very much for an e-mail grossman and the book is generation w t f how well and the olds can stop the mushrooming costs in social security medicaid and medicare and if i might it's on it's on i was on a will be on i store so ok amazon on the i stores when we go back to dream of and the bend in the oval and stephen cohen and we'll talk about russia and the united states don't go away.

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than welcome to politicking with larry king catarina vanden who've only editor and publisher of the nation and stephen cohen russian studies professor emeritus at n.y.u. they are by the way celebrating their twenty fifth wedding anniversary congratulations thank you. catarina you don't use the name cohen.

you know our daughter is cohen i just think i had a life before steve though i can't remember it sometimes and i thought i'd keep the name that i've made my own so i was good to some british current guys to remove one of the what do you make of obama's doing revisions what do i make of that for the long trajectory of the perspective of you know nation which is not about so much the war room day to day but about trying to think through the big ideas of our time and infuse contemporary politics a little history larry i think you know these presidents go up and down and obama's ratings not in great form of course but i think some of the punditry is a little overwrought a little hysterical about how he's thinking stephen though there is a second term curse. you've got to understand what we have this rule at home that i'm not allowed to say a word about american politics true or fear of violating the wifely law and but you

know it's interesting about president obama i grew up in the segregated south. and when i voted for obama the first time to me it felt like such an act of historical justice. but i have to go on to say that as a professor of politics and history i see president obama as one of the great presidential candidates but i don't yet see him as a leader as you and i would remember some of the american presidents who clearly were of the leaders are i think the second term though it is sometimes a curse as you say larry offers him a second opportunity and oddly enough though he was elected to be a domestic affairs president is great opportunity at the moment seem to be abroad in reaching a nonmilitary settlement in syria and possibly finding

a solution to this vexing problem of iran's desire to build nuclear weapons so it's going to be a fascinating remainder of his second term and i think what historians are asking themselves is will he leave office as a leader or just as the first african-american president of the united states i think that's what historians are asking themselves catarina he has not and i'll get stephen's viewpoint obvious on this because that's his expertise with good thoughts on his relationship with mr putin. i think it's a very difficult one because us russian relations are at a difficult point i do think that what we saw in august larry was an extraordinary moment when we saw the possibility of a renewed u.s. russian relationship because of finding of nonmilitary alternative to syria the the military the chemical weapons issue in syria and we still don't know the full story

but there's no question that whether it was putin or a foreign minister sergei lavrov that the russians played a critical role in extricating the united states from what i believe could have been a terribly damaging military strike policy in syria what strikes me larry in the nation has been for one hundred forty eight years for seeking nonmilitary alternatives to conflict and it strikes me that we should be making more of how we can dismantle and destroy weapons of mass destruction chemical weapons without war because one of the great debacle is in my mind larry and the nation was one of the few media outlets to oppose the iraq war in two thousand and three is that we need in this current time to find nonmilitary alternative so the us russian relationship is going through difficult times steve will say more but as you look at nato expansion which is so off the radar in this country's discussion from the russian

perspective they ask after the end of the cold war why do we need this nato expansion why can't we find new ways of relating and respecting the dignity of each country obviously russia has internal problems personally as someone who spent many years in the ninety's working eighty's and ninety's working on russian women's feminist movements u.s. ties to those to see russia regress in terms of women's rights bt rights has been painful to watch but you know each country finds its own way larry and we found our own way in our own rights through social movements stephen was your view of the relationship. well i hope you don't mind the reference point there already but you and i have been through decades of this when i was on your broadcast many many years ago when it was still the cold war. we were discussing similar issues so we have to ask ourselves in what sense did the cold war really end with the

soviet union and i have a very harsh opinion of the way the american mainstream media particular the print media has reacted to russia since the end of the soviet union i think it's been in some ways less subject even less balanced than the media was the american media was during the cold war one of the aspects of that has been this utter demonization of russian president putin now he is not a democrat he is authoritarian but this presentation of and miss some kind of stalin or saddam as as as a as a bloodthirsty imperialist man simply doesn't match his record in thirteen years. when obama came to power. he wanted what he called a reset with russia and maybe it failed maybe it succeeded but it ended and there's

a debate who caused this reset or what you and i larry used to call detente they got all these new words but it's the same thing who caused it and moscow blames washington washington blames moscow but here's what's interesting and katrina made the point and the point was made to us to katrina and i me when we were in moscow last week by some of our friends that were before putin came forward with this plan that syria would turn its chemical weapons over to the united nations for total destruction. and that was putin's doing he compelled syria is partial ally to do this at that moment we were on the verge of a i have a reward against syria or if you remember obama was begging congress to authorize a military strike and it looked like congress even the democratic party was not

going to give it to him which would have been the collapse of obama's presidency i mean it would have been a total humiliation for obama at home and abroad so in that sense putin kind of saved obama politically and oddly when we were in moscow a guy we know who works for putin said you haven't find me and i said what for and he said for saving your president i mean he was joking but there's some truth in it so where are we now yeah now these two leaders obama and putin have a chance to build on that they're building on two blocks they're building on syria they're building in iran but you know better than i know that there's enormous opposition to that collaboration here in the united states partly by the congenitally and the russian lobby partly by the pro israeli as they call themselves a lot so this struggle now is under way there but i did three of this sunday trio see yeah trita obama has to worry but mr putin can do things by

edict. president obama and his secretary of state john kerry have turned to congress at this critical moment larry and said please don't start imposing more sanctions on iran it will undermine it will sabotage the potential of a historic diplomatic agreement that will make the world more secure that is in the end if we verify and monitor it carefully in the united states as national security interest you know it always pains me larry is that you see hardliners on both sides uniting and the people's voices don't get heard peace doesn't get achieved and i'm not talking just you know touchy feely i'm talking about the real possibilities of a resurgence of tough minded real in our national security diplomacy and i have found that very encouraging in these last months especially post syria so of course

obama has to work with congress but i wish we could have and there are some good people but too often the special interests whether it's on cuba or whether it's on russia or whether it's on the middle east special interest in congress don't represent the majority views of people in this country and that disconnect is a much longer tail which is another program i hope larry and when we when we have a lot more time in the future or to do a little more and is stephen what is the what are the people over a rush of global obama. you know there are a lot of people in russia one hundred forty five million and target we are already rushing. or i actually don't know their area i think they're they were puzzled to begin with russians are a little bit racist they have not had much experience with black people.

and so they were puzzled that americans would elect a black person as president at the same time many of them solve this is a confirmation of american democracy that it was really possible for america to overcome its history of slavery and segregation as a president they are puzzled because they don't understand what we call the separation and division of power you mentioned earlier that putin can do things by edict that's a little bit of an exaggeration but not much of one and often they don't understand why obama wants something whether it's this kind of health care or a treaty with russia and he can't get it because they think of congress as something that can to their parliament which they see as a kind of puppet institution manipulated but i think generally that they are interested in obama. in

a very serious way but they don't have very firm views and in the end don't forget this larry overwhelmingly russians are patriots so they will judge obama in the end about. as to whether they've been fair and decent and just was russia or not as we would judge oh and we are stephen katrina we're out of time but i want to do a lot more on this summer to call on both of you next couple of weeks thank you both very much a dream that and the bible and stephen cohen thanks for being with us on politicking with larry king. live. technology innovation all the developments from around russia. the future covered. britain's climbing

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