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say that the thirty earthquakes they have detected since last november the result of hydraulic fracking is really the price we have to pay for energy independence about that and more and it's a long liberal rubble also a low food is very cheap here compared to the rest of the world many americans struggle to meet healthy i was a possible that in the richest country in the history of the world people are still struggling with malnutrition and if we want to stop police brutality then we need to end the militarization of our police force tell you how we can do that and it's duly take. you need to know this this past weekend the last do not use water ban was lifted west virginia more than a week after the devastating chemical spill in charles theoretically that means the west virginian should be able to drink their water without any concern that it's

still contaminated but of west virginians are still concerned about their drinking water being contaminated and not getting much help. in there governor at a press conference on monday when asked by a reporter of the water was actually safe to drink and use democratic governor earl ray tomblin so it's your decision if you don't feel comfortable drinking or cooking with this water the news bottled water tom and added that i'm not going to say absolutely one hundred percent that everything is safe what i can say is if you don't feel comfortable don't use it he finished by saying that i'm not a scientist you know at the rely on the best information that i have this yesterday the company that owns the factory freedom industries company that's admitted to causing the leak and. so there's a second chemical spilled into the elk river as well but governor thompson doesn't seem too concerned about that either and isn't in any rush to hire more scientists to ensure that the water is safe he's saying that the people of west virginia should play scientist they should decide for themselves you know you figure out if

you're water and see if the drink good play at all tom and might be a democrat in this instance he's taking a very libertarian approach. and that comes with a lot of flaws libertarianism assumes that we're all capable of making these kind of complex kinds of decisions and assessing actual risks for ourselves but we are all scientists we can't decide for ourselves where the drinking water does or doesn't have a dangerous chemical in particular ones we can't taste or see the regulations to keep us safe before chemical spill and other disasters happen in europe governments and lawmakers proactively address problems and potential disasters to prevent harm to their people as the e.u. government describes it the precautionary principle enables rapid response in the face of a possible danger to human animal or plant health or to protect the environment in particular where scientific data do not permit a complete evaluation of the risk recourse to this principle may for example be used to stop distribution or order withdrawal from the market of products likely to

be hazardous all the very mention of the precautionary principle is enough to scare libertarians straight it's essential that we address problems before they happen not after so is what's going on in west virginia right now a classic example of how libertarianism is a flawed system let's rob. joining a precise low level rumble to carry it off executive editor with the daily caller and adam bitly director of online media william j. mccarthy and associates the guys for joining me tonight good to see you both let's start you heard my response to all you surprised by thomas response on most all of this leno and isn't this really the problem with libertarianism that it only what what works in the ad or harman or are doing in stay in states where the democrats control both houses of the lead i'd wager i'm not here is a. problem it's

a libertarian problem these democrats are going to overturn that's a silly. actually i prefer what tom was doing to what christie did during hurricane sandy where he actually brutalized for a while exiled residents of south jersey of the code the the barrier islands in the coastal areas there what is marked in the law doesn't live a fact that this water is poisoned and individual people don't have the ability to find out how dangerous it is and the governor is saying you be the scientists i'm not a sideline he's not a scientist he is not a scientist and i applaud him for saying so yeah he's being completely honest with the people he does or does it was not demonstrate how libertarianism which is wait until there's a harm he's not a liberal or how is he a libertarian he's a democratic governor and west virginia this is a good mother terri and this is true absolutely this is everything but you don't it's as against since you're telling me that because margaret byrd was around him are you trying to tell me that what a governor says to the people you figure out if you're water safe or not but he's

not taking a position that's consistent with a rand paul libertarians not he is not advising anybody to stay here telling me that he's something of any government evidence and it's position that has already issued recommendations lots of lots of agencies have already put out recommendations state and federal so he doesn't need to add anything he's just the governor is not a scientist he's not out there telling people take your chances with it i'm not going to talk ok so what he's saying is he's actually acting on data that he's had he's been told by his administration officials again aren't who aren't libertarians who are democrats that he brought in with him they're telling him well the water recording the studies that the government has done the water should be safe to drink if that's libertarianism. i'm completely wrong in my philosophy so you're fine then with big government having been doing the studies and determine you know i'm actually not at all comparable situation that all of a journalist should become scientists they're not what i'm saying yes yeah i am saying that i'm saying individuals should take as much responsibility for their own lives as they can including finding out what i have figured out what i don't even

know if there really was look if you know what they're getting with strangers are going to go through they're like locusts ok. everything's going to be sorted out i think it's going to be eaten bear up and they've got town so you're going to get what you want is not something that in time the governor has to tell people hey should i be drinking water should be using any water from the tap or not carney but i wanted to look up what he has paid out or if they die he's i really hope pretty well most of us always go hey he's got no money he's a he's a hustler and if anything this shows exactly that libertarianism is a collective a lawsuit field that i'm putting this shows exactly that libertarian libertarianism is correct which is don't post bugs it's all about monopolies do not trust what they civilians that people give money to this is that this is the whole they should hear this is a lack of regular government is going to come out look at this they would have seen the border around this thing they did go out big at the border only days are burning around that it has not been inspected by the e.p.a. the berm around that thing is not you know is crumbling well if it wasn't should they live by their own laws then yeah there's more than enough regulation and if it

wasn't forth then let people take it in the chops for not enforcing the regulations again it's a ok it's really going to hurt states figuring that every single corrupt thing that can happen happens constantly c.p.a. is apparently let them down speaking of regulation i had on my radio show today that the mare of as rule aczel texas and he didn't go but a whole bunch of people from his tell this little town of eleven thousand people in texas and they've never had an earthquake in the one hundred eighty or so years that there's a recorded history for that town never there was no knowledge of it and all of a sudden they had thirty earthquakes over about a four week period right after the start of fracking just outside of town and then they they said they've they've petered out over the last week and a week ago the the the state government came in and told the fracking company that it turned out the fracking company was actually lying about how much pressure they were putting into their waste injection wells pumping this waste water back into the into the soil and the government made them dial it back and the earthquakes

seem to have stopped but i mean again why are we allowing companies to internalize the profit. it's and then inject this poisonous water this fracking compounds that is poisonous toxic water back into the ground mares concerned about their groundwater he's concerned about earthquakes i mean this is. again there's a reason why european countries let's say you know when when when when i look at when i have it way experience a cold winter and a cold summer and then another cold winter and i was ahead of the overall thing is for real everybody tells me i'm not being scientific so you're taking one anecdote and saying that's the trend maybe it's so they're loving you know evidence that you know actually that interacting in history will acknowledge that fracking caused earthquakes in ohio i mean i think that fracking caused the earthquake we had here in d.c. well not that's absolute certain the earthquake in d.c. was caused by a one hundred year shift in the water plate and it happens every one hundred one hundred fifteen years that is not that we would rather you were not included it

could have been to do with shooting a lot of water into the ground we all know water is the most powerful chemical solvent known to man and it interacts with all the no matter what it was and then make every one hundred percent of the people who've been exposed to water have died so we know that putting a lot of light it is not so good the bad either as i said always always right out of a doubt because you know there's by how does oxide in our water system i am you know i'm maybe i'm humble about humanity the ability really to apply so much pressure to planet earth that it actually changes tectonic behavior or geo you know behavior it's it's it's pretty little beyond yeah isn't it isn't it i mean you know isn't there this old expression don't mess with mother nature and she exactly what you think is to assume that i find out our secrets that's my motto tortured nature of minutes from francis bacon who wrote shakespeare's plays you know he did i. so we did write that you know was there

a style of plato you know where you just say well let's just say that it's absolutely absurd to think that we have as large of an impact that you know every time. it's water these things happening and that we're causing massive earthquakes that all too we're talking we're talking to voters is the poisoned water it's not my concern is that but it's water has been poisoned and it's been injected into the ground not understanding very well water if you fracking it goes about it goes more than a mile it goes like eight thousand feet or it depends on where they're able to name it and then it goes out from there in even if it goes even wider than it went deep so i don't know maybe putting that much water over that big an area i talked to the american he said i didn't think it was if it were cracking you know this is the this is the important he said he didn't think was the fracking that was causing the earthquakes he thought it was the injection wells where they take the waste stuff from the french right the oil companies these gas companies they would have to pay and that's what this company got a lot of texas that's right for injecting too much waste into you know one hundred

eighty thousand gallons a minute or an hour some mind boggling number and and it's like why are we seeing the oil companies dispose of your own damn waste don't put it in the ground. you know clean it up. and pay for it why is it why is it that the american business model particular for the oil industry is we'll keep all the profits you guys pay for the navy to protect our shipping lanes you guys pay for the cleanup after after we're we desolated the end the land i mean why is because the because if you go there and get away with these are the most deeply in bed with government of all of the industry because they don't know if because they've been able to survive they've survived little of one hundred year i politicians ok we found something we agree on more on tonight's long liberal rumble after.

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what about this nice low low rumble joining me out in bitly and jim cavanaugh let's get back to it a study by researchers at the u.c. san francisco has revealed that people have access to guns have an increased risk of both suicide and homicide i mean the in fact people with access to guns are two times more likely to commit suicide or be killed that's one hundred percent more likely every year thirty one thousand deaths between suicides and homicides by guns fifty one point eight percent of suicides are gun related sixty six point five percent of homicides in the united states when australia after this in the one thousand nine hundred sixty water in tasmania and australia said ok that's it we're horrified by this they actually showed the pictures of the victims on national

television and john howard george w. bush's good buddy the conservative prime minister the very it to the right of the republican party prime ministers and anough. the states as they decrease the number of guns in the states tasmania was the first they did the biggest gun buyback and you want all across the country suicide rates and homicide rates decreased in each one of those states following the gun buyback program it was absolute relationship and to this day it has held this should we not say actually let me take it a step beyond that should we not say that because the second amendment is archaic right we said slavery was archaic right it was for another earth that we love you can see that the first is also are no i won't. think the first of all or didn't exist without the first of all we still have newspapers but we don't have slavery and the second amendment was passed to protect slavery. for you know the junior ratifying convention the virginians were the guys who were demanding that there be a bill of rights attached that was that was the time that is absolute sort of

everybody wanted to leave. and if they had have done so had they been allowed to exercise a second amendment right perhaps slavery what existed at me explain that mike in the interaction in that area claiming that new englanders don't want guns let me going to maine is a giant is. slavery and having let me let me make my point and you can i'll give you all the time you want to combat ok so it was the virginians who said we've got to have a bill of rights and it was the virginians specifically patrick henry and george mason who said we have to have it was the second amendment exactly ok here it and patrick henry's concern was that article one of the constitution article one section eight gives congress the power to authorize the military pay for the military in article two gives the president the power to call up the military exclusively and here is this is from the virginia ratifying convention seven hundred eighty eight virginia patrick henry speech he said will they not search that page he starts out he says among ten thousand implied powers which they may

assume they may if we be engaged in a war liberate every one of your slaves if they please in this state there are two hundred thirty six thousand blacks and there are many and some. other states may congress not say that every black man must fight did we not see a little of this in the last war the revolutionary war in fact they did they said if you're a slayer and you know you want to fight get free we were not so hard pushes to make emancipation general but acts of assembly passed that every slave who would go to the army would be free they will search that paper you talk in which the government the british army of the american the american army we had we had recently what the british army did get free that happened also with george washington they were there to go the right way there were a couple of generals who offered us southern states and it wasn't washed it was another i forgot his name anyway he says they will search their papers here for in the constitution this is where he's arguing for the second amendment they will search that paper and see if they have the power of manumission to free slaves and have they not sir had they not power to provide for the general defense and welfare

and may they not think that these call for the abolition of slavery may they are proud as all slaves free will they not be warranted by their power in the same situation i see a great deal of the property of the people of virginia in jeopardy that would be the slaves but it is is it practicable i any human means to liberate them without producing the most dreadful and ruinous consequences keep in mind patrick henry was the largest slave and state of virginia ok so isn't it time to say the second amendment is there that's why it says a roll over you laid militia being essential necessary to the security of a free state the state militias were called slave patrols in the southern states it doesn't say a free nation and they practiced gun control to keep arms away from slaves right and keep them in the hands of the militia who were they were delicious part of the population on all of those lots i know i mean there's all that's what i'm saying for a very negative and you're right why would she want to give away what i don't want to tell ever wanted to go i would you want to give away a right to protect yourself from falling into the exact same trap that we saw all

of our forefathers deal with which is the problem of us lavery why would you. why would you want to give away your protection your right i don't think that i have i don't think that i have a favor to leave right because you can have a gun because you labor is no longer against your thought of the united states are you going to try to sort of wall because you have the right to free speech if the right to a gun you have the right not to have troops quarter going your home without your consent. and you have a right against self incrimination and so on and so forth and in fact you supposedly have all other rights that are not specifically enumerated in the constitution i don't know how that worked out i don't want to but ones that were not slate so what's my point problem week the second amendment was written so that it says for the free state they wanted to make sure that the federal government wide open i suppose your constitutional rights of patrick anyone to be able to decide that i did enjoy nobody told not free they were right they only or they were northerners who controlled part of the bible been written out of history the first

six years of our country based on the first six years six peacetime years of our country were under this thing that the all you know you get its guns out of the articles of confederation no one sentence in your high school textbook to tell of it as a bank failures that economical i had but it is much time to say it was massive areas we no longer have the knowledge we no longer have a well regulated militia which is how patrick henry refers to the slave patrols we no longer have already led militia so it's not necessary for the security of a free state hubbard to keep to place a slave labor slave state and therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms and look and be a very small lab right there something that short and sweet and it's part of our law already going into the hands of best it should always reach right here i'm not sure i wouldn't be able to cry is over what's wrong with owning a gun tell me right now what is wrong with private citizens if all fighting citizens i want to go don't tell you very simply to go but we have started this first of all cities that will can speak to this speaking to some one yet again i don't question speaking to somebody who is a sports shooter i mean i use guns i am familiar with guns i would be unfair to

guns what do you gun i don't hunt i hunt targets and skeet i shot skeet. you know they are very. yes they're great fun actually but you know what i would say is that what we know is that homicide and suicide at least a significant percentage of the time probably in the neighborhood of thirty to fifty percent of the time are acts of impulse and if you have a deadly weapon at hand like yours or gone yeah right or not yeah or pil their voice and as i believe and what happened is i believe the right to commit suicide is one here under numerated right so if a handgun makes it easier for the hold out against you to see that's that's the problem a handgun does make it easier and most of the time when people are trying to commit suicide they're not actually trying to commit suicide they're yelling for help right now to take it over to snow you know to just you know the hour before their spouse gets home or they take you know whatever it is and what what they found in australia is that when they got rid of the guns suicide rate dropped significantly

and tom let's back out is what i thought was exodus of thunderdome i tuned out of australia ok but i will move on public union just to the supreme court heard oral arguments in harris quint and basically you know this is supposed to be this are the supreme court case was supposed to be about whether or not these home health care workers people who go into people's homes and work who are represented by a union and paid by the state whether they are state employees because they're paid by the state or whether they're independent contractors because they get to determine the times and places of their work and hours of their work but that's really not what got argued before the supreme court as you both know what really got argued before the supreme court was whether a public employees employees people who are being paid by the government should have the right to unionize and that's what the court is going to rule on just like with citizens united you know it was supposed to be about it about mccain feingold and it turned out to be about something all to give it was about compulsory unionization of public workers in a very specific instance in cases where in this state you're if you're

a relative care if this was the case that was brought might be required but all that yes we relied on the results of way attention to the specifics of the case because i had an actual in a minute. american standing up for his or her actual american rights these are people saying we shouldn't be forced to join this union because i'm taking care of my uncle i shouldn't need to join and going to actually read here about right i actually read the it's only ninety pages you know that the pleadings in the core yesterday were a whole bunch of the year yesterday and the attorney for the anti-union group the found mr harrison brought this thing forward was saying essentially in fact was asked you know right up front are you saying that you know public unions should not exist that public employees should have the right to unionize and he was essentially saying yes one saying we're trying to establish a totally legitimate argument i mean that was the that was the argument until the sixty's right that was basically what america thought ike didn't believe that the military should be able to unionize we didn't think that you know those guys even had very broad definition of military force back on and here trying to force coal

workers back to strike back to work on the basis that this is unnecessary and i don't we and we had eight years eight years of there's a lot of period it was a walk period of american history we don't want to go back there a big problem we want to keep public employees there's no doubt we want to we want to get rid of them they grew up in that period there are a fungus that so they are workers workers should not be able to organize a million illegals our union should have those how this did that when it can do the following things first they get public employees on board so they have the they represent the employees inside of the government they then turn around in campaign for the people that will be the manage that system look every job and you're going to lose its value the campaign public employees get one hundred percent of that lost value i understand and then look at third and that's what we're going to you're right you're right i dollars three the union can fund a campaign and basically pick their employer so but on the other hand the koch

brothers can say you know ok we've got this this factory and we want to have these regulations they can hope really could have been lurking but i knew they were somewhere what is the flip side of this if i'm say. and if you go to trial there if you want a nibble if your action the argument that you're making is this an anti citizens united argument the argument that you're making is about money in politics and if you're going to make an argument of money in politics i'm with you i'm so i'm saying let's say money is not protected under the first amendment it is not it is proper not something that is protected ok i'm going to help you get your message jethmalani is protected and why is he going to do about me not protect what's in it then why is the union's money not protected it is not free to spend it either is not forced to what you want if you want to judge them or you want to say that they're not shouldn't be about i'm going to hear your again you're going beyond the specifics of this case this as we're out of court now but your horse me when i didn't say you know i'm not sure i have that many family members i really feel like taking care of but if god forbid that should come to pass i would not want to have to join a union to do it that's what this case is about. but it's not when i do it sadly

members i would gladly give the air cover story are you not acknowledging the that there's a real probability that the supreme court is going to make this a lot bigger than just whether or not these people are are it's definitely possible and possible any candidate or contractor that they have a long history of the ottoman that they yet exist or does. pretty narrowly really sort of the united was narrow i mean they blew up one hundred years of stare decisis. here's what here's the problem going all the way back to ninety eight ninety seven of the tillman i mean it's you know they they tried to change things as little as possible even the kilo decision which i think is the worst of the supreme court decision of my ok i thought that once again something we agree on adam bitly jim cavanaugh thank you for trying thank you very much of good to see coming up if you tried finding health food lately in your local grocery store it's nearly impossible and what you eat what you do find is way overpriced luckily the dutch have found the secret to healthy food affordable prices we'll talk about their recipe for success after the break.

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