a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into khan's report. today on larry king now thinking alcoholism marital bachelor claudia christian dr jeffrey and dr sophy help us live the veil on one of the greatest killers in america it's one thing to deal with the symptoms of the disease which is the drinking there's another thing to deal with the underlying causes and yet in a medical school how many kids are taught about addiction and furthermore look at this twenty thousand things for cigarette smoking that go to for alcohol we're doing something wrong only one tenth of the people with a problem even looking for the treatment plus nothing is going to work until somebody is ready so you give them the menu and fast the one they pick that means they're open to it already it's all next on larry king now. welcome to larry king now

a very important show they nearly eighteen million americans struggle with alcohol abuse so dependency every day but. is there a cure for this addiction and that's what we're here to discuss with with us airways claudia christian star of the side by had babylon five clearly a succumb to alcoholism and after various forms of treatment she found one that saved her it's called the sinclair method she recounts that story in her new memoir babylon confidential we'll talk about this treatment along with others during this next half hour drive to addie jaffe is addiction diction expert and former drug addict he's director of research at alternative a program offering alternative approaches to helping patients reduce their drinking merit of baxter's the well known emmy nominee actors activists you know as the keaton family matriarch from the hit series matriarch rather from his series family ties talking so much we're out of time mary of the battle of alcoholism before

reclaiming her life with the help of the twelve step program and old friend dr charles sophy medical director for the l.a. county department of children and family services the nation's largest child welfare system i've done many programs over fifty four years fifty six years in brook hissing and never heard of the sinclair method what is that the sinclair method has a seventy eight to eighty percent long term success rate it involves taking an opiate blocker an hour before you drink alcohol so it's mostly for people they call it coping with alcohol in other words binge drinkers heavy drinkers that want to reduce but forty to forty five percent of people actually go one hundred percent sober on the sinclair method it's dead easy and it's counter-intuitive is all new to the pill is now tricks on our now machine now tracks on is the one that you get the united states now machine is available on the e.u. approved now machine with drinking and recently scotland put it on the n.h.s. the people who can get it in it's a prescription drug you can buy it online

a lot of people are reduced to doing that because doctors simply don't know about it very often visit wean you off or once you take it you don't drink. it causes what's called pharmacological extinction in the brain so you take it and over a course of three to six months you end up not craving not desiring not wanting to be the last man standing some people drink normal levels after taking it for a number of months other people go sober like i said it basically stops the compulsive thinking about alcohol and it also just keeps you from wanting to drink juice completely i drink a couple times a year but not much at all and i don't have the desire to who is singler dr david sinclair is an american scientist who moved to finland back in the one nine hundred eighty s. to study their strains of alcoholic rats and he stayed for forty years he's devoted his life to discovering extinction and using the basis based on the side effects the side effects that i've heard of our knowledge of sleeplessness and sleepiness in very few people to do or no i didn't really the only the first few times i took

it i felt a little blurry around the edges that was four years ago that goes away because my system was so clean i was sober for quite some time and also i have i don't take drugs or anything going to dissolve or use up to a human once well you can take it as you're drinking actually you can detox on it so you don't have to go to a medical detox a lot of people are doing that now because you can do it at home you take the opiate blocker an hour before you have your first drink of the day and eventually just drink less and less and less and less and less or is why pharma companies don't really want to support this because the more you take the drug less you need the drug so you can't make money off when you make in the jeffe well you know i think the idea of extinction is a great one and it's one that's been studied and taught a lot around drug addiction with the idea that once the drug stops being rewarding you'll stop taking it because we know that source rule reward mechanisms that actually drive addiction and yes we do know that when you block opiates but you the mule theater supper which is what no tricks on blocks we get reduced reward for almost anything which is by the way one of the side effects of people who are for sometimes about ten to fifteen percent of people who take no trucks on or what's

not part of the climbers above vivitrol which is long extended release no trucks on do or poor kind of feelings of the. pression and don't you know what you'd expect when you block your pleasure nor receptor in the brain i think i'm a big fan of any method that helps some people even recover from addiction right if yoga and exercise helps some people and i recommend in our treatment center we recommend that they engage in those activities because you never know what might work why isn't this widely known why is and did discuss their borders because we're able to examine the statistics of seventy eight to seventy to eighty percent in in every clinical trial and for the people that i've actually experienced it's been it's been higher than not but so those stats are for people who adhere very very strictly to their regimen which is means that they drink only an hour or more after they take the pill noncompliant noncompliant which you have to account for this the rates drop significantly because one of the problems we deal with stop and use disorders is people are non-compliant and so once you come for that the race become

a lot lower and the other piece is you know now texan been around since the mid seventy's we've known that it can help for this sort of thing for a while the problem is people don't end up taking the pill every time there's loads of they they do this out of this twenty two percent of small popular part of the population actually is genetically. they are not they don't react well to to naltrexone it doesn't affect them but the noncompliance was a huge part of that twenty two percent that didn't you know before we find out more of the story what is your reaction to this oh it's interesting i'm not unlike idiot dr jeff. you know i'm for anything that's going to move someone towards that we are in a i yes i meant all step program there's no i was anonymous will want to go public that i thought to be a nothingness when you know i am a sober person that is true and i you know for a visit whatever helps helps i think whatever helps helps i have a special place in my heart for the twelve step program because it's one thing to deal with the symptom of the disease which is the drinking there's another thing to

deal with the underlying causes and that's what i support through the twelve step program dr sophy where you. i think it was unclear i think it's an ok approach i think it's a behavioral approach where we're treating somebody and taking a behavior and we're just incentivizing them so we're making it not interesting but at the end of the day underneath in a lot of people there are some driving factors mental health problems other problems that may be ignored just because they stop drinking those people should definitely have dual treatments in a lot of the people that i deal with and that are on the sinclair method they say to me i didn't have a bad childhood i don't have those i'm not going through a divorce i'm drinking because i'm physically dependent on alcohol and i need to stop any you know drugs are having i drink socially in my twenty's and thirty's and then the idea of alcoholism in my family and it sort of crept into my late thirty's and i realized i had a problem in my late thirty's and then i just kept going into trying every single treatment everything from psychotherapy to a to hypnotherapy to diet therapy vitamin therapy i tried everything and i would be

nine months sober fall off the wagon ten months sober fall off the wagon six months off the wagon very little to a little of your story when did you start drinking john i don't remember exactly i had a few drinking in blackout deals when i was in my late teens but i didn't really pursue act out alcohol actively as oh if i drink this eventually it will do something for me in the early seventy's i think. when did you know you had a problem oh well after i was sober. i don't think i had a problem even though i was drinking openly finally on the sets of films i was doing really was cool. i was and i thought you were you really i thought i was cool mccollum i know it wasn't until afterwards that one of the producers who had been a good friend of mine for many years took me out to lunch and she said you know we're trying to cut this movie together and your eyes aren't focused and we can understand you. i was devastated because i thought all i had my life was in

shambles i was going through divorce and child custody stuff it was just wrenching and horrible and emotional and i thought the only thing i had left was my work so the fact that they were talking about me and having issues with me i thought i was in trouble so when she said we i really think you should call someone in a twelve step program and she gave me the names of people that i actually knew stunned that they were sober you see is the twelve step program a let me be different is it is a yes it is i'd i'll tell you i do not like to say i am a member of alcoholics anonymous put that out there as a public deal because if for some reason even though i've been sober fairmount time if i take a drink and someone sees me out they're drunk they're going to program alcoholics anonymous doesn't work i think i think there's an or there's an element to it where this is talking about that i think is an important piece of talk about it not everybody has a problem has the wherewithal the motivation the the drive the awareness to kind of

go hey i need to go to a physician and get this pill in denial and looks up to no i mean it can be even i could be just lack of awareness whether you're actively denying something we just don't know right you don't actually know but i think the reason is that it's important talk about these whether it's a technique is supposed to reduce your drinking or like we offer our control drinking sort of programs that help people either abstain or learn how to drink in a controlled fashion or to just out of stain for life whatever it is i think what we need to do is start expanding the menu in the new general thinking is that abstention is the only cure there's only been two drugs since the one nine hundred forty s. there's been one and to be used in fifty years later now trucks on i mean it's ridiculous we're really and yet in medical school how many kids are taught about addiction and furthermore look at this twenty three. wasn't things for cigarette smoking too for alchemy the dr sophy an alcoholic can never drink they should never drink because the effects it has on their brain but if they behaviorally can control it great for them but i haven't really seen a whole lot of that but here's the problem with the way i see it so the question you asked was an alcoholic should never drinking and right. yet we pretend like we

have some hardcore benefits of or ways to define what is specifically an alcoholic and we don't what we know is people experience alcohol based problems of subset of those have low grade problems and some of them have moderate palms of the others have severe and actually if you look at the s. and five now we moved away from the idea of you have an alcohol abuse problem and you're an addict or you're not calling all this sort of stuff it's it moves along the scale of why there's a continuum how do you define it well i define it as it's a substance that you put in your body changes your brain the way that you interact and it derails your life so depending on how much of your life then you get that level so if it doesn't derive your life's well you have a drug to drink every day and no effect well then that's the difference between use and abuse independence and if you look at all of that stuff across the so there are some people who could have three drinks a day and be fine and some people have one and they're beautiful and some of the genetics make that allow these sort of you can't really define it it's hard to do that it's an individual thing which is why you need not million probably is why you

need lots of different up we of his for a lot of the families because even those alcoholics who should never drink again their life the bottom line is out of the fourteen to fifteen million americans who have alcohol use disorder problems one tenth actually even seek treatment every year right so all we need to do is that's not their fault that's our fault we're doing something wrong if only one tenth of the people with a problem even looking for the treatment we need to expand the menu because even if what happens is people taking all trucks on try the sinclair method it doesn't work and then they go this didn't work for me i mean i need something stronger maybe they try a maybe try another method but we need to get them in the door and introduce we have to get them in the door somehow a lot of people use it in conjunction they they they become sober using pharmacological extinction. and then they go to meetings to support themselves or men will come robbery or when exactly so you can actually combining streetman which is wonderful i've heard the individual though lots of i know a lot of rehabs do recovery houses do that yeah yeah get you would get rid of the cravings and then put them in i was a meth addict so i'll call was an issue for me in high school and early college

where there was an issue for everybody i mean i respect alcoholics anonymous for the anonymity because when they started you couldn't tell people that there were fifteen alcoholics in the room there would be mutiny around why we letting these alcoholics gather right because they were sort of sort of seen as a treasure to society we need to move away in my opinion from this place where it's a shameful thing if you have these issues these are health conditions and if we can address them his health conditions when you have a health condition if you have a heart attack you don't go i don't want to tell anybody clean my physicians and we did at our time you want to get it taken care of you want to make sure it doesn't happen again you didn't know you were an abuser now to be told i look i thought i was taking care of business. you know work for me i didn't like the way i felt so i drank and i seem to feel a little bit better about stuff and even if i didn't feel better i acted like idea . was that the movie incident that that was it that was one that got my attention and i was thinking about this headache as i did make some calls and start going to meetings but if someone had said take a pill i go yeah take

a pill and that was easy i knew that but it would not have i would not have gotten just from what i and the little i understand about the sinclair method i wouldn't have gotten it if you know what i've gotten out of them to get to broke my you know the nearly eighteen million americans struggling with alcohol today as many as half of them will slip and relapse which treatment is right for you that's next don't go away. london. the whole world is on the whole. of the original

one but the one on the end. of the coin is that the link at the end of the street another one the more transparent society gets the money or the pot the tears become we see military and state and police forces mobilized against people who blend into the city hybrid the city the more people trust electronic devices the more defenseless the. fear that has a thousand i. find r t. i marinate join me. for kinda impartial and financial reporting carry on for news and much much. only on from past and on.

welcome back i'll call this the most commonly used addictive substance in this country one in twelve adults suffers from alcohol abuse or dependence more than half of all adults have a family history of alcoholism or problem drinking over seven million children live in a household where alcohol abuse or dependence is prevalent the sources of the national council on alcoholism and drug dependence more than half of adults have a family history seven million children live in the household. so there are around that absolutely a third to almost a half of the calls that we get in the child abuse hotline are because of alcohol substance abuse related issues within the home i teach that i teach express kelsey longreach and it's the psychology of addiction and i ask all my students to be in it how many people either have dealt with soaps use yourself or have a family member and every single one of them raise their hands not my parents no

not my not in my immediate right or did you not my parents know i grandfather one would think give children are in the home of an alcoholic who can be abusive or you see someone really drunk you do not want to turn to it you would think that and sometimes that happens but on the other side they're also learning how to cope and that's their role model yeah i mean that's children learn the behavior from people around them and right parents are the best teachers especially early on if you see that when a father has a hard time dealing with life they drink themselves so that they don't have to think about it that's what you learn to do even if you don't like it you know of any treatment is more effective than another or depends on what works for you i think that it is a menu and it's what works for you but i think the bottom line is the more severe it is in the longer and prevalent in the longer they've been doing it the more intense the treatment needs to be with a lot of support around this is not an easy disease it's not an easy issue to deal with and you need a support system and some people really need that twelve step a family of support around the lot of people are lucky enough to have it in within

their family unit which is wonderful i've run across a lot of people who have tried everything and then go on the sinclair method and they have a fiance or husband or wife or even children who say i want my mom back now i will support you in doing this even if it means watching them do the one thing they hate watching him do which is brant is amazing i think larry has a really really great your question about other treatments that are better than others right i mean there's been a bunch of studies asking that and the mass study obviously is one of the biggest ones that compared twelve step groups of c.b.d. to motivation has been therapy which were the big three at a time in the eighty's the answer is no they're all about equally effective but what we do know from research is that if you asked somebody here's a menu of options which one would you like to. you when they pick that one they are more likely to stick to it than the more likely to do better with and so even meredith when you were talking about if this was available the bottom line is we don't know what would happen if it was available and who knows what we universe write to you so you're here and you've got a lot of great stuff out of the tough stuff which is great but we don't know what would happen if another minute it was a feeling so i read i do now and then ready to read even back then they were

experimenting bill w. like vitamin three niacin therapy and drug therapy and was always scientifically hearing of yeah he was very scientifically interested in lots of things so who knows what would have happened we didn't know you were describing that this was that the sinclair method worked very well for you know a certain type of people and i was thinking that because i was someone who drank not to be a social drinker i mean that was nice if other people were now you know but i drink a lot on me and so i was going for the buzz and if if i didn't you know if i took the pill and that didn't you know and i drank and i didn't get the buzz i would have to go somewhere the you really mean yeah right you miss drinking i can drink if i want to drink but i don't want to drink so a couple times a year is maybe in maybe i'll have a glass of wine but an honestly it's doesn't when you heard in the wind do you feel you're going to go back to no god no in fact you usually can't even finish the glass of wine you miss it no no. you know what about when you're out

a group and they're all drinking doesn't get it you know it bothers me if i'm sitting next to someone on a plane and they have red wine or hard alcohol you know and i say no no no i scan stand the smell i want to show up i have i have not longed for it at all. this is surprisingly now and i smell cigarettes when i stand next to the person going to stand it you know i can't stand it but i think that's we find that a lot of the people for whom treatment actually works right the idea is not to what we call people on a will call this you know white knuckling it or something the idea is not to end up with a life where you hate it every single day and you just holding on to the table yeah wishing not to go get a drink the idea is to actually get a life that you really like have our clients learn how to drink moderately the point is not about the alcohol or drugs the point is do they like their life to do and the way they feel when they're not on alcohol because if they don't we've got an issue let's remember health is absolute and only getting rid of the thought of alcohol is important so you guys think the celebrity rehab centers where we hear about a boreas ninety thousand dollars

a month and stuff like that where they work if you're going to pay them i mean i personally wasted thirty grand on one and i was. getting you know nothing is going to work until somebody is ready so you give them and then you would fast the one they pick that means they're open to it already. couldn't have been around and i probably would have i don't list dollars in my life. and beautiful views help no addiction treatment pacifically but some people are used to a specific kind of lifestyle and they're not going to go to the centers that are you know in hospitals or hardcore place that is not going to go there so if that's how we get people and that's great i don't think there's anything to the there's no services in the offering you better get it right i think that's the pits sometimes where you hear they have cured alcohol right they've cured addiction of somebody that that's crap again is a is the most affordable and turning up there you see here they are free of us and they're all over there by the end i think you can cure yourself so to speak for a couple hundred bucks right so and by the way to just just we say this because there are absent is based non twelve step programs so smart recovery is an absolute as

base non twelve step arm's free self self-help group so that exists moderation management is a self-help free group of people are trying to control their drinking there's women for sobriety there's s.o.'s which is secular organization for sobriety there are a lot of self-help groups to help you if you want free help people important questions for all of you let's get to as many as we can. kill love on instagram is there are a number of relapses that are expected for someone starting recovery. i don't know of many relapses with the sinclair method there's no i mean it's hard to have a relapse when you're allowed to drink right now but i don't think there's a magic number relapse you don't go into a binge because that way seldom all on facebook wants to know what are some of the common factors that contribute to dependency mental health problems things in your life that you have not worked out in genetics those kinds of things really drive it and keep it going again j.-m. tenzin on twitter one of the biggest challenges alcoholics face when and during

a. i say being willing to be honest and honest is a big one. that you have to stand up at every meeting and talk at no no you downed that honesty is not to other people is to yourself to stop to stop lying to yourself about why you're doing things about what's happened to you what your life is fan and the story teller said a friend i work with who was an a and he when he would travel he would have to go to a meeting every day i mean he would go in the morning six o'clock in the morning go ten o'clock at night only hop on one of those what anthony hopkins still goes on what do you have to go review every day i go six days a week and i don't have to why do you go if you i'm not your family after my giving is not is not the goal isn't the goal define the kind of treatment the us she'd like it hearing to so that we don't end up with a life that you don't enjoy i mean it's not that's not a bad thing i go to the gym as much as often as i can during the week not because i have to because i like doing i'd be affected it gives me my life seven to steve on

twitter wants to know would love to know what natural not prescription remedies are out there for withdrawal effects withdrawal effects tapering of this body being on the air so i don't have i don't have a lot of my sleep acupuncture works great yet i get longer acupuncture works really really well especially for opiate would only it's it's amazing for opiate withdrawal for alcohol it's it has some effectiveness but it's not as most of you know i've made it on instagram how does the panel feel about the use of so box own for opiate addiction you know all today that i'll say i feel the same way about as i feel whatever the treatment that i've met people who have been homeless heroin addicts and they get on suboxone in their life gets better and then the same edition of suboxone is an opiate agonist so the activates opioid receptors suboxone activates and not as much as heroin or morphine but to enough of even the extent where people don't crave that opiates and for the same reason why people who are in a go to meetings for the rest of their lives some people end up on suboxone for

years and years these people don't like that but to me if you were homeless as a heroin addict injecting on the street and now you have a job in a family and you've just taken to a stripper it's your father your down up supply. think that's a success here it used to get it's just fifty goes on you're young take this pill is to shoot heroin you get almost as you have a lot of children alcoholics i do we have a lot of kids that are using substances but what age twelve eight they have kids in the u.k. being hospitalized five of them from alcohol poisoning the amount of drug dealers on school you know campuses brad think on twitter wants to know how many of addicts use alcohol for their pain issues because their doctors won't help them manage their pain that's really good question you know i don't alcohol is not the best paid really run the face of the earth so there are other i mean marijuana i know is used for pain pretty regularly and there are a lot of should be legal shouldn't we already had we already had that discussion i said you have it exactly because i think it should definitely be decriminalized for sure it should not be a schedule one of people should never go to jail for smoking weed it just it

doesn't really make sense. for police chiefs once in a convention in miami beach given the choice you could legalize one of the of no one or alcohol all observe it legalize marijuana they would make us dialogue all illegal and they say they never saw a murder committed with someone. make sure i'm out on facebook is it possible disagree question is it possible to be cured from addiction i think this gets us back to the question of how you define addiction i think we start defining addiction way too broadly and then it looks like people get cured from the classic sort of alcoholic state right they want really lifetime alcoholics i think if we get to those really really hardcore people to chronic lifelong drinkers. it's an uphill battle i think it's also the semantics of saying it i always say to people in the same clear method you're in remission as long as you comply using the word cure scares a lot of people because they say it's too cold it's not if you're here it's

a control just like a diabetic takes their insulin you take you're not trucks on before you drink if you drink example if you're too old to have problems like this thank you i think you thank you for a big thanks to our guests claudia christian dr jaffe meredith baxter and dr charles sophy remember you can find me on twitter at kings things see you next on. the world. science technology innovation all the list of melamine from around russia we've got the future of coverage.

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