hello welcome to me sophie shevardnadze the sochi olympics are finally underway exceptional in many ways the games are talented by the international olympic committee as having the toughest anti-doping policies ever at the same time there's a possibility political controversy may take attention away from the actual competition what is done with those who cheat for medals are the olympics a legitimate place for a political fight well. craig reedie vice president of the i.o.c. and head of the world anti-doping agency here and so. eight sets of medals are at stake in sochi. refused to five hundred. victory the pressure is intense. competitors to get to the top. of the sports. what is the dark side of the gold medal. sir gregory he had of the world's

anti-doping agency welcome to our show always great to have you with us now the new doping coach takes effect in two thousand and fifteen on the sochi games aren't affected by it so what special procedures are in place for these particular games. well the about operate under the existing code which was agreed to five years ago by the. and you'll the conference tomorrow conference on doping in sport people are perfectly clear on the regulations of the no the sanction period the testing procedures are all pretty established the new code changes some of these but as you say it won't come into effect until the first of january twenty fifteen i think the anti doping procedures are in short she will be good there is a satellite laboratory. from the moscow laboratory there will be outside experts to

help the staff of the moscow laboratory provide the sheriff and i think the assets of the world can be perfectly happy. that matters will be good but what exactly is going to be new in sochi. i think to the team that will be newish to the number of tests that the i.o.c. will do i mean you have to understand that an olympic games the whole drug testing responsibility lies entirely with the international olympic committee not with the world anti-doping agency. cation for the two winter games the i.o.c. want to do around two thousand three hundred fifty. controls two thousand three hundred fifty tests that there's a marked increase on the numbers that were done in vancouver four years ago so to that extent the pain fight is probably stronger the attitude of the i.o.c.

is probably stronger than it has ever be netter winter games before i did say that athletes are going to be randomly tracked down by testers for example. well. game i mean the rules are the possible for testing should be done. we will know the i.o.c. will know the whereabouts of the athletes. they are almost entirely in the olympic village if they are not to the national committee she will tell the i.o.c. where they are sure it's not a question of being trotted out in question of them being called for for so i don't think tracking down. the right phrase. obviously in competition. as part of the competition arsenal and big games the athletes are tested after the have competed so we know clearly where they are so many are there any sports that you have to mind her more than others like for example where doping is more

widespread as a matter less in team sports like hockey and warning individual disciplines like skating in general the waterline tito ping agency supervisors all sports. it would appear that. some sports that are more prone. to see two are prepared to take the risk of cheating that others. happened cation early in weightlifting for example the power sports. federation has done a great deal to make sure that the result of the issues one of the changes in the world anti-doping code going forward over the next twelve months. will be watching with the international federation to produce. a revised test program for them so that we will actually go through it sport by sport all are specific basis we will test for those substances which are most likely to cause

problems in individual sports. jews in the example somebody once said that. isn't much point in testing chess players for human growth hormone that's an extreme example but it will be the testing programme after a risk analysis will be specific so with a bit of luck that will meet the testing regime more accurate it would do it of luck it will make it more effective and it should probably make it slightly cheaper what's it like working with a washing tied up in agencies have there been a troubles along the way. well. i mean i was elected the first of january my experience. actually is based almost entirely on journey in the world that's left big ships in motion last august. i think a sea change in the attitude of the russians and to dropping authorities i think

they're much more active. seem to be dealing effectively with people who cheat people who test positive being by and from competition that are actually doing more for the anti doping community around the world would want them to do so on really rather encouraged just in the russian sports medicine at no time was very firm that this would be part of the russian sports policy going forward do you know of any case where it wasn't individual athletes cheating to get a had but there are national federation forcing them disaster happened. i think. some evidence. not necessarily the national federation but people in the us leech on to russia and it could be the people in the show there are sleet either known to or appointed by the national federation the new code will make

penalties those people on the old strict. much more effective and i think that's a move forward where you have probably thought about that as well why doesn't the threat of a ruined sports career stop athletes from using performance enhancing drugs i mean the news of suspension whether they're wall famous or not is all over the place right away and then everyone just looks at them as people who have committed crimes . well i wish i knew the answer to that. it seems to be part of. human nature that on occasions some people will cheat the drugs in society. and inevitably i suppose some of those drugs will be those drugs which are misused would also be misused in sport one of the complications of course is that most drugs are designed to meet people

who are on well better the abuse of these that is the issue. knew the answer to why you. were tempted all the time. surely the world anti-doping agencies life would be a lot easier if we do some show reception to try to identify the pressures i suppose the ultimate. in many sports. championships success and olympic games. passion or success perhaps passion or wealth but past those status in other sports in professional sports where people are rewarded very very well indeed that is a less pressure on them. by taking drugs. you know to sports. or awards available to baseball players or basketball players in the united states

a much much greater they would be to weightlifters in eastern europe. here i ravel as what is sad you have said that more efforts and intelligence is needed even mentioning x. f.b.i. agents working for you so what exactly does your intelligence department did do they spy on doctors and athletes infiltrate their teams. you know an intelligence is all about gathering information. can be done. with some difficulty. with in one country that is for example a very good intelligence unit attached to u.k. anti doping in london. whole range of different opportunities kate information they get it from the media. people can forward and give them information to get that kind of information across borders is actually quite complicated what we do as an agent or intelligence function is to use

a whole range of sort of independent information gathering we have built relationships for example with interpol. and that helps us find out where that is drug trafficking going on one of the recent examples of success would be down in australia where these jillian's customs agency found out that drugs were being imported into a stroller and clearly there were being used for sport for sporting purposes that nobody was happy with so it's that kind of thing we are not a police force looking at individual trainers sort of individual athletes we try to find out whether there are circumstances that would make cheating easier once we know it then becomes possible to take some. part of that take a short break now when we're back with sarah gregory to a member of the i.o.c. it had of the world entitled delving agency to talk about the mix of sports and

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good to have you with us here on t.v. today i'm sure. that we're back with sarah correct reading vice president of the international olympic committee so before we move on to another topic i would like to ask you one last question about the doping and this is a million dollar question if doping is such a big problem which it is because no one was really able to deal with it completely why not allow people to use stopes i mean it could make for more intense payment

competition and entertaining competition and big money bring more money to sports. race ofis the easiest question to answer that you've asked me there are three standards within the world anti-doping code for positive tastes to zero to three you have to be there one is the drug the other cheating is performance enhancing secondly that it is dangerous to the health certainly that it is against the spirit of sport so it's the second to that matter i think it is entirely unacceptable that we allow people to administer drugs to athletes which could be dangerous to their health and it is against the spirit of. but i want sport to be a contest between athletes not doctors and scientists and i will be doing everything as long as i am in this position to make sure that that never happens you know what my viewers are saying to their eye they're saying you know at the end of the day there is no professional sports man who is healthy at the end of the

road because they're all you know very ill people and we know that they have different traumas in in their sports carry injuries and also they're telling me you know there's a lympics is actually financed partially by mcdonald's which isn't necessarily the healthiest or the place in the world well i'm not sure that i. mean i know any number of olympians former speech and they are outstanding people they live in very healthy lives after their competition days are finished i mean there might be some sports that are more prone to continual injury boxing for example. i don't have the statistics in front of me. so. i don't think it's necessarily an issue as far as mcdonald's is concerned the international olympic committee sponsorship arrangements are such that without those sponsors it

would actually be impossible to run olympic games mcdonald's have always used more modern. healthiest menus when the facilities in. the olympic park in london for example they are weight of the issue the what very carefully all the time to make sure. the charge that they are unhealthy. to be in longstanding sponsors. and in many ways they have to sport very well. to other topics that you can ponder on do you think the olympic games is just an extension of politics. no i don't. international olympic committee sports organization. the olympic games to bring each of the world together in spirit of friendship of tolerance of respect. and i think that can do nothing

but good. the i.o.c. is set and we a way are. practically the same the do there could be a political reaction there could be political observation of what we do know we try to stay away from politics in a political sense we are a sports organization and we do much good i mean for example sport came out of the london olympic games stronger and as good a position as it has been for many many years it's a very good example of what we want sport to be what we want sporting events to be . people will leave shortly after they are coming winter games with exactly the same feeling i'm saying is that like a lot of people think that historically it is internal a to do with politics for example the black power salute hitler's games in munich all the boy cards that the press a boy called what was that all about if not politics but of course of course it was

the i.o.c. rule which says to us least me not me political gestures during games but caused by the black power example that you gave. the munich issue for me very sad because my very first night in the olympic games she was in munich all these years ago. as a dangerous and difficult world in which we live the i.o.c. takes security of the games to be a very very vital part of an organizing committee. dangers in the world we have to react to and we are aware that out horse government . sure the games are safe if that's politics then ok we have to live with politics i think it is sensible organization of a sports event the issue is the olympic games do show much regarded as didn't show much good. clearly people believe they are

a potential target again pleased to say that in london and twenty two of we were all well aware of the security risks security in london i think was slightly different from international security. than it is in sochi but i'm pleased to see that nothing happened. since munich i think has been one small. ninety six that was one small bomb went off in the olympic park since a lot of big games have actually been very safe now that many have accused rochelle being overprotecting when it comes to ensuring athlete and that our safety at the sochi olympics is there such thing as too much security. i speak from some experience having spent seven years on and on organizing committee . very difficult to win any argument with the security people of the country

because the security people will say well it might happen and you cannot prove that wrong. security is paramount as far as the country is concerned and is very important as far as the sea is concerned what i hope will happen a confident absolutely confident that the sochi games will be secure what i hope will happen is that once it becomes clear that they are safe the committee will be able to control the amount of security and to control the arctic should serve the. people who are doing the security to create a very happy l.b.o.'s of the games that's a very. it's a difficult balance to get right but it can be done why do you think some while the errors are refusing to come to such a setting political reasons while they have no problems for example going to beijing. i've always believed. that the

games are a hugely outright. event in world sport i think. always been the policy of the host organizing committee and the country to welcome the athletes of the world the whole of the olympic family and in fact anybody else who wants to come people decided not to come in many cases it is their passion or decision that is perhaps domestic politics rather than anything else the i.o.c. stage well away from it well i.o.c. stays away from that but viewers get the sense that these games may be play to size do you think politics involved in the king's make them more entertaining to watch or does it hurt the spectators. spinsters being that if there is a political argument in the buildup to a game that it stops about five minutes after the first sports competition starts

after the stories are all about sports stories before a game is frequently some form of political spade whether it is international politics or in many cases domestic politics you know how much money has been spent on the organizing committee good bad or indifferent kind of thing as soon as the games start all of the stops and it's all sport. so i the i.o.c. is used to it we've experienced it before. and i don't think the fight the politics of being. a media story in the build up to the games that makes them more interesting or less interesting i see. this sport takes over and olympic sport is outstanding wonderfully attractive. as can be seen from the huge television audience that we heard in london the huge television audiences we were. why do you

think cities everywhere are soaking to hell lympics when most of them they can't really afford their budgets suffer like the financial consequences can be quite harsh i'm thinking one reality took them like forty years to pay off its debt yeah i mean it is part of the sort of folklore of the olympic movement montreal lost a fortune the games in montreal actually broke even what didn't break even was the capital construction that went into montreal to build the facilities which has lasted and has been of benefit to the people of montreal for every day of the forty years since they had people should understand that there are two budgets involved here one is the budget of the organizing committee to put on the games and the second is the budget of either the host city of the host country to provide the fisher the there is no reason why the i.o.c. should build ai shrinks for people in russia that should be done at any time what

happens is that countries and cities use the fact that they're running their games as a catalyst to build a new sports facilities that was very true in london if you look at the london experience i think there was only two there were only two fifty meter pools for swimming in a city with a population of seven million people. that are more there's another two built in the olympic park so the games are used as a catalyst for development and development and the facilities last for the next forty fifty years. simply to the olympic budget just really quickly if there seems to be a trend in the olympics that the current games always feel like they're better at. in the previous ones what do you think makes this a lympics better than salt lake a banker or not gatto. on the twenty fourth of february when i when i head for home . you know looking at the looking at the build up i can't remember

a winter games where there was such a concentration of the ice sports in the one place as there is in the coastal region in short she. absolutely outstanding effort and the facilities are world class by anybody's standards and i'm not sure that has happened in quite this same scale in previous winter games if you go up to crush then you're building effectively a completely new. sports resort up there so certainly the investment being made will be of huge advantage to winter sport in russia for many years to come and some of the facilities which will move from by shrinks to be exhibition centers or whatever will be a terrific state to the people of the region she sarah craig reedy vice president of the international olympic committee had of the walls anti-doping agency was great to talk to you and sophie and co and we all hope that this winter

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