no i will leave that to the state department to comment on your latter point so it's if. they do no more weasel words when you have a direct question are you prepared for a change when you run should be ready for a battle. of speech and down the freedom to cast. hello welcome to sophie and kill me sophie shevardnadze the sochi olympics are finally underway exceptional in many ways the games are talented by the international olympic committee as having the toughest anti-doping policy is ever

at the same time there's a possibility political controversy may take attention away from the actual competition what is done with those who cheat for medals are the olympics a legitimate place for a political fight well we ask sir craig the vice president of the i.o.c. and head of the world anti-doping agency here and so. he refused to. treat the pressure isn't. that it is. what is the dark side. sir gregory he had of the world anti-doping agency welcome to our show always great to have you with us now the new doping coach takes effect in two thousand and fifteen on the sochi games aren't affected by it so what special procedures are in

place for these particular games. while the about operate under the existing code which was agreed to five years ago by the. and you'll the conference tomorrow conference on doping in sport people are perfectly clear on the regulations of the no the sanction period the testing procedures are all pretty established new code changes some of these but as you say it won't come into effect until the first of january twenty fifteen i think the anti doping procedures in sochi will be good there is a satellite laboratory. from the moscow laboratory there will be outside experts to help the staff of the moscow laboratory provide the charities and i think the assets of the world can be perfectly happy. that matters will be good but what exactly is going to be new in sochi.

i think the same that would be newish to the number of tests that the i.o.c. will do i mean you have to understand that an olympic games the whole drug testing responsibility lies entirely with the international olympic committee not with a water line to dope in agency and for this occasion for these to enter games the i.o.c. want to do around two thousand three hundred fifty a controls two thousand three hundred fifty tests that there's a marked increase on the numbers that were done in vancouver four years ago so to that extent the anti doping fight is probably stronger the attitude of the i.o.c. is probably stronger than it has ever be netter winter games before i did say that athletes are going to be randomly tracked down by testers for example. well at a game i mean the rules are that possible for change should be done.

we will know the i.o.c. will know the whereabouts of the asset each. they are almost entirely in the olympic village if they are not to the national committee she will tell the i.o.c. where they are sure it's not a question of being tried out in the question of the mean called for for testing so i don't think tracking down is the right phrase. obviously in competition. as part of the competition not settle in big games the athletes are tested after the have competed so we know clearly where they are so many are there any sports that you have to mind her more than others like for example where doping is more widespread doesn't matter less in team sports like hockey and warn individual disciplines like skating in general the warranty jumping agency supervisors all

sports. would appeal to. some sports that are more prone. to see to are prepared to take the risk of cheating that others. happened cation early in weightlifting for example the power sports. federation has done a great deal to make sure that the resolve the issues one of the changes in the world anti-doping code going forward over the next twelve months. will be watching with the international federation to produce a. revised test program for them so that we will actually go through it sport by sport all are specific basis and we will test for those substances which are most likely to cause problems in individual sports. did use an example somebody once said that. much point in testing chess players for human growth hormone that's an

extreme example but it will be the testing program after a risk analysis will be specific so with a bit of luck that will meet the testing regime more out hit it with a bit of luck it will make it more effective and it should probably make it slightly cheaper what's it like working with a russian anti-doping agencies have there been a troubles along the way. well. i mean i was elected on the first of january my experience. actually is based almost entirely on judy in the world does let it shine pete ships in motion last august. i think is a sea change in the attitude of the russian dropping authorities i think they're much more active. these seem to be dealing effectively with people who cheat people who test positive being by and from competition that are actually

doing more of what the antidoping community elrod the world would want them to do so i'm really rather encouraged cheston the russian sportsman. was very firm that this would be part of the russian sports policy going forward do you know of any case where it wasn't individual athletes cheating to get a had but there are national federation forcing them disaster happened. i think. some evidence. not necessarily the national federation but for people in the us each on to russia and it could be that people in the show there are sleet either known to or appointed by the national federation the new code will make penalties on those people on the old strict. much more effective and i think that's a move forward where you've probably thought about that as well why doesn't the

threat of a ruined sports career stop athletes from using performance enhancing drugs i mean the use of suspension whether they're wall famous or not is all over the place right away and that everyone just looks at them as people who have committed crimes . well i wish i knew the answer to that. it seems to be part of. human nature that on occasions some people will cheat. the drugs society. and inevitably i suppose some of those drugs will be those drugs your child misused could also be misused in sport one of the complications of course is that motion drugs are designed to make people who are on well better it's the abuse of these that is the issue. knew the answer to why you. were tempted all the time you. actually the world anti-doping agency's

life would be a lot easier we do some show show reception to try to identify the pressures i suppose to the ultimate. in many sports. championships success in the olympic games. passion or success perhaps passion or wealth passion or status in other sports in professional sports where people are rewarded very very well indeed that is a less pressure on them to feign by taking drugs. you know. never absolutely. means that awards available to baseball players or basketball players in the united states a much much greater than they would be to weightlifters in eastern europe. here i ravel what a sad you have said that more efforts in intelligence is needed even mentioning x.

f.b.i. agents working for you so what exactly does your intelligence department did doctors and athletes infiltrate their teams. you know an intelligence is all about gathering information. can be done. with some difficulty in a within one country for example event a good intelligence unit attached to u.k. anti doping in london. whole range of different opportunities kate information they get it from the media they have official blower link people can forward and give them information to get that kind of information across borders is actually quite complicated what we do is in egypt intelligence function to use a whole range of sort of independent information gathering we have built relationships for example with interpol. and that helps us find out where that is drug

trafficking going on one of the recent examples of success would be down in australia where the customs agency found out that drugs were being imported into a stroller and clearly they were being used for sport for sporting purposes that nobody was happy with so it's that kind of thing we are not a police force looking at individual trainers at individual athletes we try to find out whether there are circumstances that would make cheating easier once we knew it then becomes possible to take some action then take a short break now we're back with sara gregory the member of the i.o.c. and had of the world anti-doping agency to talk about the mix of sports and politics in the olympics moment stay with us.

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played. live clinton. now we're back with sarah correct reading vice president of the international olympic committee so before we move onto another topic i would like to ask you one last question about the doping and this is a million dollar question if doping is such

a big problem which it is because no one was really able to deal with it completely why not allow people to use stopes i mean it could make for more intense payment competition and entertaining competition and big money bring more money to sports. sophy's the easiest question to answer that you've asked me there are three standards within the world anti-doping code for positive tastes two out to three you have to be there one is the drug the cheating is performance enhancing secondly that it is dangerous to the speech health subtly that it is against the spirit of sport so it's the second to that matter i think it is entirely unacceptable that we allow people to administer drugs to us leach which could be dangerous to their health and against the spirit of sport i want sport to be a contest between us leach not doctors and scientists and i will be doing

everything as long as i am in this position to make sure that never happens you know what my viewers are saying to that right they're saying you know at the end of the day there is no professional sports man who is healthy at the end of the road because they're all you know very ill people and we know that they have different traumas in that in their sports injuries and also they're telling me you know there's a limb pigs' is actually financed partially by mcdonald's which isn't necessarily the healthiest or unless the place in the world well i'm not sure that i agree with me and i know any number of olympians. they are outstanding people they live in very healthy lives after their competition days are finished i mean there might be some sports that are more prone to continual injury boxing for example. i don't have the statistics in front of me. so. i don't think it's

not necessarily an issue as far as mcdonalds is concerned the international olympic committee sponsorship arrangements are such that without those sponsors it would actually be impossible to run olympic games mcdonnell so always used more modern. healthiest menus when they put facilities inside. the olympic park in london for example they are weight of the issue of the what very carefully all the time to make sure that the charge that they are unhealthy. water to be in longstanding sponsors. and in many ways they have sport very well. to have a topic that you can ponder on do you think the olympic games chest an extension of politics. no i don't the international olympic committee sports organization. the olympic games bring each of the world together in spirit

of friendship of tolerance of respect. and i think that can do nothing but good. the i.o.c. is certainly a way of. practically everything we do there could be a political reaction there could be political observation of what we do know we try to stay away from. but you could say we are a sports organization and we do much good i mean for example sport came out of the london olympic games stronger and as good a position as it has been for many many years that's a very good example of what we want sport to be what we want sporting events to be . people will leave shortly after they are coming winter games with exactly the same feeling when i'm saying is that like a lot of people think that historically it is internal a to do with politics for example the black power salute hitler schemes and uni all

the boy cards that the press aide way called what was that all about if not politics but of course of course it was the i.o.c. have a rule which says ask each me not me political gestures during games but caused by the. example that you gave. the communication is for me very sad because my very first night in the olympic games she was in munich all these years ago. a dangerous and difficult world in which we live they i.o.c. takes security of the games to be a very very vital part of our dog and could be. dangerous in the world and we have to react to it and we are aware that our horse governments will make sure that the games are safe if the politics then ok we have to live with

politics i think it is sensible organization of a sports event the issue is the olympic games do show much good regarded as doing the show much good. clearly people believe they are a potential target again pleased to say that in london and twenty twelve we were all well aware of the security risks security in london i think was slightly different from international security. than it is in sochi. but i'm pleased to see that nothing happened. since munich i think has been one small. ninety six there was one small bomb went off in the olympic park since a lot of big games have actually been very safe you know that many have accused of being overprotective when it comes to ensuring athlete and that our safety at the sochi olympics is there such thing as too much security. i

speak from some experience having spent seven years on and on organizing committee . it's very difficult to win any argument with the security people of the country because the security people will say well it might happen and you cannot prove that . security is paramount as far as the country is concerned and is very important as far as the sea is concerned what i hope will happen a confident absolutely confident that the sochi games will be secure what i hope will happen is that once it becomes clear they are safe the committee will be able to control the amount of security and to control the attitudes of the. people who are doing the security to create a very happy l.b.o. of the games that's a very narrow balance and difficult balance to get right but it can be done why do you think some world leaders are refusing to come to such

a sad and political reasons while they have no problems for example going to beijing. i've always believed. the games are a hugely. in world sport i think. always been the policy of the host organizing committee and those countries . to welcome the athletes of the world the whole of the olympics and in fact anybody else who wants to come people decide not to come in many cases it is their passion or decision that is perhaps domestic politics rather than anything else on the i.o.c. stage well away from it well i.o.c. stays away from that but viewers get the sense that these games may be play to size do you think politics involved in the gangs make them more entertaining to watch or does it hurt the spectators. my experience has been

that if there is a political argument in the build up to a game that it stops about five minutes after the first sports competition starts after the stories are all about sports stories before a game is frequently some form of political spade whether it is international politics or in many cases domestic politics you know how much money has been spent the organizing committee good bad or indifferent that kind of thing as soon as the games start all of the stops and it's all sport. so i the i.o.c. is used to it we've experienced it before. and i don't think that fight the politics of being. a media story in the build up to the games that makes them more interesting or less interesting i think this sport takes over and olympic sport is outstanding wonderfully attractive. could be seen from the huge television

audience that we had in london the huge television audience for sochi why do you think cities everywhere are soaking to help stay lympics when most of them they can't really afford their budgets suffer like the financial consequences can be quite harsh i'm thinking come on reality took them like forty years to pay off its debt yeah i mean it is. part of the sort of folklore of the olympic movement montreal lost a fortune the games in montreal actually broke even what didn't break even was the capital construction that went into montreal to build the facilities which has lasted and has been of benefit to the people of montreal for every day of the forty years since that people should understand that there are two budgets involved here one is the budget of the organizing committee to put on the games and the second is

the budget of either the host city of the host country to provide deficiency there is no reason why the i.o.c. should build ai shrinks for people in russia that should be done at any time what happens is that countries and cities use the fact that they're running their games as a catalyst to build a new sports facilities that was very true in london if you look at the london experience i think there was only two there were only two fifty meter pools for swimming in a city with a population of seven million people so now there are more there's another two built in the olympic park so the games are used as a catalyst for development and the development and the facilities last for the next forty fifty years. i did simply to the olympic budget just really quickly if there seems to be a trend in the olympics that the current games always feel like they're better than the previous ones what do you think makes this makes better than salt lake bank or

and i doubt i'll. shut down the twenty fourth of february when i when i head for home. you know looking at the looking at the build up i can't remember a winter games where there was such a concentration of the ice sports in the one place in the region. absolutely outstanding effort and the facilities are world class by anybody's standards. i'm not sure that has happened in quite this same scale in previous winter games if you go up to treasure pollio then you're building effectively a completely new. sports resort out there sure certainly the investment being made will be of huge advantage to winter sport in russia for many years to come and some of the visuality. to be exhibition show or whatever will be a terrific shape to the people of the region she so craig greedy vice

president of the international olympic committee had of the world's anti-doping agency was great to talk to you on sophie and co and we all hope that this winter olympics will be all about sports and nothing else will see in the next edition of so stay with us. obviously more for the latest because it's pink. when they wanted to avoid great they really needed. this is the one that i want to go with.

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