right. and i think. hello welcome to sophie and komi sophie shevardnadze the sochi olympics are finally underway exceptional in many ways the games are talented by the international olympic committee as having the toughest anti-doping policy is ever at the same

time there's the possibility of political controversy may take attention away from the actual competition what is done with those who cheat for medals are the olympics a legitimate place for a political fight well we ask sir craig reedie vice president of the i.o.c. and head of the world anti-doping agency here and so. far it's taken. over fifty five hundred people it's a victory the pressure to win is intense. competitors. can there be sports. what is the dark side of the gold medal. so greg brady had of the world's anti-doping agency welcome to our show it's great to have you with us now the new doping coach takes effect in two thousand and fifteen on the sochi games aren't affected by it so what special procedures are in place for these

particular games. while the about operate under the existing code which was agreed to five years ago by the. end you'll the conference tomorrow conference on doping in sport people are perfectly clear on the regulations of the no the sanction period the testing procedures are all pretty established new code changes some of these but as you say it would come into effect until the first of january twenty fifteen i think the doping procedures are in short she will be good that is a satellite laboratory established from the moscow about a tree there will be outside experts to help the staff of the moscow laboratory provide the charities and i think the assets of the world can be perfectly happy. that matters will be good but what exactly is going to be new in sochi.

i think the theme that will be new is to the number of the i o. she will do i mean you have to understand that an olympic games the whole drug testing responsibility lies entirely with the international olympic committee not with a water line to dope in the agency and for this occasion for these winter games the i.o.c. want to do around two thousand three hundred fifty a controls two thousand three hundred fifty tests that as a marked increase on the numbers that were done in vancouver four years ago so to that extent the anti doping fight is probably stronger the attitude of the i.o.c. is probably stronger than it has ever be netter winter games before i don't say that athletes are going to be randomly tracked down by testers for example. well at a game i mean the rules are that possible far should be done.

we will know the i.o.c. will know the whereabouts of the ass each. they are almost entirely in the olympic village if they are not to the national committee she will tell the i.o.c. where they are sure it's not a question of being tried out in the question of the mean called for for testing so i don't think tracking down is the right phrase. obviously in competition. as part of the competition not settle in big games the athletes are tested after the have competed so we know clearly where they are so many are there any sports that you have to mind her more than others like for example where doping is more widespread doesn't matter less in team sports like hockey and warn individual disciplines like skating in general the warranty jumping agency supervisors all

sports. it would appear that. some sports that are more prone. to see two are prepared to take the risk of cheating that others. happened cation early in weightlifting for example the power sports. federation has done a great deal to make sure that the result of the. one of the changes in the world anti-doping code going forward over the next twelve months. will be watching with the international federation to produce. a revised test program for them so that we will actually go through it sport by sport all are specific basis we will test for those substances which are most likely to cause problems in individual sports no jews in the example somebody once said that. isn't much point in testing chess players for human growth hormone that's an extreme

example but it will be the testing programme after a risk analysis will be specific so with a bit of luck that will meet the testing regime more accurate it with a bit of luck it will make it more effective and it should probably make it slightly cheaper what's it like working with a russian anti-doping agencies have there been a troubles along the way. well. i mean i was elected on the first of january my experience. actually is based almost entirely on judy in the world doesn't let it show big ships in moscow last august. i think a sea change in the attitude of the russians ninety dropping authorities i think they're much more active. these seem to be dealing effectively with people who cheat people who test positive being by and from competition that are

actually doing more for the antidoping community all round the world would want them to do so on really rather encouraged just in the russian sportsmen. was very firm that this would be part of the russian sports policy going forward do you know of any case where it wasn't individual athletes cheating to get a had but there are national federation forcing them disaster happened. i think each. day some evidence. not necessarily the national federation but for people in the us each on to russia and it could be that people in the show there are sleet either known to or appointed by the national federation the new code will make penalties on those people on the old strict. much more effective and i think that's a move forward where you've probably thought about that as well why doesn't the

threat of a ruined sports career stop athletes from using performance enhancing drugs i mean the news of suspension whether they're wall famous or not is all over the place right away and that everyone just looks at them as people who have committed crimes . well i wish i knew the answer to that. it seems to be part of. human nature that on occasions some people will cheat. the drugs in society. and inevitably i suppose some of those drugs will be those drugs or child misused would also be misused in sport one of the complications of course is that motion drugs are designed to meet people who are on well better it's the abuse of these that is the issue. knew the answer to why you. were tempted all the time. surely the world anti-doping agency's life

would be a lot easier if we do some show show reception to try to identify the pressures i suppose to the ultimate. in many sports. championships success in olympic games. passion or success perhaps passion or wealth passion or status in other sports in professional sports where people are rewarded very very well indeed that is less pressure on the. face and by taking drugs. you know. never absolutely. means that awards are available to baseball players or basketball players in the united states a much much greater they would be to weight lifters in eastern europe. here i ravel what a sad sad that more efforts in intelligence is needed even mentioning x.

f.b.i. agents working for you so what exactly does your intelligence department did doctors and athletes infiltrate their teams. you know an intelligence is all about gathering information. can be done. with some difficulty in a within one country that is for example a very good intelligence unit attached to u.k. anti doping in london the. whole range of different opportunities to cait information they get it from the media which will blow a ruling people can forward and give them information to get that kind of information across borders is actually quite complicated what we do is in egypt intelligence function is to use a whole range of sort of independent information gathering we have built relationships for example with interpol. and that helps us find out where that is

drug trafficking going on one of the recent examples of success would be down in australia where the customs agency found out that drugs were being imported into a stroller and clearly there were being used for sport for sporting purposes that nobody was happy with so it's that kind of thing we are not a police force looking at individual trainers sort of individual athletes we try to find out whether there are circumstances that would make cheating easier once we knew it then becomes possible to take some part of that take a short break now when we're back with sara gregory to a member of the i.o.c. and had of the world anti-doping agency to talk about the mix of sports and politics in the olympics in the moment stay with us.

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support european union and this is what they're talking about people are falling over themselves immigrants are falling over themselves to get into great britain because they know the rest of europe is the boss. it was terrible they are looking very hard to take on. once again on a life that are facts that make their lives. only.

please. please. let them apart. now we're back with sarah correct reading vice president of the international olympic committee so before we move on to another topic i would like to ask you one

last question about the doping and this is a million dollar question doping is such a big problem which it is because no one was really able to deal with it completely why not allow people to use stopes i mean it could make for more entertainment competition and entertaining competition and big money bring more money to sports. sophy's the easiest question to answer that you've asked me there are three standards within the world anti-doping code for positive taste to zero to three you have to be there one is the drug the other cheating is performance enhancing secondly that it is dangerous to the health thirdly that it is against the spirit of sport so it's the second to that matter i think it is entirely a lex septa board that we allow people to administer drugs to sleep which could be dangerous to their health and is deceptively against the spirit of sport i want

sport to be a contest between athletes not doctors and scientists and i will be doing everything as long as i am in this position to make sure that that never happens you know what my viewers are saying to their eye they're saying you know at the end of the day there is no. national sports man who is healthy at the end of the road because they're all you know very ill people and while we're not they have different traumas in in their sports carry injuries and also they're telling me you know there's a limp excess actually financed partially by mcdonald's which isn't necessarily the healthiest or the place in the world well i'm not sure that i. mean i know any number of olympians former speech and they are outstanding people they live in very healthy lives after their competition days are finished i mean there might be some sports that are more prone to continual injury boxing for example. i don't know their statistics in front of me. so. i don't think it's

not necessarily an issue as far as mcdonald's is concerned the international olympic committee sponsorship arrangements are such that without those sponsors it would actually be impossible to run olympic games mcdonald's have always used more modern. healthiest menus when the facilities in. the olympic park in london for example they are way to the issue of the what very carefully all the time to make sure that the charge that they are unhealthy. to be in longstanding sponsors. and in many ways they have to sport very well. to have a topic that you can ponder on do you think the olympic games is just an extension of politics. no i don't the international olympic committee is

a sports organization. the olympic games bring each of the world together in a spirit of friendship of tolerance of respect. and i think that can do nothing but good. the i.o.c. is certainly a way of. practically the same we do there could be a political reaction that could be political observation of what we do know we try to stay away from politics in a political sense we are a sports organization and we do much good i mean for example sport came out of the london olympic games stronger and as good a position that has been for many many years it's a very good example of what we want sport to be what we want sporting events to be . people will leave shortly after they are coming winter games with exactly the

same feeling saying is that like a lot of people think that historically it is internal a to do with politics for example the black power salute hitler schemes and uni all the boy cards that the press a boy called what was that all about if not politics but of course of course it was the i.o.c. have a rule which says a speech may not meet political gestures during games but caused by the. example that you gave. the munich issue for me very sad because my very first night in the olympic games she was in munich all these years ago. as a dangerous and difficult world in which we live she takes the security of the games to be a very very vital part of an organizing committee. dangers in the world and we have to react to it and we are aware that out horse governments

will make sure the games are safe if the politics then ok we have to live with politics i think it is sensible organization of a sports event the issue is the olympic games do show much good regarded as didn't show much good. clearly people believe they are a potential target again pleased to say that in london and twenty twelve we were all well aware of the security risks security in london i think was slightly different from international security. than it is in sochi but i'm pleased to see that nothing happened. since munich i think has been one small. ninety six there was one small bomb went off olympic park since a lot of big games have actually been very safe you know that many have accused rochelle being overprotecting when it comes to ensuring athlete and her safety at

the sochi olympics is there such thing as too much security. i speak from some experience having spent seven years on and on organizing committee. it very difficult to win any argument with the security people or the country because the security people or say well it might happen and you cannot prove that. security is paramount as far as the country is concerned and is very important as far as the sea is concerned what i hope will happen a confident absolutely confident that the games will be secure what i hope will happen is that one seat becomes clear they are safe the organizing committee will be able to control the amount to see kuti and to control the attitudes of the. people who are doing the security to create a very happy l.b.o.'s of the games that's a very narrow balance

a difficult balance to get right but it can be done why do you think some while the errors are refusing to come to such a setting political reasons while they have no problems for example going to beijing. i've always believed. the game is a huge. event in world sport i think. always been the policy of the host organizing committee country to welcome the athletes of the world the whole of the olympics and in fact anybody else who wants to come people decided not to come in many cases it is their passion or decision that is perhaps domestic politics rather than anything else the i.o.c. stage well away from it well i.o.c. stays away from that but viewers get the sense that these games may be politicized do you think politics involved in the games make them more entertaining to watch or

does it hurt the spectators. spinsters being that if there is a political argument in the build up to a game it stops about five minutes after the first sports competition starts after the stories are all about sports stories before a game is frequently some form of political spade whether it is international politics or in many cases domestic politics you know how much money has been spread and the organizing committee good bad or indifferent that kind of thing as soon as the games start all of the stops and it's all sport. so i the i.o.c. is used to it we've experienced it before. and i don't think the fight to the politics of being. a media story in the build up to the games and makes them more interesting or less interesting i think this sport takes over an olympic sport is

outstanding wonderfully attractive. can be seen from the huge television audiences that we had in london and the huge television audience for sochi why do you think cities everywhere are soaking to help stay lympics when most of them they can't really afford their budgets suffer like the financial consequences can be quite harsh i'm thinking come on reality took them like forty years to pay off its debt yeah i mean it is part of the sort of. movement montreal lost a fortune the games in montreal actually broke even what didn't break even was the capital construction that went into montreal to build the facilities which has lasted and has been of benefit to the people of montreal for every day of the forty years since that people should understand that there are two budgets involved here

one is the budget of the organizing committee to put on the games. and the second is the budget of either the host city of the host country to provide deficient there is no reason why the i.o.c. should build ai shrinks for people in russia that can be done at any time what happens is that countries and cities use the fact that they're running their games as a catalyst to build a new sports facility that was very true in london if you look at the london experience i think there was only two there were only two fifty meter pools for swimming in a city with a population of seven and a half million people so now there are more there's another two built in the olympic park so the games are used as a catalyst for development and the development and the facilities last for the next forty fifty years. cost i did simply to the olympic budget just really quickly if there seems to be a trend in the olympics that the current games always feel like they're better than

the previous ones what do you think makes this a lympics better than salt lake bank or not gatto. told the twenty fourth of february when i when i head for home. you know looking at the looking at the build up i can't remember a winter games where there was such a constant trace of the ice sports in the one place in the region. absolutely outstanding effort and the facilities are all class by anybody's standards and i'm not sure that it has happened in quite the same scale in previous winter games if you go up to crush napoleon or then you're building a effectively a completely new. sports resort up there so certainly the investment being made will be of huge advantage to winter sport in russia for many years to come and some of the facilities which will move from by shrinks to be exhibition

centers or whatever will be a terrific. to the people of the region she sara craig greedy vice president of the international olympic committee had of the world's anti-doping agency was great to talk to on sophie and co and we all hope that this winter olympics will be all about sports and nothing else we will see in the next edition of sophie and stay with us. is obviously more for the ladies because it's pink. women wanted to avoid rate

they really need to buy guns and learn how to use them. this is the one that i'm going to go with them once again as the field full of women definitely the target of the gun lobby one you don't kill them when you're killing money but if somebody would you would just prefer. i'm noticing more and more and that's really scary marketing tactics which implies that women have some sort of moral obligation to own guns to protect their family and young girls shoot out here too so we do have a pink or. more kids young kids choke on food than are killed by firearms if being armed made us safer in america we should be the safest nation on earth were clearly not the safest.

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keep them coming russia gets its first ever medal in short track speed skating with the man who won the bronze promising more victories are ahead meanwhile in the olympic fashion. because it is the home team because they are in russia with the crowd around them it was great to share the symbolism with everyone we reveal the special features of the judge. will pull on for their first matches. switzerland cannot pick and choose which agreements to follow on immigrants threatens to invalidate treaties with the e.u. . there's a lot of this to have been forgotten we're just clare.