member is has to play to the base but wasn't it also that way well it gets worse and worse because of jeremy and during every ten years according to the census you have to redraw the lines so it was inevitable that at some point with more and more gerrymandering drawing these lines districts would become me but it used to not be that everyone lived in a mostly republican or democratic area but because we keep changing the lines that's what is happening so now you if you're the now quit if you're a republican you can't have your picture taken with president obama it'll screw you up in the next primary so therefore they don't even talk to each other anymore they don't socialize with each other there's no one wants to compromise because the lose the next primary which is why the republicans leave in control of the house but the democrats with the national action yes closer the way it's set up right because larry it doesn't matter exactly. so you where obama could be unpopular and win another election just on the way the system sets up exactly should we change the

system well there should be yes there should be a better way to draw congressional lines absolutely and there the problem is in order to change the system you would have to have congress vote for it well congress women aren't going all women aren't going to vote to change a system whereby they're currently getting elected that's the problem with reform the people who have to pass the reform are the people that are in power because over the long. you recently said that you thought. that president obama was hated i think there are some people who think so ford rosebel i know was hated and yes circles no i took his racial. i think for some people it is you know we can't be naive there are there are people that just can't accept the fact that we have an african-american president obama's sure some people like him but those are yeah and that's yeah i don't think anyone really disagrees i'm not saying overwhelming

number of people don't why is he hated it's not rational and i think it is because of that race because they just don't think people ought i mean just think about it when have we ever had a president well he's not one of us he doesn't he's not an american citizen he's not i mean all of a birth is all of this stuff there's something in the back where you just can't accept the fact that there are people who can't accept the fact that he's our president and it's visceral it's not rational because if you think about it rationally why would you ever hated barack obama you could disagree with this policies but is he a hateful person he's a loving husband a great father he's very very bright he made it on his own under incredible circumstances to become president of united states why is there anyone among us who wouldn't want him as a son to say oh my god look how proud i am of this young man he becomes editor of the harvard law review i mean this is the perfect resume the nicest warmest you

know he's good with sports got a great voice i mean everything you want to be as it is a guy growing up when you want to be like barack obama so why do you hate him disagree with his policies and say you know i don't know that we should go. is this man going to go to hell because the greatest criticism against him is he tried to get health insurance for all americans i mean even if you don't like the particular affordable health care act and think there's a better way to do it why do you hate him because of it you know you think god is going to say to him you're going to hell because i heard you drive to get health care for everybody. i mean it's great was. so bizarre the americans disapprove of his politics and a part of it is true as well i don't know if a majority you know i don't think a majority of americans disapprove of his politics i think that. believe me if there was another election he'd win again ok so that always have it

happened in the first term and then he goes and wins again so that week to week poll the truth of the matter is number one most americans like the president add most americans would probably in the because you see here's the thing we love to give conservative speeches because somehow that makes us think we're more adult when more responsible but the truth is liberals always when in the end the country ultimately and evidently becomes more liberal we're far more liberal than we were ten years ago twenty years ago fifty years ago so in the end conservatives will always fight. efforts at becoming more liberal but in the end they lose and then they adopt example a republican voted against social security and every republican exactly the conservatives for decent social security they fought civil rights rights they for equal rights for women they fought against. decent working i mean organized labor

got it their medicare everything but eventually and they fought against gay rights gay marriage who would have thought ten years ago that gay marriage would be legal in america so anyway and you know it's inevitable so you could you can say you're a conservative you can say you're a right winger but your kids are going to grow up and the next generation is going to be more liberal and that's a reality thoughts news is the number one cable news yes yet it doesn't elect people right so what is its clout or is it well it's only a three g. did acquire it preaches to the choir and credit to roger ailes he found a perfect business model he says you know cable news which is never going to have the audience that you know that you know we say the number one cable station but what three percent of america watches so ninety seven percent of america is not

watching fox news so it's not like they're great powerhouse they're great powerhouse within the cable community no question about that but most people don't watch cable news so it becomes irrelevant to the public discussion but once again people want to think it's more impressive to say well i'm kind of conservative you know more and i can go into the richest wealthiest most conservative communities and their kids are listening to the same music watching the same television going to the same movies dressing the same way you know smoking marijuana when their kid parents aren't watching you know telling you. debate all you want we are far more liberal today than we were on the motorway that's going to be legal of course everything liberal to mckinley wins why and there's a reason for it because human beings by their nature do not want to be told what to

do and they want to expand they want to try new things they which was years ago a republican concept they gave it up i don't know me what to do yeah yeah but now all of a sudden they want to tell you what to do in the bedroom they want to tell you what to do with your life style they want to tell you who to marry that's the problem the. christie thing is if i go well i don't have any more information than anyone else has you know outside the immediate family there but obviously if it was just the bridge thing in the beginning i think he could have survived it. but as soon as it became an issue about whether they played with sandy funds that kind of course is the line because the american public look if he were running for president no one in kansas is going to worry if two lanes going into the tunnel you know in new jersey we're going to

block for a couple of days it's just not going to be a national issue but you start messing if he did messing with funds when there's a national disaster and using that for political purposes that is pretty difficult to rebound from so i think and one other thing on that he's kind of in a bind and it's look he may be innocent. but he's in a bind because the republicans aren't coming to his defense because all the other republicans they want to be president also he'd have trouble getting the nomination when he goes into states like south carolina and georgia in the sellwood me yes because he's a centrist way they have the primaries set up it would be difficult for a moderate republican to get the nomination there's a civil war going on within the republican party as there was in the democratic party in the eighty's with mcgovern and jesse jackson if you think good salaries for the taking the nominee well as of today the nomination yes the nomination

the general election the country is divided it who knows who the republic if the republicans nominated ted cruz or someone like that yeah then hillary wins but if they pick a more moderate jeb bush that would be a tough race that would be tougher and so he could go back to clinton bush again and but it wouldn't jeb bush hillary race be kind of a race on issues and probably not go into the gutter and what it would be eternally would be a cleaner race absolutely the tea party was very own. i mean it was that it would be an independent here and they be a third party candidate i think that's probably right i think is probably right i would think as of today hillary's the next president but you know. we've both seen it in our lifestyle all we have is that he had no idea the tabloid. that's a show on the investigation discovery channel one of the discovery channel network

part of the discovery network it's a crime show weekley crime show where once a week we take a major crime that was a major headline over the last twenty thirty years and look at it to now shall we look at the whole background of of the story because normally with the headlines you get just that the headline a few sentences and then they were off to the next story this is really reenacting this crime what new information is there and what has happened to be able to sense yet and it's really to start well it's been on for three weeks now and it's been their top radio station yeah it's on id channel thursday night at ten now in central utah that if you are many things to jerry for joining me don't forget to check out his new show tabloid on the investigation discovery channel thursdays at ten eastern nine central as he just said getting two plugs in politicking continues after this.

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those that. are. joining me now an old friend the former governor of florida charlie crist a one time republican turned independent turned democrat his new book the party's

over how the stream right hijacked the g.o.p. and i became a democrat slams the republicans and offers what he calls a hopeful alternative to today's bitter extremes he joins me from orlando that having you with us charlie larry it's great to be with you always a pleasure thank you so much joy get into the book you recently said that you believe the cuban embargo has not worked and that you want it lifted a lot of people starting to think that way but you once believed that it would change your mind. i mean you know over a period of time you know you lead a policy have an opportunity to work to be productive and if that doesn't happen after a certain period of time i think that logic and common sense tell you that you need to try something else you know larry they say the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result while i think it's time to try something different big. as the result that we've gotten is not working at all and so i think it's time to move on we need to lift the embargo and help the people of cuba why do we in model them now

what is the what would be the answer to the end but why do they defend it. oh well i'm i think it's because of the dictatorship and that's why i supported it in the past to fight the dictatorship that has been so oppressive to the people of the island and has imprisoned people on fairly and unjustifiably that's the argument for originally having the embargo but i think we've been over such a period of time now that the people who are really suffering are the people of cuba and so that's one reason i think that we ought to look to number two we have some own that in fact in other parts of the world where we have been constructively engaged like eastern europe that things can change and so i think it's very important that because of the people and trying to have them not have to suffer anymore larry that constructive engagement is the kind of thing that can bring a brighter future to the people of the island and the fact that the policy hasn't

worked number three those three things together relieved me to the conclusion that it's time to i'm to try something different trying to side try to try something better and do something that's more productive for the future i listed in the book how the stream right hijacked the g.o.p. and i became a democrat the party's over why do you write it well i wrote it just to explain this journey i've been on you know i've been a republican most of my life that i became an independent now i'm happy to be a democrat and the point of the book is just to lay out that journey and it you know talks about a lot of interesting stories and conversations with people i've had a unique position larry i mean to be able to be at the highest levels of government and politics on both sides of the aisle is fairly unique place to be and met a lot of good people and some people not so good and by. i think it's an interesting read and i think that what has happened with the republican party especially over the past five years or so really is what has led me to this

decision to become a democrat i've never been happier politically to be honest with you being a democrat today in florida is a wonderful thing for me and my wife carol and i'm just much more comfortable there the republican party really the leadership of the party went crazy i mean you know the they are described now as anti women anti immigrant anti minority anti-education anti-gay couples anti you know environment i mean the list goes on and i've never seen anything like it and i know there are plenty of good republicans still out there my mom and dad still happen to be but the leadership of the party is the just say no group you know whenever the president wants to do something unfortunately the party just wants to stop it and it's almost a logical why while you or republican. because i was raised that way i mean it's kind of the same reason i'm a methodist larry and i talk about this in the book that you know so many people in our country are really are led at least you know out of their youth into their

young adulthood to a political party to a religion and that's kind of how it was for me mom and dad were republicans so i was a republican and you know at the time i was very proud to be a republican because you know that was a party of abraham lincoln the great emancipator i mean the party of teddy roosevelt who founded our national park system and you know the environment's always been important to me i'm a floridian and it's important to most floridians and i think most americans frankly but the notion of abraham lincoln and the things that he said and stood for fairness fundamental fairness for all people regardless of race creed or what have you that was very attractive to me because my my mother and father charlie and nancy raised my three sisters and me to try to be decent to other people to do and to others to be compassionate to be caring and when the republican party at least the leadership of it started to go into a direction that didn't seem to reflect those values if i was going to be true to

my core and my own values i couldn't stay and so i'm very happy to be a democrat you couldn't work from within and drive the change it. well i tried for a while but it was getting nowhere and it was getting worse to be perfectly honest with you and you know the more i saw it the more carol and i witnessed you know during my campaign in two thousand and ten for the senate it was it became so apparent to me that the leadership of the party and the real strong activist in the party were just out of touch and you know jack kemp's one of my favorite political figures in our country don't quarterback to like me and he was a great republican great guy and he used to talk about the republican party needed to be a big tent what we've seen today is the republican party's become a pup tent and it's sad it's sad but i'm an optimist and i'm a happy warrior and i look forward to my campaign for governor here in florida this year and glad that you'll be in florida and in

a few days when how's that campaign going by how many in the democratic primary is my history and brought about eighty guys run. well there's only two right now and it's going very well very pleased with how the campaigns go on we've raised more money than any democratic candidate for governor has at this point time in the history of florida and that's going back to eight hundred forty five we've been ahead never poll that's been done over the past year i don't know if that's ever happened before maybe it has but not in recent history certainly so the answer is it's going incredibly well i think we have a great shot to win the people need somebody in the governor's office that cares about them and i think the issues will focus on will be ethics number one education the economy and the environment and i'm excited about the race i look forward to it how would you describe florida politically now politically for this purple i mean you know it's about evenly divided republican independent and democratic and one of

the largest rising groups really are independent voters in florida but having said that when you compare the two part. the republicans and the democrats there's about a five hundred thousand advantage to democrats in florida over the republican party so it's a more democratic party although that democratic majority has had a hard time getting through i mean we have a republican governor republican house republican senate republican congressional delegation republican cabinet but things are changing in florida and they're changing rapidly we continue to have a huge influx of people larry we're the third almost the third largest state in the country have been the fourth for a while about to surpass new york to be the third largest state in the country with california first then texas soon to be florida and a lot of our new immigrants and our new residents are democrats and that continues to grow you on the gay marriage situation in florida you supported overturning the

gay marriage ban and i know you nationally support where do you stand on gay marriage i support it and i like the president i've supported civil unions for a long time larry and i saw the president do his interview with robin roberts a couple of springs ago and he said you know that he had been giving this issue a lot of thought a lot of consideration and that he had come around to the view finally you know who am i to tell somebody else who to love or frankly that for that matter who to marry and i feel the same way. you know it's not my place as a fellow human being to tell other people who they should love or marry. and my goodness even the pope not long ago said who might a judge on this issue so i think we're entering an age of great lightman i'm excited about that i'm happy about it you know we're all god's children so let's treat each other that way what are your comments on the former fund raiser and convicted ponzi scheme operator scott ross steen testimony he said the judicial

nominations were up for sale when you were governor. yeah well he's wrong he's a liar he's in jail for fifty years for being a liar and that's that. period here. pretty much where you make legal problems. your governor christie is facing. when we don't know yet you know i used to be attorney general so i'm not quick to judge we don't know what all the facts are it doesn't look good i can tell you that and you know the bridge closings or whatever may have happened that's not a good thing and if he knew about it it's terrible you know to be oppressive toward other people for a political reason or for any reason is not a good thing and so i hope it isn't true but on the kind of person who feels that you have to have all the facts in before you make a judgment or reach a conclusion and so soon enough will know what all those are they got about fifty

investigations going on time will tell you admired former governor jeb bush did you not. if he were running against hillary and you were governor of florida who would you support well if i win i'm going to be a democrat i think that jeb would make a good president i think hillary would make a great president. so. so there you have it her well you support hillary yes correct as a democrat i like great better than good as a democrat yeah as an american as a floridian how did the tea party happen. that's a great question i think a combination of things larry i think number one i think it was economically driven the economy was going into the tank and as we know historically when you have a challenging economy it allows for new and sometimes odd ideas to enter

people's thought process and i think that was a big component of it another thing that may have added to it and it's sad to say this but i'm going to say it we had just elected our first african-american president and sadly i think that there is an element that's out there that is not happy about that and so i think those two things kind of maybe with some other. passions or concerns may have brought about the tea party movement. and that's what i think probably happened. now where does it where does obama care stand in florida . but well it's not a good place because we have a governor that's trying to thwart it at every turn unlike the governor of kentucky governor beshear he's doing a great job they have great navigators they're moving forward on it they're being very productive people are signing up in rapid succession here in florida rick scott is standing in the way of it there are no navigators are not helping at the

not assisting it but his entire career larry you probably know this has been based on health care and making big money off of health care in fact he was the head of his firm h.c.a. colombia that ended up having to pay the largest spine for fraud in the history of the united states of america at the time one point seven billion dollars fine for what they call up coding and up coatings kind of a fancy word for charging too much i used to be the attorney general we would have called it that and that's what it is and that's bad it's just a bad thing. why puzzle me and many others why as as a civilized country did it take so long for us to have any kind of a national health care plan you know well there's a lot of strong forces you know that wanted that not to happen and wanted to continue to profit from it we all know about that i mean health care is incredibly expensive and what the president has fought for affordable health care has been

a difficult task and this is the only presidents it's ever gotten it done and other fine presidents have tried to do it in the past president clinton among them. but but president obama got it passed it was sort of five by the united states supreme court this is where we are it has taken a long time but my hats off to this administration for achieving it now whenever you do something big it's not easy and it takes time to get it all right and get the kinks out but i'm confident that they will and i'm happy for the people of florida and america that this is finally come to pass charlie the best of luck thanks for joining us thank you larry always a pleasure to be with you hope to see in florida soon me too charlie crist the book the party's over the stream right hijacked the g.o.p. and i became a democrat thank my guess the day don't forget i want to hear from you join the conversation on my facebook page and share your thoughts on twitter by tweeting. using the politicking as today that's all for this week's politics.

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