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live pictures from kiev where at least ten people have been killed among them three police officers in the deadliest wave of violence to hit the ukrainian capital since the start of the recent unrest are breaking news. this is not international within twenty four hours a day live from our studio center here in moscow where just a midnight and ten pm in kiev where the capital is saying the deadliest wave of violence since the protests began with clashes coming just a day after the government amnesty for protesters came into force these live
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pictures right now as i say just after ten pm on a tuesday night there in kiev as the protesters continue. after a deadline has passed when the authorities did say that they would crack down and clear the city center well i'm now joined live in the studio by political analyst alexander private. first of all do you really you've been following the developments all day bring us up to date on what's happening. what appears now to be a tragic day for the country absolutely it's not only tragic day you can say but also possibly historic day while at this point we're looking at hundreds possibly injured among them hundred sixty police officers who have been injured at least a hundred thirty five of those are in hospital at this point is what we're here what we're hearing the numbers however do have a tendency to change from time to time three police officers have been killed and fact this was the first day when police have officially confirmed that indeed the
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opposition the protesters the writers have been using live ammunition that is i would say vitally important in this particular point development in the ukrainian story at this point we're also know that kiev has been closed off from any access to it so it means that you cannot get in the car and drive there. there are reports that i haven't been able to find any confirmation but there are reports that. air. traffic is being rerouted from an airport which supposedly has also been closed off from receiving flights and the ukrainian authorities are saying that is because they're trying to keep this issue ration from escalating further into mayhem and if you look at the pictures it's kind of interesting to see how more grave it could possibly get ok reno will get more from you in a moment to talk about the implications of consequence of the causes of all this without its all the coverage but i do know that we can cross live to our
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correspondent. who is now in kiev alexy have you managed to make it to the city center we spoke about forty minutes ago when you're trying to make your way to much of the protests. happening there look do you see where all you. have been a lot of accounts a little more than half an hour to get literally took to cover three times just needed to get inside an independent square very tense and here we can see black smoke we can hear trance bang grenades exploding from scientists time it is very unpredictable pockets a way to go and become an even jihad on the other side of the square where. there's a t.v. crews and cameras and set up their life trucks and satellite broadcast for us to be able to go live from here we cannot get there because the whole area cordoned off either by the police or by the protesters but now i'm standing by one of the barricades that people here are telling me that there's no conflict whatsoever to that place where we need to go so it's a very very tense here we tried to get closer from the other side of the square the
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cordon of the police told us that they're not letting anyone inside only for only but the residents of. all those buildings which are close to the square but you have some people to get inside also we do know that the government of ukraine has issued a curfew on the entrance to the city by mother by many called by most of the cards are they saying that the access to that city limits will be pretty much restricted thought until midnight which is an about two hours from now also in hour from now we're expecting talks of the opposition and the country's president because i'm a college but it's really hard to say whether this will be able to somehow pacify the burning hell which is not happening at the independence square trying as a burning husain's of voting and it's very very tense in here and just just briefly alexi is there any sign of a crackdown by the authorities after all that deadline has passed and they did say the streets had to be cleared of protestors is there any sign of that. what were
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you hearing were bored by by could procure her vital gripe you know that. her body could have been soaring to penetrate the independent quebec right now. where nobody would hear what i saw with my own eyes or pretty much the results. conference happening right here where barricades. several hours ago on your program there will be no violent crackdown after moment but would you be injured for them gripe about being carried. all the time ambulances are pretty much on a hard shift right now cars changing one of but not a pretty chaotic part no violence no make divina far. from you a little no doubt thank you very much in the meantime aussies are like she had a chef live in kiev. here in the studio has been following the developments and also the profit she's a political analyst and an exam to many people may be very surprised and shocked by
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what's happening now because we have seen a period of calm haven't we why we seeing this sudden violence now a day where we're seeing at least nine people killed well i think the violence is sudden i think we had a lot of only for the opposition to reorganize themselves maybe to get additional confirmation of support from their western allies i think it's going to keep happening as long as they as long as they haven't gotten their way and i think their aim is clear to bring down the government to victory in the cold which to force elections which will have an outcome that suits them or suits their western states that support you're talking about these western allies what they really need to be supporting the extremists adamant amongst the protesters we're seeing extreme violence and death and now the west has supported extremists in yugoslavia when the country was broken up in the early one nine hundred ninety s. they've supported extremist elsewhere in libya in syria it's a global phenomenon and it's nothing new and it just shows. pragmatic geo political
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stance of the worst absolutely no moral qualms it don't take anyone to achieve their means but it's something to destabilize in the world what is the international reaction so far in the arena of from what you've monitored so far. russian ministry of foreign affairs which generally doesn't jump in in matters that concern you krane they all have already said that it's vital that the opposition the government stop. issuing forth preconditions and especially for the opposition . to calm down their. their militant rightwing protesting. parts of the protest and to sit down to the table with the government in order to solve the situation that seems to be rapidly spiraling out of control and then of course we've heard from several other officials. european european leaders heard from catherine ashton very. kind of representatives of nato all of whom are
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saying that violence is definitely not the acceptable way and that the also again sit down have a dialogue by the government and the leaders of the opposition the irony of course is that just a couple of months ago i with my own eyes have seen very many of these very western leaders out there on the europe on the independence square siding with the protesters feeding literally cookies to the rightwing groups who have permeated essentially the protesters on my down so at this point this call for calm and dialogue. was. more. people critical. you have been there in kiev we understand despite that deadline over with the authorities threatening to clear the protesters from the streets let's hear the shots he was saying despite the violence and the deaths received so far there is some sort of calm in the streets now that's sort of
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a sea. do you think that's likely to last. for goodness sake amongst. the planes and toys. what do you make of that situation we're supposed to do that is in effect. as far as the fireworks are concerned i have to tell you that the people on the independence square they're just very happy to be there i have to say a lot of them are not quite in what you would say and how to quit state of mind at this point they had some fireworks left over from hoping that they will finally reach their goal and i have to remind you that they are calling for the government and the parliament to step down for new elections what exactly is happening in kiev well it's not quite clear because back when i was there you have to understand that it was the independence square that was the center and essentially the only thing that was happening as far as the protests are concerned you get a couple of kilometers away from them i don and.
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snap elections then that's what the opposition wants that's what the e.u. wants us what the west wants is there really a credible opposition in the states let's just imagine the same people who are willing to use it willing to cause deaths taking power. i think that's probably the worst case scenario anywhere if you have the opposition who is now trying to bring a legally elected government by force of arms how would these people be if they took power i think they would turn ukraine into into a war zone so i think again most media rate either the law and the constitution are going to be applied we're just going to have chaos in the end the situation you're modeling change the constitution which is what they wanted today they want to talk about that go back to the constitution to two thousand and four when the president had less power as well as prostitution of two thousand and four brought ukraine to the edge of bankruptcy because after they got what they wanted they actually drove ukraine almost to the ground so as
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a reaction to that we had victory and call each elected so of course the same forces that would have had brought the orange revolution in two thousand and four didn't get the outcome they wanted the last time sonali they're going to play war if they have in the streets but again as a rino said a couple of blocks away it's life is usual i think the majority of ukrainians don't support this if you if you exceed to a violent minority you're really asking for trouble and that's the choice to make their own culture has to make an example thanks a lot for the moment but you for more comment and moment and also you. but in the meantime just to recap it sadly is a scene of death and destruction today in kiev and the unfolding developments there suggesting the protests will continue unabated and we can just show you this video here it's increasingly difficult to understand just who the people in uniforms are the question is is who. fighting who and attacking what are presumed to be
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ukraine's riot police this is one of the videos captured today live in the streets of ukraine in kiev and in this video we can show you just what means are being used against authorities here here you can clearly see camouflage men with real guns and over the last twenty four hours police have been attacked by shells of molotov cocktails and rocks and this is how protesters were trying to ram a truck into the cordons. and this apparently shows the first victims of today's massive clashes between the protesters nor enforcers the interior ministry have confirmed the deaths of nine so far with two police officers among them in the bloodiest wave of violence to hit here since the protests began last november. so let's get some reaction from neil clark who is joining us from the u.k. . thanks very much indeed world affairs journalists it's clearly a dark day for ukraine we've seen unprecedented deaths there in the city why have
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the attempts to solve the crisis peacefully failed because it looks as if they could have been a peaceful resolution just literally a day ago. well i don't think bill there's been any attempt to have a peaceful solution from the side of the so-called protesters they wanted violent regime change from day one and it's been we're going to be very clear about this they weren't interested in compromise or every compromise the president and the coalition and i mean embolden the protesters to become more violent so every concession he made his made the situation worse because they want his head they want him out of power you see this next be quite clear what we face here in the ukraine we're faced with a u.s. u.s. wants a coup against the a democratic elected president of a sovereign state and so this talk about well he should compromise on the two thousand and four constitution but more comprises this is got us to the state we are today he's made too many compromises with people who are not interested in comprises a needy want violent regime change but why would they want the u.s.
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the e.u. want a regime change as you say where they clearly isn't any form of opposition credible opposition at this stage sure in effect would take over what we've got to see the bigger picture here bill because you know what's happening in syria grossmith what's happening in venezuela at the moment and in syria today there's been a three year long campaign to topple the government there what the syrian venezuelan ukraine all have in common bill well they were allies of russia they're independent countries and i'm afraid the u.s. doesn't like that doesn't like the fact that there are countries in this world that don't that doesn't kowtow to the u.s. state department and that's the reality the situation they want the united we were already heard the conversation between the middle of the state department and the u.s. ambassador discussing who should be in the ukrainian government this is what's going to ukraine is being sponsored and orchestrated by the u.s. to talk to a government which they want removed but neil nevertheless people say they are fed up with a corrupt government standards of living is poor the e.u. is clearly offering a much better life for many ukrainians isn't there
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a grassroots genuine revolution going on in the face of all of course those people who don't like the ukrainian government and their own right to say that. going to cope which has been disappointing in many areas corruption is a problem i won't deny that but. why is this such become such a massive great protest. because of foreign backing the protesters being emboldened because they know that they've got the support of the e.u. and the us other countries i was in spain in two thousand and twelve when there were massive street protests i mean government. police were very brutal they're far more brutal maybe in ukraine they didn't get the support from the e.u. or the u.s. and those protests died down so i think you know we've got about foreign powers are deliberately. placed well that means it's already an example of its own no doubt so . in effect through all this what you're saying is they're an inherited completely bankrupt country which is already completely failed state why on earth would the e.u. or the u.s.
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or western powers really want to create such mayhem and chaos and supposedly take it into the embrace them as the want support of the e.u. it doesn't seem to make sense or doesn't make sense because actually a deal in the west or playing a really cynical geo political game the game is not to embrace the ukraine do d. d. aim is to prevent a new crane from drawing closer to russia. people of ukraine are being used as pawns in the very dangerous jew political game. so we'll just back to you again where is this going to go from now we got into a little so a meeting with the opposition and the president should he be making more concessions now just for the sake of these people no not at all bill he should be coming out on television or going out there to the crowd and saying look i'm elected he was elected to serve twenty to twenty people and that's what i'm going to do you do not represent the majority of people in this country i was democratically elected and that's the deal that's what can occur and should be
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saying now any more concessions it's seen as a sign of weakness and will only embolden the violent protesters and will pull you create a civil war he's got to show srong leadership now and be comes out and does that he'll get more respect and i think he's got to that yet but he hasn't shown strong leadership really has he should have been no people say he should be tough on the protesters in the at the stop decisive over the decision over the e.u. and the russia issue absolutely i quite agree with you that i think that certainly i don't think the british leadership would have allowed it because they continued to this new you know the french munition pile on america he has shown to be quite a weak leader and so now is the time for him to kind of put that right and to you know to to to go out there and addresses people and say this is what's happening in the ukraine is a coup d'etat i'm outside i'm not about to happen i'm democratically elected i will serve my fall to until every point to be you don't want me in power after that by both me out that's how things go in democracies but it became easy to these
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fascists these thugs and these violent rioters then where does that leave democracy in europe does it mean that any group of people can take to the streets and quietly i will throw a democratic government which will be a victory for fascism a democracy it can't be allowed to happen. neal thanks for that for the moment alexandra's kneels been talking we're seeing these live pictures now. flashes and flare. we can hear the crowds the protesters are supposed to be talking in a couple of hours from now if the authorities do crack down and trying to clean the streets which they say they should be doing going to see more deaths. yes but i think we'll see even more. if they don't do that i think that if the government acted firmly now they would receive discipline will decide to majority in the ukraine which is being ignored by everyone no one wants to hear what the majority say everyone's listening to the two
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a very violent radical minority let's see if the government acts according to the law and the constitution what happens then. clearly lots of talk about the divisions between the countries the saying the minority so what we're seeing there isn't the representation of the general population in ukraine but him on the east and west of vision absolutely the good point that you have brought up is the fact that ukraine essentially is at this point divided pro and against russia you can say and pro and against the government those in the west. believe that if he steps down then the alliance with russia which they see as oppressive. will essentially end and they will be welcomed into the european union with the arms wide open which unfortunately is most likely not the case as many political experts have pointed out numerous occasions whereas those in the east they believe that ukraine historically acknowledge we traditionally culturally is much more close
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closer to russia and they want to continue the alliance and close cooperation with russia and they see president going to college as sort of a warrant or a guarantee of that alliance they want to stay the way that they are so there are very. there are these very two very distinct entities. and we see that possibly also possibly going against each other if this does not get under control not isn't it going to go thank you very much spent a lot of time and thanks for your thoughts on this also alexander public. affairs and the political analyst thank you for being in the studio a lot just come back to you just for your final thoughts in a moment but i just want to quickly recap on the latest developments there a fresh round of violence and we're bringing you live pictures there from kiev and this is where we're seeing another showdown between the rotters and law enforcement's happening as we speak a deadline given to the protesters to clear the streets expired several hours ago
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now and at least seven civilians are now free police officers are said to have been killed in today's fighting that brings us to to stick now to ten deaths if these reports are to be verified the bloodiest to hit since the protests began last november one hundred eighty police officers have been injured in clashes the majority of them have needed hospital treatment rod has moved on the parliament and clashed with police using firearms rocks molotov cocktails and explosives but the latest there from kiev just a quick word from you there near you said that you're a covert should stand firm but what do you predict going to happen then in the next couple of hours you've got a meeting with the opposition you know what's going to unfold in the next twenty four hours there in the city well it all depends on the outside actors i think it's all to do what the americans are doing at this moment doing because these are the people who can rein in these violent protests. these are the people who are sponsored and i think it all depends whether they will back down. i don't think they will i think they're hell bent on regime change the russian olympic is going on in such a moment when you lympics all about trying to embarrass russia as well when israel
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is another rationalized that the government there is coming under the same kind of insurrection sponsored by the u.s. so i think it's all about getting at russia and i think russia too has got to play a role in that russia too has got to say that it won't allow this kind of thing to happen the neighboring country being subject to be kind of who gave up an hour ago and so i think you know it really is not just about going. because your position it's about putting the screens of the opposition but the puppet masters really and it's up to them really what happens next whether we have more bloodshed and none of us want to see whether we have my solutions or i'd like to be just a quick thought then about the russian relations here the two really can't do without each other can they when it comes to economy and trade in some ways relations have improved but this is a serious division now is why i would like to see a meeting between russia the e.u. the us and. the whole thing to get it sorted out once and for all. and i think that really that's the only way it's going to stop this because it's pretty clear that
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the opposition is going to broke out what they want the early elections being or they watch many elections they want to get to before every twenty fifty and i think that really is now due to be as you told them to get. rid of ukraine really because we don't want to see people getting killed really neal thanks very much indeed for the world affairs journalist joining us live from the u.k. just i have got time quickly for your reaction on this arena the russian and e.u. relationship here now where does it go. to you well it depends if i ching over ukraine in effect i don't think you know the this is if i dare to speak from a personal point of view i do not see russia fighting with anybody over ukraine at the moment russia is a matter of fact why why i would say that the statement that was issued by the ministry of foreign affairs is vitally important this because throughout the several past several months russia was the one that actually stayed more or less quiet on this issue we've seen numerous european politicians representatives of
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various european bodies out there on my down clearly making their allegiances alliances and favorable is obvious whereas russia hasn't done that and of course they're interested in keeping ukraine safe first and foremost they do not want to see any more bloodshed i wouldn't say it's fighting over a country it's fighting really were. in the piece we just quickly talk about the bloodshed we carry in these live pictures there from the city center we do believe the interior ministry a fourth policeman has died and i believe the pictures we're seeing of his body now being carried to an ambulance so this is clearly to be verified but we have no understanding that four policemen have died as the police seem to be taking some action against the protesters so clearly. a dark day for ukraine a tragic day and it's not over yet because there are meant to be talks what in a couple of hours from now where the opposition will be talking to the president but it seems that the opposition is more defiant than ever despite the fact
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a deadline has been issued for them to. clear the streets and and these demonstrations and this comes after an amnesty just was in force just a matter of twenty four hours if anybody was arrested your previous protest was released comes along with plenty of other concessions to offer by the president so at the moment clearly you saw a lot of violence when these protests first started back in november but this is unprecedented now this is probably not what you expected to see actually it was one of the things that i could have expected to see i mean it was when i was there it was kind of a coin toss it was dependent dependent on what the opposition leaders either would say or what the people who are out there on the independence square would do and at this point it does seem like unfortunately the right wing extremist groups which were there and i have to say were rather frightening to even look at because they were already out fitted with all sorts of you know helmets and heavy duty but tongs
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they looked like they were ready for serious assault there were fears that they will be the ones who will be driving and unfortunately those fears seem to have actually been correct because we do see the right wing extremist opposition being the driving force but there are still thousands of people there who are surely moderates who just want to be there. there weren't that many thousands. who were always there. thanks very much indeed. for joining us here in the studio just a quick recap if you just joined us on our breaking news this hour the fresh round of violence in kiev in effect death and destruction and you're watching live pictures from the city center where showdown between the rock. is happening as
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we're discussing this a deadline given to the protesters to clear the streets expired several hours ago at least seven civilians and now we're hearing four police officers said to have been killed in today's fighting which became the bloodiest since the protests began last november police officers have been injured in the clashes the majority of them have needed hospital treatment has moved on the parliament clashed with police using rocks molotov cocktails and explosives now our correspondent. has made his way. and will be getting the latest from him in. international we'll keep you of course up to date with all those developments in kiev but coming up here right now a look at how drug companies are being accused of creating their medicines. profits that's. next after the short break this is international.
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