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a florida jury failed to give the michael dunn a first degree murder for shooting and killing jordan davis a seventeen year old unarmed teenager who was listening to music with friends what role did florida's stand your ground should first law play in that jury's decision is that law promoting murder by culture also what happens if you call immigrants indentured servants and call the president of the united states a subhuman mongrel call the first lady of former first lady and secretary of state a worthless b. word well you get republic welcome to the republican party with open arms but abbott of the republican party that waterboarding versity more support for minorities that and more in the nights alone were wrong. you need to know this on saturday a florida jury convicted michael dunn of three charges of attempted second degree murder and one charge of shooting into a vehicle for shooting into an s.u.v.

that was full of teenagers after an argument about their loud music that same jury . failed to convict on a first degree murder in the death of jordan davis a seventeen year old who was in the s.u.v. earlier today one of the dunn jurors identified only as valerie spoke with a.b.c. news about the case and about what she thought dunn deserved take a look at do you think michael dunn kind of with murder at this point. i i do myself personally yes when you went to the deliberating room you thought michael dunn was guilty yes or of killing seventeen year old boy yes or what convinced you that to me it was unnecessary he didn't think michael dunn had to kill jordan davis i don't believe most of the jurors she told us agreed with her you all first took your first poll and guilt or innocence on the murder of jordan davis what was the vote tended to ten people thinking he was guilty yes i thought

it was going to be killed valerie says that was a key moment in the trial dunn's insistence he believed he was in danger that in this final directive from the defense attorney check page twenty five start with page twenty five page twenty five reads the use of deadly force is justifiable that michael dunn reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm valerie went on to say that we all believe that there was another way out another option for him to the actions that michael dunn took but dunn didn't need to find another way out because of florida's stand your ground shoot first law thanks to that law and as the dunn's defense attorney repeatedly pointed out to the jurors all don had to do to get away with the murder of jordan davis was assert that he was scared for his life and scared of four black teenagers in an s.u.v. unfortunately our majority white society and culture were undone side to society's bias to believe that black people are scary but that white people aren't as

a result the real consequence of stand your ground shoot first laws is that you have to assert that you are afraid of a black person to get a jury to agree with you which it seems they almost always will to get away with murder if the tables were turned a black man who shoots and kills a white teenager after a heated argument over loud music that person would almost be certain to be charged with murder it's a sad reality in america today and michael but escaped a murder conviction because of it so is white fear of blackness really enough justification for pulling the trip. and taking a life and stand your ground shoot first laws allowing murder by culture let's rumble. joining me for that i saw a little rumble are horace cooper attorney and senior fellow of the national center for public policy research and kevin martin member of the project twenty one black leadership network thank you both for joining me murder by culture you guys heard my rant kevin you were you were making faces there and you don't think that white

people are afraid of black people and that a law that says that if you assert that you are afraid you therefore have the right to shoot people you don't accept those two premises let me say this most lived in washington d.c. all by life ok i've been robbed three times in a by why i could tell you that ok so you're saying that there's a legitimate basis i don't know you could be able to operate a black you know i'm not i'm not saying it's a little bit of base i'm saying that when you're walking down the street whether be a man woman wherever anybody can do anything to you it doesn't matter what skin color they are ok that's like saying that every woman should feel like me because ninety percent right this is a they are ninety percent of rapes are done as well yes yes no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is that well actually we have to a certain set i mean there are i think most women have been in circumstances where i would tell you the story of having been in circumstances where they fell worried about being with

a man or the possibility of ok still in flipside so regardless of race also the flip side it all but but my question is is it ok to have a law that says you can assert that you were afraid of this person because of their race and therefore you can see no end to the law does not say that those losses if you would face a little has been applied but that's me that's because you have the we prosecuted i mean jacksonville every time she gives one instance the two cases she has some phone bills the bolshie to the jurors raise on juries horace jump in here. ok first of all the stand your ground law was never invoked here yes a low duelling a huge hurry this is when i just read off you read the jury instruction and that is these standard defense instruction for only fifty states and washington d.c. the stand your ground law requires a judge before the charges follow to hear a special pleading as to whether or not the charge should go forward no to that and

back and that no no before the castle doctrine before the stand your ground course you know this you're an attorney you you have an obligation to try to avoid a confrontation and stand your ground that you that that's not true that is not true if in various states they have changed the law from here you were in your house that you must not retreat and they expended that to other places you can have an event like this but every single state allows you to use even up to deadly force if you had two hundred one hundred ingenue a little bit if you were genuinely and that is what you would like about it was not i believe that you were genuinely confronted he had that's up to you i would that is the first that up to sac five years alan and your ground law is all i do not believe that you are in spite of it and that is stating that that is not accurate the second point is as kevin points out the overwhelming evidence is minorities and

particularly young black men disproportionately some for ptolemy's greater than them size of their group engage in the kinds of mayhem and we haven't brought in the kinds of law enforcement to stop that and we're not doing anything about the family formation problems that create the environment where that happens all the culture where it occurs and as long as you're not going to do that don't blame people who don't want to be victims going out of their own way and don't blame white people for shooting black people because they're afraid of what i know. blame women for believing that their rapist is likely to be a male and a void why are they tend to be shooting them in the supply so let me ask you this question let me actions question so you're saying ok we're getting back not right now i get an elevator white when i want it's happen to me before i'm in a nice suit tie the whole nine yards what do you do retreat to the side of the elevator grab the person i look at i'm like ok i'm going to throw a floor you're going to stop the flow when i don't watch a person probably make more money than you do with it a day ok but everyone that's culturally acceptable this whole point was oh oh he

was shot because he stood his ground and he was black you know you have a bad prosecutor i am a jacksonville people are protesting against her because this is the this is now in the first case she stumbled in the second case she has all the second case and she's all the nuns sakai and she basically over file charges that's a bit of an awful lot of trayvon there and i got to agree brother jabs their problem there ok but you guys are saying that is overcharging neither of you understand the water florida florida is a law the law in florida is if you are charged with first degree murder the jury has the option of lowering that to second degree murder and find you guilty of that or lowering that distills what i find in the hills is all that will says why are you add that where advisability they had arguing on camera they had the option how and they have chosen not to exercise ever the judge could have reminded them that when they deadlocked they could have settled on a lower count and that judge chose not to do that but they created this problem by

overcharging this trial with ok this is because we all were three sixty years seventy five there was an additional fifteen years for shooting a vehicle ok just so i was right here is another shooting a car but he didn't get convicted for shooting you know but he is not walking away without consequence and not only that. i am not a jury ok so what are you were in agreement that the well there's a price on your ground law yes it is at all in a civil way i have no i. i watch it drop i never heard stage again i watched from start to finish with white would see him in and i never heard a stage imply one time and that premise is your instruction that's page twenty four on it you can look in any law school textbook and you'll see that that's the standard statement of when deadly force can be used for self defense i'll leave you with the last word on that on tuesday texas republican gubernatorial candidate greg abbott invited ted nugent to campaign with him calling nugent a fighter for freedom in this country which is the same rocker turned conservative

sweetheart who have called hillary clinton a worthless b. word said the u.s. would have been better off if the south ad and slavery had won the civil war argued that undocumented immigrants should be treated like indentured servants and said this about president obama. i have obviously failed to galvanize and try not shame enough americans to be ever vigilant not to let a chicago communist bring communist which communist nurtured subhuman mongrel. like the corn community organizer gangster rockers. to weasel his way. into the top office in a station. yesterday on c.n.n. newt gingrich refused to condemn nugent when pressed by wolf blitzer to take a look at this. phrase subhuman mongrel you're familiar with this because you're a student of world war two when the genocide that occurred during work when the

nazis were one or two jews mr speaker as subhuman mongrel zz there is a history do not have races. you cannot have it both ways you can't say on how not saying this is how does this is raise mr speaker what i am saying is that the republicans so in the minute we have what you guys really wanted news you're representing the republican party on television doesn't represent the republican party but to dream represent some conservative perspectives and if we're going to call all the people that said bush equals hitler and all. the swastikas that were placed upon because they opposed his position on iraq we're not going to have that discussion and when i'm going to condemn those people i don't want to add this to them in america if you don't like the president you can call them whatever name you want that's all right i'm not a republican so i could frankly care what ted nugent said but i do have to say this month bill maher on this i mean all these people they called sarah palin talk about her sort of special needs song and now all of a sudden we're going to lift up this moral standard because ted nugent's it's about

the president come on now i mean you talk about so you're on your argument as both sides do it so both sides do right more of a liberal rubble after the break. i got a quote for you. it's pretty tough. it's a way it's not story. because this guy like you but smear that guy stead of working for the people most issues the mainstream media were pretty much on the bridegroom's days you. know. they did rather well. it was a. very hard to take i. want to get some on here. why have you ever had sex with her big hair cut.

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welcome back this rise alone liberal run away until i horace cooper and kevin martin we have this great photo we are indeed and it's been nearly a month and a half since the chemicals poured into the elk river in west virginia in early january while state officials have said everything's got to go people to live there are still smell of chemicals coming out of the water in fact some places the water is black from the chemical contamination elk river spill is highlighted the very weak red regulations that west virginia has in place for the coal and the chemical industries and freedom industries put a name to corporation we had the spill had a less than stellar history before the elk river spill but escaped substantial punishment doesn't this gentleman you know when we we've had the corporate death

penalty in america since the founding of the republic it was exercised up until the late one nine hundred ninety s. on an average around two thousand times a year corporations were dissolved. and because because they weren't serving the public interest if anything deserves the corporate death penalty isn't this sort of thing where you simply say ok that's at the corporations dissolve its assets are sold stock holders are screwed you do basically what ronald reagan did to the people who were the stockholders in the s n l's ninety six i think you have to make sure that that's what the people of west virginia really want and i mean what the corporation wants what the people of west well what we learned here is so what are a viable the other job their state legislature what about some of the mansion i mean. one of these people wanting the say before i come in and second guess that determination i want to hear with those democrats there on the ground that's a democrat run state what they're up to so what would you i mean you have a state that is basically captured by a single industry there's only one industry in west virginia for all practical purposes and that's extracting coal and coal it would so but i wouldn't

force i don't have a state a law that forces a state to lead i don't know a federal law here i'm just i'm just curious this is just you know this need to be a debate how would you advise a state to diversify itself away from an industry that is so toxic that it kills its own citizens. i'm not sure that's the same thing as coal so if there were this theoretical industry that existed the way you do arsenic i would say that there are options that they ought to look at then they ought to pass some laws that invite in some competing companies to engage in these alternative things that's what i do for corporations so what should be free enterprise so what should they move to. i don't know i don't i was i was an innocent earlier if you were going to take away coal if we're going to put all these regulations are going to drive coal out of business and you say it's about jobs ok and ninety two million people out of the workforce

right now you're talking about a state what eight million people all of sudden a going to be out of work they've got to be producing as liberals always say they're going to be taking in more money than they give out so i would we replace that with they're going to come artists yeah yeah they ought to be himself so i would love to see this reverse or you know we west virginia used to actually have a fairly diversified economy there was a large part of the of the i want to say acrylics what's the fabrics you know what's the fancy word for a family they used to make jeans there are these make socks that used to make underwear there they make all kinds of things in west virginia as well as south carolina north carolina right down that coast and then we got textiles thank you and then we got these insane side policy only and. neither one is a trade policies we decided to open the last one because i didn't have west virginia now it's got nothing left because so how to going to get it supports like baltimore washington north i mean somebody has got to blast the whole the amount of coal to put a totally new to put a railroad and i don't i'm opposed to tom i look at this and i say what are the

representatives of the people wanting and i'm not here to second guess and frankly we need coal i think it's a very useful product the company itself needs to be accountable for the actions that it takes to acquire bankruptcy already said they're not going to account if the community wants to continue in this product i'm not here to come in and second guess that kind of determination a lot of people in the community would rather their kids working when they need to send a new governor and then they mean this in a new senator and if the republicans are auction and the republicans are saying deregulated even more than it is the regulated that does the same as the crowd here is this primary and you don't know me and i say they need a real democrat you also gave a green sickly one is there anything of what the people on monday the indiana state senate approves amendment to that state's constitution that would ban same sex marriage now the majority of americans are in favor of same sex marriage the majority of people in india are in favor of same sex marriage are the republicans

really going to try and ride gets into twenty four to twenty six to have them and isn't that isn't it the definition of big government saying that the government's going to decide who you can marry ok so i must say to maryland we had a we had a referendum and gay marriage won even though i was appalled but that was the will of the people so basically what you're saying is the will of the people here who elected all these people and they're putting this ban in place ok once is in place only can do is run to a federal judge to the federal judge who is not elected who sits alone only opinion is to who will say just like it was up to the people at all the turnout will. no i absolutely agree with you so so what am i republicans are doing the song and dance to appeal to their base their primary base they're spending a fortune of indiana's money it's going to get knocked down so it's going to be useless and the majority of the electorate doesn't want that who will let it lie but i would i'm not here to speak on behalf of the republicans or the democrats can

just tell you this though if any party is actively pushing an agenda that the public doesn't like they're not long for this world now what would i do i should do you really think i was in a ride where god watch i will tell you that the tide is not as accurate portrayed as you proclaimed there is a coming parity on the same sex marriage issue in the nation but actually if you do a map it does not look like that there are very very anti and they are very very strongly pro in various communities if not equally distributed and i also i date i understand that bigotry is commit is not only bigotry the fact that you as a twenty year old can't marry a five year old is is that is a going to be nothing to do with because you're going to tell you that totally had on him as well and saving a lot of metal and i thought ok heart twenty can't marry a fourteen year old top that only it is what it is not why not do it like it my

sister people feel why not unilaterally late but it also for what about a referendum let the people don't decide to let me just like them or look no one is adult add that's not names he is they want the people you decide so you know what i asked you know what i said i asked about the i decided he said republicans if they're if they think they're going to ride this one i'm not a we're big and i'm proud to get you very much but my question was about you know how are the republicans going to ride this into it do they think they're going to ride it to allow anybody to a little poor i don't care that he should get out and put it all about i think sean heard a lot about short term it's going to help with those ballots sure with their primary with their primaries if you phrase it. i just wasn't here i was. but in the end i think not only is this likely to pass in both houses if it's put up to a state vote it is likely to pass by five time for access that can't get past the california what happened speaking of the will of the people in arkansas will state legislature yesterday requires

a three quarters majority to accept federal money tax money that the citizens of arkansas pay their taxes to d.c. d.c. says we want to give you back that money in the form of health care for poor people medicaid medicaid expansion and it requires a three quarters majority of the legislature to say yes they couldn't get that three quarters majority on the other hand in arkansas it only requires a fifty one percent majority to secede from the union which they have done before isn't this weird now with a democrats when they decided that succession from the union they were just want to make sure i'm keeping up with the parties and when they look at it in the city i know there's been no flip we've been away and there's been no slip and when they added that constitutional provision which political party did that i don't know. until the next part of that i know i know they tell you i know the super majority to raise taxes or to take federal money and oregon when i lived there was promoted by the republicans the republicans haven't dominated the oregon legislature in what

. was an allegation it was a more adult initiative i couldn't be public i was there who are to it that the public knows it before that big fat care republicans came in and said you go home and there you go again so you don't hear even democracy you don't believe that the people can be i don't make i don't i don't believe that money is protected by the first amendment i don't believe the billion or so out of state who come in i think it's bizarre but i bought it. with they can't take it from you they need to give you some justification for confiscating it you guys don't agree you're talking about taking yes that's a very interesting. anyway my eminent domain here saying taxes are the equivalent of an. ration of em can be confiscatory absolutely you know. that's what i'm going to have to think about that will have their conversation with time but any seventeen thousand americans according to harvard university are going to die as a result of the republicans playing political games with this thing the number yeah the number of deaths attributed to the lack of medicaid expansion opt out states is

between seventy one hundred fifteen and seventeen thousand one hundred or so isn't this a moral issue it's like it certainly is and that's why we're going to start a count by conservatives that are going to start tracking the number of obamacare deaths the number of people who don't get the treatment they deserve and they start dying in canada in the u.k. and france germany and all these places where they have this government intrusion it has led to prevention of access to the treatment that people need where were you when people were dying in the united states because they had no insurance where were you known when people were dying because of obamacare we were getting fifty thousand without something when you're in the last one i want to be able to easily why you know easily are using and claiming about all the money that the federal government has to get out of the medicaid payback program to promote obamacare ok one hundred nine hundred billion dollars they had to move their start up phones

called baba care they cut medicare the first two years that obama like democrat were telling you that it you know that you know that that is a b.s. talk no they're not talking point that they that they moved it out of one category into another why they don't want category you don't want to use the longer medicare is no no no no no no no no no no that was going to go to seniors is no longer going to go to seniors it's going to a new category of people and over a lot simpler and this is a fact i can't even hardly steve you know it branding but you've already made all should go to the least ponzi that ok ponzi schemes only work in ponzi scheme and i have to do you know and say don't let us know if you want your. people it would be all the same people if you want to posses game look at one of your health insurance could you guys only shows your side up looking to bring down the hall here now and most of the federally run who is over ponzi i don't know where ponzi is i should probably know i mean i ask and i'm surprised to know who is scaling the money off the top nobody put much they want to get away fabs they are and yes so medicare

operates on three percent overhead united health care operates on a twenty five percent overhead and has an obligation. to help insure its common ass patients who are required to contribute to pay for medicare and when it comes time to get their treatment they are told all this doctor is no longer going to be the network this treatment is no longer going to happen and that's coming which for is not the best how appalling he wants to put the money and when it comes time for you to get it it's not a ons if that's how insurance works here describe maybe insurance without palliating class how if you've got a c.e.o. like dollar bill mcguire who took one point six billion dollars adi and i did health care stephen hadley who took over a billion dollars of united health care i would say yeah they're acting like that i'm sure that i had one question ok we got out of iraq did you people who don't have health insurance and under under obama care why have only three million signed up so far because it takes a few it takes you you know large group work out throughout your joint and really try to sell it and i thank you for coming up ukrainian president viktor yeah yeah

to college says he's reached a truce with protesters with that truce last the answer right after the. the chances are course that. the finish line of the error on.

my. part. i would rather i asked questions to keep building positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question for.

both of us the news just a few hours ago ukrainian president victory call bitch reached a truce opposition leaders that could put a freeze on that country's ongoing political crisis the move comes just a day after twenty six people including ten police officers were killed and the government tried to break up the pro. camps that have taken over independence square in the capital city of kiev in a day of brutal street battles anti-government protesters formed barricades and far off police officers with gas bombs and paving stones live ammunition was reportedly used as well but it is not yet clear by.