i think. i would like to do if you did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy schreck help us. to make you know i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the picture of what's actually going on we go beyond identifying the truth rational debate a real discussion critical issues facing america ready to join the movement and welcome they. belong to a marman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture this past weekend a florida jury failed to convict michael dunn of first degree murder for shooting

and killing jordan davis a seventeen year old unarmed teenager who was listening to music with friends what role did florida's stand your ground should first law play in that jury's decision is that law promoting murder by culture also what happens if you call immigrants indentured servants and call the president of the united states a subhuman mongrel call the first lady a former first lady and secretary of state a worthless b. word well you get republican welcome to the republican party with open arms what happen to the republican party that waterboarding versity more support for minorities that and more in the nights alone were wrong. you need to know this on saturday a florida jury convicted michael dunn of three charges of attempted second degree murder and one charge of. shooting into a vehicle for shooting into an s.u.v.

that was full of teenagers after an argument about their loud music that same jury failed to convict on a first degree murder in the death of jordan davis a seventeen year old who was in the s.u.v. earlier today one of the dunn jurors identified only as valerie spoke with a.b.c. news about the case and about what she thought dunn deserved take over. do you think michael dunn got away with murder at this point. i i do myself personally yes when you went to the deliberating room you thought michael dunn was guilty yes or of killing seventeen year old boy yes or what convinced you that to me it was unnecessary he didn't think michael dunn had to kill jordan davis i don't believe most of the jurors she told us agreed with her you all first took your first poll and guilt or innocence on the murder of jordan davis what was the vote tended to ten people thinking he was guilty yes i thought it was going to be killed valerie

says that was a key moment in the trial dunn's insistence he believed he was in danger that in this final directive from the defense attorney check page twenty five start with page twenty five page twenty five reads the use of deadly force is justifiable that michael dunn reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm valerie went on to say that we all believe that there was another way out another option for him to the actions that michael dunn took but dunn didn't need to find another way out because of florida's stand your ground shoot first law thanks to that law and as the dunn's defense attorney repeatedly pointed out to the jurors all don had to do to get away with the murder of jordan davis was assert that he was scared for his life and scared of four black teenagers in an s.u.v. unfortunately our majority white society and culture were undone side to society's bias to believe that black people are scary but that white people aren't as a result the real consequence of stand your ground shoot first laws is that you

have to assert that you were afraid of a black person to get a jury to agree with you which it seems they almost always will to get away with murder if the tables were turned a black man who shoots and kills a white teenager after a heated argument over loud music that person would almost be certain to be charged with murder it's a sad reality in america today and michael skate the murder conviction because of it so is white fear of blackness really enough justification for pulling the trip. and taking the life and stand your ground shoot first laws allowing murder by culture let's rumble. joining me for that i saw a little rumble are horace cooper attorney and senior fellow of the national center for public policy research and kevin martin member of the project twenty one black leadership network thank you both for joining me murder by culture you guys heard my rant kevin you were you were making faces there and you don't think that white

people are afraid of black people and that a law that says that if you assert that you are afraid you therefore have the right to shoot people you don't accept those two premises let me say this most lived in washington d.c. all by life ok i've been robbed three times in a by why i can tell you day ok so you're saying that there's a legitimate basis i don't know why that evil operator black you know i'm not i'm not saying it's a little bit of base i'm saying that when you're walking down the street whether be a man woman wherever anybody can do anything to you it doesn't matter what skin color they are ok that's like saying that every woman should feel like me because ninety percent rate this is a ninety percent of rapes are down the list yet no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is that well actually we have to a certain set i mean there are i think most women have been in circumstances where i would tell you the story of having been in circumstances where they fell worried about being with a man or the possibility of ok still in flipside so regardless of race also the

flip side it all but but my question is is it ok to have a law that says you you can assert that you are afraid of this person because of their race and therefore you can see no end to the law does not say that this law says is you would tell me that applies but that's me that's because you have a weak prosecuted i mean jack every time she gives one instance such little cases she has some phone bills the bolshie to the jurors raise on juries horace jump in here. ok first of all the stand your ground law was never invoked here yes and no dealing a huge blunder is when i just read off you read the jury instruction and that is these standard defense instruction for only fifty states and washington d.c. the stand your ground law requires a judge before the charges follow to hear a special pleading as to whether or not the charge should go forward to that and

back and that no no before the castle doctrine before the stand your ground course you know this you're an attorney you you have an obligation to try to avoid a confrontation and stand your ground that show you that that's not true that is not true if in various states they have changed the law from here you are in your house that you must not retreat and expended that to other places you can have an event like this but every single state allows you to use even up to deadly force if you had if you were under one hundred ingenue live and if you were genuinely and that is what you would like and that is not i believe that you are genuinely confronted he had that's up to no i would that answers that off to the fact finders alan joyce and your ground law is all i do not believe that you are that's what i was there and that is stating that that is not accurate the second point is as kevin points out the overwhelming evidence is minorities and particularly young

black men disproportionately some for ptolemy's greater than them size of their group engage in the kinds of mayhem and we haven't brought in the kinds of law enforcement to stop that and we're not doing anything about the family formation problems that create the environment where that happens all the culture where it occurs and as long as you're not going to do that don't blame people who don't want to be victims going out of their own way and we don't blame white people for shooting black people because they're afraid of what i don't. blame women for believing that their rapist is likely to be a male and a void why are they tend to be shooting them in the supply so let me ask you this question let me actions so you're saying ok i'm getting back not right now i get an elevator white when i want it's happen to me before i'm in a nice suit tie the whole nine go what do you do don't retreat do side of the elevator grab the person a look at them like ok i'm going to throw a floor you're going to stop the flow when i don't want you a person probably made more money than you do with it day ok but everyone that's culturally acceptable this whole point was oh oh he was shot because he stood his

ground and he was black you know you have a bad prosecutor and a gentle people protesting against her because this is a this is now in first case she stumbled in the second case she has all the second case and she's all the nuns and saeed and she basically all the file charges that's a bit of an awful lot of trayvon there and it degree brother jabs their problem that ok but you guys are saying that is overcharging neither of you understand the want florida florida is a law the law in florida is if you are charged with first degree murder the jury has the option of lowering that to second degree murder and find you guilty of that or lower in that distills life i know you'll feel that will be an ad that way advisability they don't have arguing on camera they had the option how and they have chosen not to exercise ever the judge could have reminded them that when they deadlocked they could have settled on a lower count and that judge chose not to do that but they created this problem by

overcharging this trial with ok this is because we were three sixty years seventy five there was an additional fifteen years for shooting a vehicle ok so i was right here is another shooting a car but he didn't get convicted for shooting you know but he is not walking away without consequence and not only that. i am not a jury ok so what are you were in agreement that the well is about price and your ground law yes it is at all in a civil way i have no i. i want to talk to i never heard stage again i watched from start to finish with white would see him in and i never heard a stage. one time and that phrase is your instruction that's page twenty four on it you can look in any law school textbook and you'll see that that's the standard statement of when the deadly force can be used for self defense i'll leave you with the last word on that on tuesday texas republican gubernatorial candidate greg abbott butted ted nugent to campaign with him calling nugent a fighter for freedom in this country which is the same rocker turned conservative

sweetheart who have called hillary clinton a worthless b. word said the u.s. would have been better off if the south ad and slavery had won the civil war argued that undocumented immigrants should be treated like indentured servants and said this about president obama. i have obviously failed to galvanize and try not shade enough americans to be ever vigilant not to let a chicago communist bring communist which communist nurtured subhuman mongrel. like the corn community organizer gangster rockers. to weasel his way. into the top office already i'm a statesman. yes stance in a new game bridge refused to condemn nugent when pressed by wolf blitzer to take a look at this. phrase subhuman mongrel you're familiar with this because you're a student of world war two when the genocide that occurred during work when the

nazis reported to jews mr speaker as subhuman mongrel zz there is a history do not have races. you cannot have it both ways you can't say on how not saying this is how this does is raised mr speaker what i am saying is that the republicans so in the minute we have what is really wanted ted nugent representing the republican party on television doesn't represent the republican party but to dream represent some conservative perspectives and we're not going to call all the people that said bush equals hitler and all. the swastikas that were placed because they opposed his position on iraq we're not going to have that discussion and when i'm going to condemn those people i don't want to add this to them in america if you don't like the president you can call it whatever name you want that's all right i'm not a republican so i can frankly care what ted nugent said but i do have to say this month's bill maher tells amy bar this i mean all these people they called sarah palin talk about her so special needs son and now all of a sudden we're going to lift up this moral standard because ted nugent's it's about

the president come on now i mean you talk about say you are your argument as both sides do it so both sides do right martha and small number rubble after the break. we welcome there nathan abby martin two of the two if we close on the our team network. it's going to give you a different perspective give me one stock never i'll give you the information you make the decision to me about how breaking this the resolution of the mind its resolution ideas and consciousness you frustrated with the system yeah extremely probably would be described as angry i think in a strong enough or single. i've got a quote for you. that's pretty tough. stay with substory. let's get this good looking good smear about guns instead of working for the people

most missions on the beach we're pretty much on the bridegroom's vision. of the dead rather. welcome back this rise alone liberal run away untied horoscope or in kevin martin we have this great photo we are indeed and it's been nearly a month and a half since the chemicals poured into the elk river in west virginia in early january while state officials have said everything's got to go people to live there

still smell the chemicals coming out of the water in fact some places the water is black from the chemical contamination elk river spill has highlighted the very weak red regulations that west virginia has in place for the coal and the chemical industries and freedom industries what a name the corporation we had the spill had a less than stellar history before the elk river spill but escaped substantial punishment doesn't this gentleman you know when we we've had the corporate death penalty in america since the founding of the republic it was exercised up until the late one nine hundred ninety s. on average around two thousand times a year corporations were dissolved. and you could because they weren't serving the public interest if anything deserves the corporate death penalty isn't this sort of thing where you simply say ok that's at the you know the corporations dissolve its assets are sold stock. others are screwed you do basically what ronald reagan did to the people who are the stockholders in the s n l's ninety six i think you have to make sure that that's what the people of west virginia really want and i mean what the corporation wants what the people of west well what about their health

care so what are a viable other job their state legislature what about some of the mansion i mean one of these people wanting to say before i come in and second guess that determination i want to hear with those democrats there on the ground that's a democrat run state what they're up to so what would you i mean you have a state that is basically captured by a single industry there's only one industry in west virginia for all practical purposes and that's extracting coal and coal or wood so i wouldn't force i don't have a state of the law that force is a state to lead our federal law here i'm just i'm just curious because it's just you know this need not be a debate how would you advise a state to diversify itself away from an industry that is so toxic that it kills its own citizens. i'm not sure that's the same thing as coal so if there were this theoretical industry that existed the way you do in arsenic i would say that there are options that they ought to look at then they ought to pass some laws that

invite in some competing companies to engage in these alternative things that's what i do for corporations so what should be free enterprise so what should they move to. i don't know i don't i was i was an innocent earlier if you were going to take away coal if we're going to put all these regulations are going to drive coal out of business and you say it's about jobs ok and ninety two million people out of the workforce right now you're talking about state what eight nine million people all of sudden they going to be out of work they've got to be producing as liberals always say they're going to be taking in more money than they give out so i would if we replace them with they're going to come artists yeah yeah they ought to be himself so i would love to see this reverse or you know we west virginia used to actually have a fairly diversified economy there was a large part of the of the i want to say crow. fabrics you know was a fancy word for a family they used to make jeans they're these make socks that are used to make underwear there are all kinds of things in west virginia as well as south carolina north carolina right down that coast and then we got textiles thank you and then we

got these insane policy all of these really little i mean the trade policies we did oprah isn't about as well because i didn't so it was a journey now it's got nothing left because so how did we get it supports like ball . i mean somebody's got a blast the whole the amount of coal to put a totally in the world and i didn't i don't i'm opposed to tom i look at this and i say what are the representatives of the people wanting and i'm not here to second guess it frankly we need coal i think it's a very useful product the company itself needs to be accountable for the actions that it takes to acquire bankruptcy i've already said they're not going to account if the community wants to continue in this product i'm not here to come in and second guess that kind of determination a lot of people in the community would rather their kids working when they need to start a new governor and then they need this in a new senator and if there are politics that option and the republicans are saying

deregulated even more than it is the regulated that does the same as the crowd here is this primary and you think it will be and i say they need a real democrat you also gave a green city what it is they made of what the people on monday the indiana state senate approved amendment to that state's constitution that would ban same sex marriage now the majority of americans are in favor of same sex marriage the majority of people in india are in favor of same sex marriage are the republicans really going to try and ride kids into twenty four to twenty six to have them and isn't that isn't it the definition of big government saying that the government's going to decide who you can marry ok so i must say that maryland we had a we had a referendum and gay marriage won even though all the polls but that was the will of the people so basically what you're saying is the will. people here who elected all these people and they're putting this ban in place ok once is in place only going to have run to a federal judge to the federal judge who is not elected who sits alone whose only

opinion is to who will say just like you would oh screw the people so that all the turd i know will know i absolutely agree with you so so what am i republicans are doing the song and dance to appeal to their base to their primary base they're spending a fortune of indianness money it's going to get knocked down so it's going to be useless and the majority of the electorate doesn't want that who it was i let it lie whether i'm here to speak on behalf of the republicans or the democrats right can just tell you this though if any party is actively pushing an agenda that the public doesn't like they're not long for this world now what would i do i should do you really think i was in a ride when god watch i will tell you that the tide is not as accurate portrayed as you proclaimed there is a coming parody on the same sex marriage issue in the nation but actually if you do a map it does not look like that there are very very anti and they are very very strongly pro in various communities if not equally distant i know i also i date i

understand that bigotry is it is not only bigotry and the fact that you as a twenty year old can't marry a five year old is is that is a very nothing to do with because you're going to tell you that to have only had problems medical and saving that is a lot of metal and i thought ok heart twenty can't marry fourteen year old tom is that still it is a lot it is not why not do it like it might say people feeling why not unilaterally but it also for what about a referendum let the people don't decide a woman just like them or look no one as i looked at my side lost his name on the people you decide so you know what i asked you know what i said i asked about the i decided also he said republicans unfair if they think they're going to ride this one i'm not a or big and i'm proud to get you very much well that but my question was about. you know how are the republicans going to ride this into it do they think they're going to ride it to allow anybody to a little part i think in that he should also put it out and put it all about i think shine or not about short term it's going to help with those ballots sure with

their primary with their primaries if you look at it. i just wasn't here i'm sorry but in the end i think not only is this likely to pass in both houses if it's put up to a state vote it is likely to pass by five in time for actually can it pass in california and what happened speaking of the will of the people in arkansas state legislature yesterday requires a three quarters majority to accept federal money tax money that the citizens of arkansas pay their taxes to d.c. d.c. says we want to give you back that money in the form of health care for poor people medicaid medicaid expansion and it requires a three quarters majority of the legislature to say yes they couldn't get that three quarters majority on the other hand in arkansas it only requires a fifty one percent majority to secede from the union which they have done before isn't this weird now with a democrats when they decided that succession from the union they were just want to

make sure parties and when they look in the signal there's been no flip we've been over there where there's been a flip and when they added that constitutional provision which political party did that i don't know. until the next part of that i know i know they tell you i know the super majority to raise taxes or to take federal money and oregon when i lived there was promoted by the republicans the republicans haven't dominated the oregon legislature in what. was an allegation it was a more valuable initiative i could only public i was there who are to it that the public knows it before that big fat care republicans came in and said you go home and there you go again so you don't hear even democracy you don't believe that the people can be i don't know make i don't i don't believe that money is protected by the first amendment i don't believe the. out of state who come in i think is pretty are about it. where they can't take it from you they need to give you some justification for confiscating it you guys don't agree you're talking about taking yes that's

a very interesting. anyway my eminent domain here saying taxes are the equivalent of can be a waste of and can be confiscatory absolutely why. that's what i'm going to think about that we'll have the conversation of the time but any seventeen thousand americans according to harvard university are going to die as a result of the republicans playing political games with this thing the number yeah the number of deaths attributed to the lack of medicaid expansion opt out states is between seventy one hundred fifteen and seventeen thousand one hundred or so is this a moral issue is likely it certainly is and that's why we're going to start a count by conservatives that are going to start tracking the number of obamacare deaths the number of people who don't get the treatment they deserve and they start dying in canada in the u.k. and france germany and all these places where they have this government intrusion it has led to prevention of access to the treatment that people need where were you

when people were dying in the united states because they had health insurance where were you known when people were dying because of obamacare we were getting fifty thousand without some a year and the last one what else e-zine why you easily are using employing about all the money that the federal government has to get out of the medicaid pay back program to promote obamacare ok one hundred nine hundred so bill you the dollars that have been spotted phone call bob the care they cut medicare the first two years that obama like democrat telling you not it you know that you know that that is a b.s. talk no they're not talking point that they that they moved it out of one category into another why they don't want category you don't want to use the longer medicare is no no no no no no no no no no. that was going to go to seniors is no longer going to go to seniors it's going to a new category of people and over a lot sympathize a whole family can have a party scheme you know if it is burning but you've already made all should go to

police ponzi that ok ponzi schemes only work in ponzi scheme and often do you know and say don't let us know if you want to see what we did all the same people cut if you want to posses came look at one of your health insurance companies you guys only you don't see them go out looking to bring them home here now and most of the federally run who is over ponzi i don't know where ponzi is i should probably know i mean i ask i'm surprised you know who is killing the money off the top nobody but it's the one who had only fads and yes so medicare operates on three percent overhead united health care operates on a twenty five percent overhead and has an obligation. to help insure its common ass patients who are required to contribute to pay for medicare and when it comes time to get their treatment they are told all this doctor is no longer going to be the network this treatment is no longer going to be allowed to happen in this coming rich for it's not the best how do you want to put the money in when it comes time for you to get it it's not a concept that's how insurance works here described maybe sure and so that's how palliating our class now if you've got a c.e.o.

like dollar bill mcguire who took one point six billion dollars on a united health care stephen and so you took over a billion dollars at a united health care i would say yeah they're acting like i was you know that i had one question ok we got out of there anything you people who don't have health insurance and under under obamacare why have only three million signed up so far because it takes a few it takes you you know let's go perhaps about three years joining really right so thank you for coming up ukrainian president viktor yanukovych she says he's reached a truce with protesters with that truce last the answer right after this. yes i feel it when i close my eyes i see people in mosques. you know sometimes i think in itself is a face covered by most. people in most on both sides of the barricades we don't want. to. live

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to the us the news just a few hours ago ukrainian president victory call bitch reached a truce opposition leaders that could put a freeze on that country's ongoing political crisis the move comes just a day after twenty six people including ten police officers were killed in a government tried to break up the protest camps that have taken over independence square in the capital city of kiev in a day of brutal street battles anti-government protesters formed barricades and far off police officers with gas bombs and paving stones live ammunition is reportedly used as well but it is not yet clear by which side although the most extreme violence occurred in kiev the clashes have spread outside the.