grew bigger and bigger and it is switzerland's and should you say stop somewhere we have to have a live limit right but the free movement of people across europe is a pillar of the e.u. aren't just sort of the clearing a war on that basic ideal. oh you know you have to face the fact a crucial points is switzerland is not a member of the european union i think if the european union among their borders want to have free movement of persons that's their problem but with a third country an outside country it seems to be totally normal that immigration is a different story sure i completely agree with you it's not part of the u. but it is heart of europe and also. many treaties with european union to facilitate trade or many other things are not very diligent germany's foreign minister has said that this vote will harm switzerland president of the european commission warrants where citizens could lose their right to leave and work in the you was it worth it was it was the risk. yes i understand that these discussions are on now

but free markets open markets and immigration that's two totally different stories and that's also obvious between russia and the european union you have to come to some kind of trade agreements but free immigration with an outside country does is strange and i'm confident the european union will understand that we have to renegotiate we have to rediscuss this problem this issue immigration from the latest measures that the european union imposed on it was scientific grants and sitting exchanges were frozen and in any regrets about that i don't have any regrets at all i just have to regret within the years twenty years ago ten years ago it was totally clear cut switzerland is also moving towards free movement of persons because for everybody it was clear that switzerland was on the process of

joining the european union now that switzerland has changed its direction and we do not want to become member anymore it seems to be normal that you rearrange immigration which brings me to my next question you're absolutely right fourteen years ago switzerland didn't sign the treaty with european union allowing the frame movement so it was ok then and it's not ok now why. because you wanted to fire because at that time that's no longer the case. i mean in my opinion fourteen years ago it was a mistake to to to negotiate this free movement of persons but it was logical in the sense that the whole swiss elite wanted to go towards brussels join the european union do to me that seems to be normal if the ukraine for instance would say to themselves it is logical that we are a member of the european union and then you can start to discuss free movement of persons but if you want to stay outside in long terms you will never agree on free

movement of persons because that is that is the substance substance of every individual country to have to control over immigration like united states canada japan china of course canada every country russia has to stay independent in the sense they regulate their immigration themselves that seems to be logical so would you accept a return to visas quotas border. we want to return to controlling immigration again visa has to do something with people traveling across the borders free movement of persons is similar but free movement of persons says you have to right to install yourself permanently in a country and no other independent country would do this the americans the russians

the chinese to canadians nobody would agree we just open the borders for anybody who wants to come and live here the control of the borders is a different story also important. that's controlling the borders but my main point is immigration an independent country has to control itself but when you talk about cracking down on immigration or limiting immigration you automatically fail like you're talking about eyes english isolationist policies and then you can't help the figure that switzerland which is you know hard country the platic center of the world how can it live with isolationist policies in the world of globalization. i have never heard the argument australia singapore or whichever country is isolated of course switzerland doesn't want to be isolated we are one of the most open countries in the world if you take the percentage of foreign people who live

here the percentage of swiss people who get married with people from other countries etc etc we are an extremely open minded country and this will remain life there's no question isolated that is not a discussion point we will certainly be isolated but the control about immigration yes or no that's a different story well can do anything to it is a concern no switzerland's multi-national company is that this will be bad for business. i think so we should we have to shown our own industry and we have to shown our friends our neighbors that we are open minded and we are good. cooperation grounds no doubt about this any other field that's transports this would be. a research this will be you name it we can have contracts with our friends and neighbors and for our own is industry people really bring

support and help build up switzerland of course we let them immigrate every country does this if russia if the united states needs people to come and work here they can let them come within destry we are an open country but everybody can come free movement of persons and we cannot control any more this the swiss population doesn't want so how can you press size there what kind of immigrants are you trying to limit and why. this will be the discussion which we have within the next one to three years within switzerland left parties right parties etc the d.n.c. it cannot be true that the question cannot be answered so easily look at the other european countries it's obvious they have to free movement of persons but nevertheless they have problems with immigration also if you talk to people from

great britain if you talk to spain to italy they have a problem with the immigration from rumania from the east there is a part of the immigration which causes problems and i don't see why an outside country like switzerland should not have the rights to control this so for you the main target emigration on target is the same as all the e.u. members are concerned they if they knew only joined members like bulgaria romania and all the eastern european block am i correct is this is this your target group. our target is make it possible again to control and to limit we do not want at all to make a difference between different countries we do not want to make a difference between portugal between as tony between greece and ireland all members of the u. of of the european union of course we want to treat them all the same but if the

number of immigrants is stronger as much as a. drone to last years then i think if people from the from the european union here dimensions they understand what we are talking about and i think we have to find means to limit what about highly qualified professionals are they also going to be limited. i think the percentage of highly qualified immigration is so small that there we do not ever have a problem but the quantity altogether is a problem usually stress the point that. if you compare switzerland to the european union as a whole in dimensions it is as the european union would have year per year ten million ten million new permissions for people to move into the european union that's the dimensions because what's all of this so a small eight million european union more than five hundred million we have an

immense immigration in switzerland and please understand the people who are responsible for the european union please understand we do have a tremendous problem and we have to solve it ourselves right we're going to take a short break now mr samaras has stemmed the last president else quest peoples party drank force behind immigration curbing move that's recently been approved on a nationwide referendum in switzerland after the break we'll talk about the waves this latest with measures will send to actually stay with us. thank you very much. sigrid laboratory kirby was able to build the world's most sophisticated robot which on fortunately doesn't give a darn about anything tunes mission to teach creation why it should care about

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push to limit emigration to switzerland that's resulted in a referendum approval just recently so mr show we're talking about what kind of immigration you would have or you would like to curb on so then when you talk about curbing the aggression the first question that arises of course is are swiss people willing to do the jobs that immigrants traditionally do you know i mean claiming factory work oh yes of course the swiss people are ready to make the work which has to be done in switzerland that's like any country from the economic point of view if you open too quickly and totally you would have pressure on the salaries that's obvious so i think switzerland the spitter off if they do lots of the works themselves like educating people to be doctors and not just import foreign people on lower salaries that's a mistake i believe but if they're being imported doesn't that mean that there is an economic need for them. well in

a certain way of course. like let's take this famous example between california and mexico if you would open the borders totally of course many employers from california would hire mexicans to low. with low income that is obvious same development we see in europe it's obvious study in germany they want to hire to a certain degree people from the eastern countries to lower salaries but the please understand if the so if switzerland is trying to resolve this problem by their own rules and limits immigration in some way i do have a question concerning your particular come pain us so one complain or ask if there are too many muslims in switzerland i also know that your party was behind country way minaret ban so. you get a feeling that this is just an anti muslim thing what do you say to that. i don't have. that it has

a religious side its this campaign and does problem this initiative certainly did not but one problem everybody everywhere exists is an obvious problem if you have movements too quickly if from any muslim country there is too much immigration into another country they can handle this problem well you and i think the politicians have to responsibility to control developments like this are slowed down in a certain way because integration is possible if it doesn't go too fast so fast moving movements are always a mistake whether in religion or in politics but do you feel like rising less than culture is a threat to switzerland right now. right now no or not yet i saw the developments in italy i am often in italy and my children are.

twenty years old and they are in italy often and they see we have an increasing problem between the youth of italy and from north africa also muslims and we have problems that they start not liking each other and i say this is the responsibility of the politicians if you admit these movements to be too quickly you cause to problems and that's difficult to handle your europe has shown with all these problems too much too much of a different culture can also be a problem but why why was there a muslim woman and a veil pictured on your poster if it were if your campaign is to curb immigration in general and not particularly targeting western groups. that is a wonderful side of the swiss democracy that anybody can post posters and anybody can go into the newspapers and publish whatever he wants him in this

picture you talked about right now this is not our official party our party said we have to limit like this and this and then inevitably there is also groups of people who come up perhaps with a little bit more radical slogans but that doesn't hurt that doesn't hurt because it's much better in the swiss system these problems are discussed they are discussed openly and like this you don't have any radical changes and radical tendencies look like a scare tactic to us what do you think you are in general has a problem with the rise of the muslim culture within its borders. europe starts to have a problem if the politicians make mistakes let's say if europe to european union suddenly would open its borders towards north africa and they would say everybody free movement of persons also towards north africa of course you would have problems and this would be

a tremendous mistake the politicians can make and so i strongly believe it's the politicians responsibility if problems arise now let's talk about the here appear in reaction to your referendum why do you think the so upset by the vote why switzerland like you've said isn't part of the block and isn't planning to join the european union has certain rules and the free movement of persons is one if everywhere travelling around free like united states between new york california it's one principle everywhere to say money is another pro is another principle everywhere it is same or law the same rights and does is a next principle weapon like you are not you are a lock so why would they be so upset you are not part of the e.u. so why would they be so yes but they of they might be seeing ok of switzerland as a small country is successful the wealth is better than in other areas of the

european union it might be a certain jealousy it might be a certain fear if switzerland proves to be a successful country then we have similar reactions in the european union i don't know you have to ask our colleagues and friends in the european union why they do not like this development in switzerland but do you feel like the new small to culturalism policies are being imposed on switzerland. it is imposed if they insist that we have to have to same immigration rule and then of course you can talk about imposing i don't think that the european has a right towards the outside either switzerland or to you can use the ukraine or russia the european union does not have to right to impose the immigration laws to somebody else years in that sense it is not correct if they would behave like this

but if you look at the larger picture the idea that immigration is failing is also a growing one within the e.u. is this just scapegoating or is something more profound happening what do you think . that's difficult to judge but again if the european union things that this principle free movement is ok for their own territory it's ok between greece and ireland they can handle this like like they want me as a swiss politician i would never tell them what to do because. i don't have the right and this is it this would be totally to tell anybody else how to behave but you know i'm just trying to get your perspective on the broader picture right leaning parties similar to yours are on the rise in many european states and like you said even if this isn't part of you it is part of europe so i'm sure that your victory will no doubt give them another boost why do you think this is happening

why is a right wing movement on the rise right now. it is not my duty to criticize the european union but then when i read to the media the news etc i say to myself watch out responsible people in brussels you have to tendency to also make mistakes if they don't handle their problems well if you have a if you have an unemployment rate which jumps up name then i think the responsible politicians in brussels germany and. i named germany and france because they're very powerful i think they should start thinking over where their mistakes are because radical groups and rather cool parties only start to exist when those who have the power in hand make mistakes but where do you think they're making their main mistakes as us in the immigration policy is this their main downfall.

as i said before they do not want to criticize the european union and now in a certain way do it in a new way. everywhere just same currency i'm talking about the euro is an obvious mistake which brought them problems. they have to handle that themselves i think free movement of persons has also a very dangerous part if you look at the problems the eastern countries have like rumania millions of people leaving the country on one hand and then on the other hand you have especially him italy spain france england all so long than one hundred thousand people from rumania within a short time i think they should bring up new standards and new system to handle these problems but again they have to decide that's the business of the european union but it sounds like the european ideals are failing the e.u. ideals are failing what do you think. yes we have to be

careful but it is not only the european union it's also the united states if i look at the last ten or even twenty years with a lot of regret i see that the even the so-called rich countries like germany france also california i named them and they are on the way down if i judge the situation correctly if i travel around in california i see poverty which i have never seen there in recent years if i travel through france paris down to mars it must say it is a frightening increase of poverty so that means the politicians make sure i'm in this mistakes. so do you think by curbing the immigration that would take care of the problem or at least partially. i strongly believe that if you have a control of immigration people who are responsible politicians who are responsible

for a certain area for a certain area in africa for a certain area here in europe let's take switzerland you only can solve the problems in a positive good way if. these areas limited if as a politician you have to decide for the whole world if you have to decide for both garia and germany imposes the same rules that gets difficult gets difficult that gets difficult if you if you see greece if you see friends and they have such different problems and possibilities of economy of economical possibilities the smaller you have the entities the easier perhaps in a certain way the european union can also learn something from switzerland in that regard. you brought up france many times and the latest polls from france say that the majority of people there are disappointed with the e.u. no doubt their results were influenced also by your referendum in switzerland do

you think other countries will follow us what's on some sample. i don't see how european countries who are member of the european union can solve the problem without leaving the european union so it's all of us that countries like great britain or france you name francis specially with increasing poverty in my opinion they have a difficult they have a difficult time to solve these problems but i think at least they should rearrange the principle rules of free movement of persons and improve the system but mr john thank you very much for this interview alyssa stump from the swiss people's party the force behind the measure limiting immigration into switzerland has just been approved on a referendum that thank you very much for being with us so that's what far south america this time i'll see you next time i. can think you very much it was my pleasure thank you and good luck to you and your country.

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