that is supreme court heard arguments in a case that challenges an e.p.a. requirement that companies get permits anytime they want to construct new plants or factories or amid a lot of greenhouse gases and thus increase pollution they go and republicans view that requirement as part of a larger environmental power grab by president obama even though it's actually an existential step to helping to combat pollution and climate change so what's the bottom line on the latest assault against the v.a. and what happens if the supreme court decides against the obama administration joining me now for more on the case is shane farnham supreme court reporter for talk radio news service chain welcome back thank you so much good to have you who are the players in this case where does it come from and what's the what's the there will be lot of plaintiffs in this case and a bunch of different cases were filed in the kind of not even in conjunction they each different industry groups different states states that are very dependent on the energy industry texas was the leader of the states the supreme court got i

think in the neighborhood of twelve lawsuits on this issue will get down to six and then combine them all into one question so essentially six different lawsuits today but one question and that was the question you pointed out does e.p.a. have the authority under the permanent process to regulate greenhouse gas emissions and this is under the law that was passed back in the seventy's and that has been operated periodical from brian todd there was a case back in two thousand and seven this was when the e.p.a. was the bush cheney e.p.a. a number of states more progressive states massachusetts california sued the e.p.a. under bush cheney saying you must under these laws regulate greenhouse his e.p.a. it wasn't doing enough that they weren't doing any and this had to do with with the emissions from automobiles and trucks and the supreme court back then in a very close ruling five to four ruled that yes the e.p.a. must regulate these automobile emissions so this case is an outgrowth of that saying we're the if you took this further saying since we can all regulate almost deals we can also regulate these power. the permit process carbon is carbon

pollution exactly the same harm the same means of the harm the supreme court said greenhouse gases are under the threat of the e.p.a. no one even challenge that today not even not to the point of they were complaining about the e.p.a. they were saying that you can't regulate the jail there are the bases of their challenge was this permanent process they're not allowed to do to that it's just the moment they were also it's like a little tiny technical piece of the overall mechanism in fact in reading up on the case ahead of time before i went to hear the argument today a lot of people are downplaying the importance of this case in that it's such a small little part even came up in the arguments that if they rule against the e.p.a. today they will still have authority over eighty three percent of the carbon emissions c o two emissions if they rule in favor of the today would be eighty six so there's only a three percent of margin of fourteen or seventeen percent being the grand plans three percent three percent difference when eighty three and the thirteen or the i

can't do math that fast but the the rest of the above eighty thousand above eighty six that is the there would be most of the power plants that they don't go after because their grandfather did it. because this only deals with the us is only has to do about knew how strong our plants or good or extensions of existing ones are so so so back in two thousand and seven in two thousand and seven when this was argued it was a five four decision the swing vote was justice kennedy probably but it was five four there are four no votes on a case are still on the court thomas scalia alito and chief justice john roberts so the four nos before we said no d.p.a. shouldn't regulate greenhouse gas emissions are still there so we have to get all the rest of the five kennedy was there ginsburg was there prior since then souter and john paul stevens have retired they were replaced by sotomayor and kagan and listening to the arguments today i don't believe that their their votes will be any different than if david souter and. still there so we're looking at again in

a five four we still have we have it was so we still have basically four fairly solid progress of. not as conservative yet not not as conservative but actually a ruth bader ginsburg is oh shit yes solid so but. then briar can be as well yeah but briar. is kind of more of a little the road come together but given that this whole shift of the court is sort of the right i read lawyers book a couple years ago as fascinated with some of those arguments we're going to write without humans. so this takes us back to justice kennedy it does in justice kennedy did not say a lot he expressed some concern with the pay go too far but he most vehemently defended the rule the ruling in two thousand and seven saying this we have to we have to. follow that ruling and it's reasoning he point in i don't know if he was pointing out more to the other justices even then to the attorneys or anyone else making a stir decisis argument we did this it was it was just in and this is not be challenged

here we have to follow that reasoning here which gives me some optimism that he will side with the piano so fast and we'll see how it all shakes out change thanks a lot thanks to chain for it. get the best of the rest of the news environmental activists across america got a huge victory last week i went to nebraska judge struck down a state law that gave nebraska governor dave heineman the power to approve the route of the controversy over keystone x.l. pipeline through the cornhusker state lancaster county district judge stephanie of stacy ruled in favor of three nebraska landowners who had challenged the law and the governor's authority and while it may not sound like much the ruling could delay a decision on the keystone pipeline for a very long time prior to that court's rulings. president obama had been expected

to make a final decision on the keystone x.l. pipeline over the summer or maybe early this fall but thanks to their role in analysts are now saying that the entire keystone project is essentially on a hold for the immediate future and could be delayed for a year or more and that's great news because the keystone x.l. pipeline is a terrible deal for america joining me now for more on why that is dave's salgado producer and director of pipe why is exposed this welcome back pleasure being hyper wise expose my flies expose tell me about that well i was speaking last summer with lisa graves the executive director of the center for media and democracy and she's a lawyer i'm a lawyer and we were both talking about how this this keystone x.l. pipeline just seems like a really bad idea but we couldn't really put our finger on what precisely made it such a bad idea so being lawyers we decided to look at the evidence and what we found was that a lot of what the public is being told about this project is just balls. just lies

like for example this is going to make america energy independent false the oil that comes out of the tar sands is earmarked for foreign markets how do we know that because the government of alberta where the tar sands are located says so because the the energy minister of the canadian federal government says we've got to get to the to those global markets they have essentially gloated the market in the midwest of the united states where they can reach with the current existing pipelines and they're getting about thirty dollars less per barrel than they would on the open market so why do they why do they need keystone x.l. to get to the get to the gulf coast where they can world wide open right so they can get to the gulf coast where the refineries have immediate access to global shipping. there's. so we bring the oil this is really really really dirty oil that leaves a lot of. it's not even fly ash is what is

a coke coke petroleum coke yeah. ash after it's made a lot of waste poison actually tons and tons of it. so we bring the stuff from canada down to the gulf coast we refine it so we get the we get the pollution we get the cancer cancer alley from texas through louisiana gets larger and worse right and. then with the gasoline in the diesel fuel most americans who are supportive of keystone x.l. think that they're going to get their gasoline and diesel fuel not going to happen it's actually going it's actually going to result in higher gas prices for the for consumers in the midwest who are now benefiting from that thirty dollars a keystone actually said that a year or so ago did they not right but they've been. the trans canada is the name of the corporations canada that wants to build the pipeline they've acknowledged that in order to maximize the fuel efficiency our side of the economic efficiency

of developing the tar sands they have to get that one hundred dollars per barrel that the open they could could get on the open market rather than the seventy dollars per barrel that they get in this gloated midwestern market and the middle in the midwest is glutted in part because they're bringing their oil there but also because there's actually oil in the midwest the shale in north dakota that's being fracking and released all right so and then i want to get that right out of there too right in fact you know a lot of the organizations that we spoke to in making this documentary fifty dot org being one of them bill mckibben organization sierra club oil change international they've got all this data we did we didn't uncover a lot of stones here what we did is we took research from a lot of these extremely well well well sourced organizations and put it all together into one legal brief so to speak where we took the claims and showed the evidence and the evident. shows that keystone x.l.

is just a raw deal for the american people it's a colossal boondoggle all right no jobs no oil no enough and it's just to get the poison we get the danger they get the money right and here's here's something that a lot of people don't know that the you know the jobs numbers have been grossly inflated we know that now but something that a lot of people don't know is that in the all risk no reward portion of this you know they've been touting oh there will be great tax income benefits actually there won't. change international reported about a month ago were what they could what they could do a trance candidates create what's called a master limited partnership which is basically a legal fiction a different kind of corporation that essentially lets everybody dodge taxes right. and the all risk part you know that tar sands oil is more caustic it's piped under extreme pressure and leaks become enormous. much harder to clean right because it

sinks rather than flooding that water right the leak in the kalamazoo river is now the most expensive per barrel oil spill in u.s. history but unconventional petroleum products like tar sands oil are exempt from a pipeline a liability trust fund that pays for spills that corporations can't so we pay its price taxes like the nuclear industry is like price anderson on steroids right the taxpayer is on the hook for cleanup for this for this sludge that is more expensive dirtier harder to clean up is it is it you know i saw a news story a while back that the koch brothers who are only worth seventy billion dollars could make one hundred billion dollars in profits just them from this is that accurate or is that an exam i don't know the exact numbers but they are very. in their various subsidies are very heavily invested in keystone x.l. the coke piles that you may have heard about in detroit and now in chicago some in ohio the pet the pet coke is owned by the koch brothers which they export. to

foreign companies to foreign countries rather that don't have the environmental protections they can't afford it because it's a cheap coal substitute it's dirtier than coal so you know it's sub-saharan africa nation that's trying to develop its industry or somewhere somewhere in southern asia that doesn't have the money to turn their nose up. and the documentary is available at at. story. exposed dot org and that will be live tomorrow great great documentary dave thank you very much always a pleasure to be here great to see coming up if you think climate change is bad now you ain't seen nothing yet what's lurking under the crystal blue seas in the arctic and i don't we keep it from dealing a death blow to the human race on the planet. leg .

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problems which would be described as angry i think in a strong enough or single. so sometimes you know what you know and sometimes you know what you don't know and sometimes as the fires. and everything goes wrong. go with it you're wrong if you were here you're right. to think that your view of my life. you know is wrong right now the idaho state legislature is considering a so-called ag gag bill that would make it a crime to take photos or video at a factory farm without the factory farm owners permission the bill is in response to public backlash over very disturbing videos that you're watching now that were released in two thousand and twelve showing workers at betancourt diaries dairies and ohio in idaho kicking beating and jumping on cows now mercy for animals the

group that originally released the abuse videos has released new and more disturbing footage of abuse at betancourt betancourt dairies so if you think that intentionally kicking and beating animals is as bad as animal abuse can get everything you know is wrong joining me now is banned in the bali general counsel with mercy for animals ben and that welcome. thank you thanks for joining us i want to play a clip from mercy for animals new. to our viewers take a look but a warning this may be disturbing for some. of the kids eyes. whose dearie factory farmers say they love their animals they just don't want you to know how.

they are by the largest periodic. should be. punching and. that's pretty amazing is that was sexual abuse of animals in factory farms that were seen is the common factory farms. every time mercy for animals has sent undercover investigators into factory farms across the country they document practices that would shock and horrify most americans the sexual abuse that we saw here is one example of the really horrifying practices that exist in these factory farms and what the factory farming interests are so desperate to try and hide we're any workers charged for the abuse that you showed in that video or the one that you released in two thousand and twelve. absolutely as a result of mercy for animals investigation into in two thousand and twelve three

workers including one manager of that facility were charged with criminal cruelty to animals and in fact mercy for animals has conducted five investigations of dairy operations all across the country and every single investigation has led to criminal charges against these dairy workers and that leads us to believe that animal abuse runs rampant in the dairy industry and so now come these gag was laws that would make what you're doing across by videotaping or taking pictures of people abusing animals and publicizing them or even without publicizing them by simply taking those pictures. it's seen as sort of one plus one equals two that the reason they want these ag gag laws is so you can stop documenting their crimes do they have any rationale beyond. there really is no rationale for these bills except to keep consumers in the dark about where their food comes from and how

animals are treated on factory farms it's a shameful attempt to protect corporate profits over the health and safety of the i'm. public so is the. do you think that the idaho legislature is going to ask this legislation i'm guessing the you know factory farms these are big corporations that they've got some money to pay off some politicians. absolutely and you know the lawmakers that support these sorts of anti whistleblower bills are definitely you know prove factory farming lawmakers we believe though that lawmakers should be strengthening animal protection laws and preventing and prosecuting cruelty to animals not making it harder to expose so what can we the people do to fight back against these proposed ag gag laws. well i encourage everyone to visit our website mercy for animals dot org and if you sign

up on our website then we can send you information on how to stop agag bills in your state and how pervasive you know we were talking about idaho here how many other do any states have laws on the books right now if so how many and how many states are contemplating. currently. few states iowa utah and missouri have agag bills laws that were enacted in twenty twelve idaho is one bill that is making its way. this year two thousand and fourteen there's a couple of other states arizona is considering an ag gag bill this year as well so people who are interested in. yes exactly people and to get active please visit us at mercy for animals dot org you go thank you so much for being with us thank you very much and know everything you know at home about animal abuse of dairy farms.

president obama has decided that since congress won't act on anything he's going to get things done with his regulatory agencies he may want to start with the e.p.a. if he wants humans to continue living on this planet for more than the next few generations there's a crisis in the arctic and we are helping because the e.p.a. actually could do something about it. there's a situation as greenhouse gases increase our planet warms c o two is now above four hundred parts per million for the first time in the one hundred sixty five thousand year history of humans on this planet is january was worldwide the fourth warmest on history in history and the arctic sea ice was at its fourth lowest level in the history of satellite measurements as u.s.

national oceanic and atmospheric administration notes in the atmosphere five hundred millibar high pressure anomalies correlate well with temperatures at the earth's surface as fancy science speak for temperatures are associated with atmospheric pressure you'll recall from your fourth grade science class that the eye of a hurricane is the point of lowest parametric pressure and that the intensity of a storm front like women giant bunder storm rolls through is largely a function of the difference in the temperature and pressure differences behind and in front of that storm front which takes us to one theory about why it's so damn cold in d.c. in the rest of the eastern us and so hot in alaska and california the arctic is warming a lot faster than the mid-latitudes of the world like most of the united states the danish meteorological institute notes that average temperatures in the arctic have been between nine and twenty seven degrees fahrenheit above normal over the past

few weeks there used to be a huge temperature difference between the u.s. latitudes in the arctic latitudes and that temperature difference in the pressure difference associated with it is to maintain a giant wall of air north of us that keeps the jet stream in place the jet stream is a river of air that runs around the world just solved south of the arctic and used to keep cold polar air over the north pole it did so because of the big difference in temperatures and pressures between us and the arctic but now the arctic has warmed so much that twenty seven degrees fahrenheit measured just a few weeks ago the difference in temperature and pressure isn't so great. the jet stream is going to keep rolling along in part because of the rotation of the earth which hasn't stopped but without that giant wall of air to hold it in place the main thing that's controlling where the jet stream can go are mountains we have a big chain of them that runs from the alaska down to new mexico and we generally

referred to it as the rockies this may well explain why that jet stream is being kept above the area from anchorage to los angeles keeping that area very warm while just east of the rockies it's drooling all the way down to texas and georgia and when the jet stream falls it lets the cold polar air slide off the north pole a man's hat falling down over his face and that cold polar air makes it insanely frigid here. this is a big big problem for a bunch of reasons like how it's screwing with our weather but more importantly it may well be the beginning of a catastrophic positive feedback loop of warming in the arctic and the cold polar air comes down here warmer air from other parts of the world goes up toward the dorothy pole and when it gets there it makes the north pole warm even faster the on the damage this is doing to the arctic the biggest danger here is that a thawing arctic could release millions of tons of methane frozen under the arctic

and there's a lot of methane out there as masses dr charles miller noted in their view with me just a few months ago on this program. is a sleeping giant a stirring in the arctic. it's thought that there are approximately one thousand eight hundred billion metric tons of carbon sequestered in the frozen soils and peat moons and permafrost of the arctic in the northern high latitudes and you can see how much that is when you contrast that with the three hundred fifty billion tons that we pulled out of the earth as fossil fuel burned and. dumped into our atmosphere just since the civil war in the beginning of the industrial revolution. as dr miller noted most of that won't be free any day soon but it's still a huge loaded gun pointed at our heads particularly if the carbon that's released comes out as methane as opposed to carbon dioxide this is

a big deal because powerful because methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide is which brings us to the most recent satellite views and air measurements from the arctic from just the past few weeks as sam khurana notes over at the arctic news blog there's been a virtual explosion of methane melting up from under the water and the ice of the arctic over the past few weeks this could represent a tipping point that we're either close to or maybe have even already asked a tipping point where more and more warming in the arctic leads that region to release more and more carbon into the atmosphere that carbon then speeds up the warming of the arctic which in turn speeds up the release of more carbon spinning out of control this is a scenario our planet has seen before five times in a big way and a few other smaller ones we refer them to them as extinctions you can see more

about that over at last hours or. which brings us back to the e.p.a. the supreme court has ruled in the past that the e.p.a. has the authority to regulate the atmosphere emissions of carbon dioxide all the fossil fuel industry was back before the supreme court today arguing against that it's the wall right now if there's even a small chance of an extinction the death of more than half of all life on earth the president and the e.p.a. should be acting today no matter how much the baron's of carbon from the koch brothers to exxon mobil the trans canada the matter how much they may dislike it the weird behavior of the jet stream is warning us right now. today but we have to do something and do it quickly mr president please move forward with your instructions to the e.p.a. to regulate and reduce carbon dioxide emissions. and that's the way it is monday february twenty fourth twenty four. begins with you.

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