i think. it's. all about politics panel with me are david and sweet and lisa do. let's get back to it according to the guardian the obama administration is considering transferring more of the detainees out of guantanamo bay guardian is reporting that a small number of current get more detainee's are being considered for transfer final decision has been made yet though this comes in the wake of the republican manufactured bowe bergdahl release scandal which many first saw as the obama administration testing the powers are testing the water when it came to closing down get paired with ministration official the majority of agencies involved the

transfer discussions favor the transfers we've got eighty six i think is the number of people in guantanamo right now who not only have never been. charged the crime never been connected to a crime but the bush administration declared had never ever committed a crime they were they were picked up in appropriately and they've been down there for twelve years now should we at least be letting these eighty six people to. make that case in the light of day i mean and said oh you know transfer this i mean what a lot of people now don't think that it was a transfer for bergdahl that it was you know cover for it or that bergdahl transfer was was cover for this i mean if if they want to make the case that these people should be released i think they should make the case i mean i know that you know it is one of the president's promises and yes he wants to feel that to the to his base but you know let's have the case be made i want to hear it well you know this is a it's. against the law is. looking at this from

a fairly partisan lens when this was given it was a blot on american history as well as let's all get together the law was not in notifying congress before twelve but see that's a law that was passed by the republicans to prevent. from or last night by zero is still that what i want but what they were not i mean like i said this is a this is a blot on american history like when when john adams put twenty newspaper publishers in prison seventeen ninety eight this is just a horrible incident and and what the republicans want is a decade from now historians to say george bush did it and obama kept it in place for eight years and everybody's going to forget the fact that every year when the when the authorization for the military is passed the republicans and sort of line that says that the president may not use one penny of this appropriation to remove people from guantanamo he's forbidden by law from doing it but he put aside in saving on there saying the only reason that this is in here is because the republicans don't want to get close and that's not an appropriate reason and i'm

going to ignore that yet it's amazing that we're still at the situation when it comes to kuantan of obey but i think of that and i think a big part of this is because of republican rhetoric around this issue that people still think everybody in here is this you know battle hardened war criminal a lot of these people were just picked up by american troops from some of them as children yet big some of these i think eight or nine people have actually been in guantanamo bay since they were children they've grown up as a suitable person you know a lot seventy eight of the people within this prison been cleared for release by every single important defense department cia every single important foreign policy agency in this country and they're still sitting there at their wish illustrate that these people that we accept that this sort of gross violation of human rights happened in this country so it's basically like the sales of dollars were spent on a p.r. education plan for obamacare educate us on why these people are not terrorists and why they got to be not don't get it i think george bush said that george bush said these number that is so i said. do you get what i pay the bills feels like this is

a good enough case to buy a lot violate a current law then tell us why the seventy eight people put you know a big ad in the newspaper with all their pictures and say this person you know is not connected to care and yeah sure i would agree with you the president probably needs to make a better case for this if you read wants to make it is number one issue but a he has a lot of other issues on his table so it would be difficult for him to campaign solely on this issue but i don't understand is if you guys are conservatives of this table and you don't want the government to spend exorbitant amounts of money why do you want guantanamo bay to stay open it is ridiculously expensive it has no benefit at all to the american people and it's actually harder million dollars of your efforts in our speculation are either case and you know that because that would be for that plan or says benefits of the american people would keep people who are terrorist who are enemy combatants in a prison so would the supermax and why don't we try these people what's wrong with trying to my mouth because they're because they are not because they're superman no

they're not sort of pretty though it does not have to people who do not wear uniforms in combat do not have to be tried as soldiers under the geneva conventions so so you've got oh this is going to do there's no really have it we have no congressional declaration of war you have what i think i think this is what about the guantanamo bay situation is that republicans both want us to be in a war on terror that terror boston accent came out there they want us to be in this all you know no holds barred assault on islamic extremism throughout the world but the same time when it actually comes to dealing with the very logical constraints we put on war making power somehow they want to deviate from that and tell us that we're not in a war so you know if you want to be in a war you have to accept the constraints of the gene i mention i know that but now i know to have it both ways were no no no no no no no that's not what i said i didn't say we were in a war i said that if you want the geneva conventions if you want those to apply your side has to obey what's in the geneva conventions and if you're in

a war but they and who. were in so i guess it was the soldiers are not wearing uniforms and they are not wearing uniforms or a particular country they are not entitled to the protections of the geneva conventions it's that simple. so you still don't want to try these people for attacking american soldiers that they are guilty of attacks on americans because they can be tried pretty easily under terrorism while which we have tried multiple other people who are associated with al qaeda and if there is not an argument that makes any sense at all to me i don't under understand in any case i were starting to come back around talking in circles here let's americans have lost faith in the american dream apparently according to a new poll from c.n.n. money the first time ever nearly sixty percent of americans say that the american dream is unattainable young adults aged eighteen to thirty four are most likely to feel that the american dream is unattainable sixty three percent say it's completely impossible sixty three percent those poll also said most children in the

u.s. will be better off than their parents so is it time for us to say you know for from the george washington to the station to the ronald reagan administration every generation literally felt life was going to get better for their kids and now we've had thirty four years of reaganomics the experiment has been tried supply side economics laughter curve the tax cuts all this stuff and what is what i do have a stable high feel sorry for you folks on the left i mean you have to trot out this ridiculous blame this on the reagan when the fact is these numbers were much better on reagan look i really feel that was no eyes were really have you here i really feel sorry for you folks on the left i mean after five years of five and a half years of a very left wing president more government spending a big government health care program and leftwing foreign policy the americans feel worse about the future all the time must be a very bitter pill for you because we have a very simple graphic. i mean you could track it literally all the way back to the

george washington administration with some exceptions for world war one and the civil war but as from the beginning of this country until the reagan administration as you can see here's the here's the graph as well as productivity went on. which is the red line which is the ability of a business to produce things corporate profits everything else is productivity went up wages went up until the reagan presidency until ronald reagan declared war on organized labor in one thousand nine hundred and then wages started to flatten out but productivity continued are going to break if you're in the seventy's the trend began there not before not with ronald reagan actually they are merging in seventy eight and then they're breaking apart yeah you get some but i notice our this this is one reaganomics came in to put into play and this is this seems to me like a fairly clear trend line. well if you're left wing politics happy to blame it on what i don't know i mean it's also just politics i mean when you turn for those two by their cry blame obama look it's getting worse under him you know he's

a proponent of way trader ways are going off and he hasn't done anything to work to roll back to early yeah i mean i think part of the discussion about what he's raised taxes and it was discussion about living in the age of reaganomics realizing that it's not just republicans who are supporting these ideas but it dop did wholeheartedly in some cases by the mainstream of the democratic party were living in a new ideological age of the worship of the free market and i think that's what used to read that's the direct result of that we're seeing over there in that chart is americans are no longer able to attain the kind of wealth they were once able to do so by by working you know obama as it were rather infamously. a year or so ago that reagan was actually was a revolutionary that he actually did peruse you know he was asked in an interview what what president was the most consequential in your lifetime and you didn't see john kennedy said ronald reagan you know he changed america and he really did he did it was as much a revolution as the franklin roosevelt presidents yet and i think that's

a good point because one of the one of the difficulties about having this discussion about reaganomics is only sometimes and sometimes in the left people talk about it as a failed policy as opposed to a successful policy you know people have cleaned their clear winners and losers and the reaganomics here in the united states where it's good it's working great for the top for example and i think it's designed that way it's not necessarily failed policy or arguably of resolution undersell to survive as far as like corporate tax something we're still far above you know other countries i wouldn't say not effective. not on this don so it's doing actively i mean i certainly don't argue that people's hope in the american dream has gone down i mean there's this new group called american encore that's basically showing that you know you go into a school us children what is the best country less than. third now i will say that america is the best country on earth and has nothing to do with you know being in a phobic or anything like that but the fact that we were founded on certain ideals that a lot of people think that we don't have them and i don't think that we did obama

isn't actually the cause of it i think obama is the symptom of people having less hope in the country well this in and less in the end this guy think is the cause. because his policies have been a big failure i mean one. well let's see we have syria we have afghanistan we have against it was we were there which started syria was a consequence of global warming i mean that syria was not the consequence of most certainly it was in all of these routes the start of all riots which were the consequence of big reason for or against the assad regime is that it you know drop your disappearance yet they drop the words you know it's only going along with the failure of the stimulus didn't have any one of yours working quite well no it is not. losing seven hundred thousand jobs a month under bush to you know we're now back this this month we just hit. the level levels of employment that we were just stimulated whenever they did any of

the administration to mean that people's view of government has failed so badly that they were ok with obama being president adly i think a big reason people are so cynical about government is you know in the one nine hundred ninety s. we had this period of optimism that people thought that you know american democracy and road reached its peak you know that might have been a little bit misguided but i think a big reason people are so cynical about the government is that the bush administration the really shattered any idea of america's moral or economics in the world but you know i think the in a lot of ways the bombing ministrations continued some of the bat policies of the bush administration but it's important not to forget that the major reason most people view the america so badly these days is because of the damage done with for the first time i know that major rain is. ok now you do think you. need sweet depends. ali thank you all for being honest. coming up the government is increasingly making journalists testify against their sources making it nearly impossible for them to do their jobs so whatever happened to freedom of the press

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as the rest of the news of the senate doesn't screw things up we might finally get the kind of media shield law that our democracy requires late last month the republican controlled house of representatives passed the so-called commerce science and related agencies appropriations act of two thousand and fifteen h.r. forty six sixty by a margin of three hundred twenty one to eighty seven its own there's nothing all that interesting about h.r. forty six sixty it's your basic cut and dry appropriations bill that lays out how a handful of federal agencies including the d.o.j. can spend their money h.r.

forty six sixty is the kind of bill a congress passes all the time without a whole lot of the attention but believe it or not there actually is something really interesting about h.r. forty six sixty something that could have a huge impact on how our government interacts with the only industry mentioned by name in the constitution the press that something is h.r. six forty six sixty's section five sixty one an amendment sponsored by florida congressman alan grayson section five sixty one says none of the funds made available by this act may be used to compel a journalist or a reporter to testify about information or sources that he regards as confidential basically what this means is that the government can't force journalists to testify . in court against their sources even if their sources are on trial for leaking top secret information that in the government's opinion could threaten national security this is

a huge deal right now the obama administration is trying to make new york times reporter james rise and testify in the trial of jeffrey sterling a cia agent who risin used as a source for his book on the cia eyes and tried getting out of testifying against sterling by appealing his case to the u.s. supreme court but that court refused to hear is appeal confirming a lower court's decision said that rising couldn't ignore a subpoena just because he's a journalist or as in this case cuts right to the heart of freedom of the press and he could actually end up going to jail over this when the government makes journalists testify against their sources that basically makes it impossible for them to do their jobs at least in any meaningful way and it scares other potential sources away from even thinking about talking to a reporter this isn't just bad for the media it's bad for our democracy we need the media to be a fourth a state a functional fourth branch of government that keeps the other three in check and holds them responsible and when reporters can't work resources especially

government sources because those sources are scared that they'll testify against them that makes it impossible for the press to do what it needs to do the most cover of government corruption secret cia programs and other malfeasance by insiders we need a media shield law that protects acts of journalism as well as journalists themselves that's why section five sixty one of the commerce science and related agencies appropriations act is so crucial if we take the most important act any journalist can ever do work with sources to write a story the house of representatives has spoken it believes in protecting the freedom of press soon will find out if the senate does too joining me now for more on this is the man behind section five sixty one of the calmer science related agencies appropriations act alan grayson congressman from florida's ninth can grow . district congressman grayson welcome back to the program thank you thanks so much for joining us and thanks so much for putting forward this amendment really really

this is a good thing one of the interesting things about your amendment is that it passed with substantial bipartisan support initially it was declared in a voice vote not to have passed you called for a roll call and it turned out fifty three republicans one hundred seventy two democrats voted for it your thoughts on that in the bipartisan nature. well is appealing to democrats because it's a standard civil liberties issue it's in the constitution freedom of the press in the first amendment we've had this problem now going back forty two years since an unwise supreme court decision that said that there was no such thing as a journalism shield law except in extreme circumstances and for forty two years people of good conscience have been trying to change that and make sure that the free flow of information can continue unfortunately the courts have looked to the congress to act and congress has failed to act in this case we appeal to democrats as a civil liberty issue appeal to republicans as a constitutional issue they often claim to be supporters and respecters of the

constitution we said read it see what it says the first amendment prevents this kind of activity by the government but it's happening time after time to the point where journalism is becoming a felony and when i made that argument to the republicans fifty three of them accepted it and we did reverse the result of that voice vote. passed just days before the supreme court refused to hear james rosen's appeal. were you putting that amendment together with his case in mind or just a coincidence and what are your thoughts on the rise in case well i think it's an example of a problem that's been with us for many many years there have been reporters that have actually been incarcerated for failure to reveal their sources when their sources are confidential sources we have to respect the free flow of information in this country if we don't then we're all losers we're well on our way to establishing first class and second class citizenship just by virtue of the fact that five million people now have access to classified information and three hundred million don't but that alone means that we're heading for difficulties in

this case the media going back to pentagon papers and earlier has tried desperately to point out who was unconstitutional acts by the government but the national security system goes and tries to incarcerate both the whistle blowers and the reporters for simply doing their jobs and under the obama administration we've seen a pretty massive clamp down on leakers. to be honest and almost any assault on journalists who report leaks rise in itself is called the obama administration a threat to the freedom of the press which really is makes me uncomfortable i thought what's your take on on this is ministrations record on press issues or is this just you know this is what the executive branch does cover up what the executive branch is doing i think it's unfortunate there's one particular law involved here that the administration this is the obama to straighten as applied to whistleblowers more than all other administrations combined i think that's unfortunate i don't understand exactly why the administration is acting this way i wish they would rethink that if we reach

a point where journalists like glenn greenwald needs to fear for his own safety and freedom returning to his country of origin that we've really gone astray but i've encouraged by the fact the republicans more and more see this issue the same way the democrats too and were able to get a vote on important issues like this in the house despite the normal iron grip of the republican leadership that has us voting on establishing committees and renaming post offices as much as anything else procedurally does this now go to the senate for consideration or is the senate creating their own version which then will end up going into conference committee yes one of the beauties of this approach is that both the house and the senate have to vote on appropriations bills each year otherwise the government shuts down we've been very active in my office and taking advantage of that fact typically the house leadership the republican house leadership has the votes on immigration reform a minimum wage increase and so on so we take advantage of these must pass votes these must pass bills in order to put in progressive ideals in the form of legal

proposals this will go to the senate like every other appropriation bill goes to the senate this is one of the secrets in the way that we were able to pass thirteen of them and so on the floor of the house last year more than any other member of congress democratic or republican even though we lose every single time on a party line vote we being alan grayson we being alan grayson who slate magazine said was the most effective member of the house. as of this wow that's that's pretty damn impressive so what do you think the odds are that the senate is just going to pass this bill as it stands and goes right to the president versus they're going to go back into for example your your amendment pull it out or fiddle with. i think that the senate will definitely not pass the bill as written because it includes very harsh budget cuts in other areas of the bill that the senate and the american people simply don't agree with this is largely a tea party bill what i'm hoping is that people will appeal to senators individual senators to support the shield law and that there are certain champions of freedom

of speech like senator bernie sanders in the senate will pick this up as a cause of his own yeah indeed yes if the house unanimously passed your afghanistan election resolution can you tell us about that sure we are approaching a point now where afghanistan is starting to function like a normal country and a lot of blood has been shed and a lot of taxpayer dollars spent in the interim in my opinion the war in afghanistan should have been over a long time ago i'm sure many americans agree with that if you combine the war in iraq in the war in afghanistan we have a quarter of a million servicemen who now have permanent brain abnormalities as a result of these two efforts on our part plus a nobel prize winning economist putting a price tag of four billion dollars on these wars which is roughly five percent of our national net worth four trillion sorry four trillion i apologize for trillion dollars five percent of our national net worth these wars have been very unfortunate the fact that there was

a free election in afghanistan that is leading to what appears to be a free transfer of power voluntary transfer of power from one leader to no other is encouraging but frankly in my opinion enough is enough and we should leave afghanistan and make sure the afghan people take control of their own fate rather than occupy the country for another decade do you have any thoughts on what's happening in iraq today we were talking with with david ignatius earlier in washington post on this program about mosul falling and pollution already gone it demonstrates the complete failure of the bush administration and the waste of four trillion dollars. the there was supposed experts supposed to guarantee that what is happening today would never happen and obviously it was a failure. the idea that we can somehow radically transform a country's history and its arc through time simply by sending over one hundred thousand troops to occupy it is false and we need to understand our limitations and

avoid another wasteful intervention like the one that we saw in iraq and the one that we're still seeing in afghanistan we have just a minute left if i could just go back to the press for a second when dianne feinstein started talking about let's only have a shield law that protects people who get a paycheck as a as a reporter i suggested that we should be protecting acts of journalism as opposed to journalists i'm curious your thoughts on that distinction i agree with you and in fact in order to make that point clear i submitted legislative history one of the nice things about our amendments is that they're short this is fifty two words but sometimes you need to explain exactly what you meant by grace and then that now is backed up by four pages in the congressional record explaining that point and other points about how this amendment is to be applied that's great congressman alan grayson you're doing such great work and think it's us or are you thanks thanks so much for being with us thank you. and that's the way it is tonight

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