on larry king now the lord who can use it and when and light of the n.f.l. ruling our panel of experts discusses the hot button issue a lot of times you're going to hear that word on the field as a term of endearment but then how do you legislate that and at the same time enforce rules about not saying it why is it the in word is the only word that is going to fall into this way if you're going to pick war and they need to all be a part of it or you can just have one of them that's and that's discriminatory in of itself plus jews don't call each other that's what i call each other but they do don't they say oh they use it instead of your nasty what a difference in terms of me being offended and on the care if you put a on it or the r. and i don't really care for i just hear one thing i have i used it yes well i

continue to use it with a weekly but i wish i didn't use it at all and i feel disappointed in myself when i do even when i'm talking to a group of african-americans all next on larry king now. welcome to larry king now in early two thousand and fourteen the n.f.l. proposed a ban on the use of the n. word in competition a move that is sparked great debate amongst the league's players officials and fans and today we're discussing the n.f.l.'s ruling the place that the n word has in our society and its effect on race relations in america joining is an outstanding panel today ryan ford executive vice president chief creative officer for the lifestyle marketing firm casmir agency and

a former executive editor of the source jimmy lee solomon former executive vice president of operations and development for major league baseball they were now on the west coast rapper nipsey hussle and they were tired n.f.l. lineman chester fitz gentlemen thanks for being with us thank you have you know this is a topical it's difficult for a lot of people to talk about a recent m.t.v. poll of american millennial zz seventy nine percent said that we should talk more openly about race by as but only twenty percent were comfortable to talk about it why is it this good this is the one no pun intended black mark in american history and why do we have why we aren't comfortable talking about it i think it like you said it's a black mark in american history so much of our infrastructure as a country whether it's our society whether it's our economy has been built around this racial inequality from the days of slavery to the prison industrial system so when you talk about race in america when you use the n.

word those are very packed in conversations there's a lot to that and oftentimes we just gloss over it because it is so uncomfortable whether it's a magazine articles about it whether it's c.n.n. t.v. specials about it it's also oftentimes a very cursory overview of the depth of that problem when you look at it logically though jimmy prejudice is so stupid it means. needs to pre-judge why would you prejudge any idea it always boggles my mind how they confess it's amazing i think that a lot of people desire to feel better about themselves by looking down upon others and that's from the beginning of time and probably will go on for a long period of time probably forever therefore they find labels they find cliques they find all kinds of ways to make themselves feel better by stepping on someone else or they have going to denigrating someone else's aggravate you need to see well yeah most definitely prejudice you know i think you know you've got to be

involved in the modern net to judge anything before you have understand another so i think that's just a type of human you on thing as do it america not like i just think as a time when the law is so what do you think chester i think we've gotten to the point where it's the chicken or the egg you know do we have the conversation about how do we talk about it well if we continue to talk about it will it ever die and it's and that's kind of the perpetuating cycle that continues that happen continues to happen but i think you've got to get to a point where you let it all go and when i say let it all go i don't care whether you're tall short black white orange i don't know that it doesn't matter still do it all there go treat people the way you want to be treated treat people based on what they do not what they look like or where they are for listening to a subject give him the n. word no i won't say the word if the word is used tonight in your language hulu plus will bleat that the word is not used in the n.f.l. has included the use of the n word under the umbrella of unsportsmanlike conduct

rule twelve using abusive threatening or insulting language or gestures to opponents agree. i don't know man i don't really know if i agree or not i think it's an you know with the n.f.l. they can make the rules that they want to make right and recently the n word has become a flashpoint of controversy in the n.f.l. because of the richie incognito situation with the miami dolphins because of the cooper situation with the eagles so you know a lot of times you're going to hear that word on the field as a term of endearment or talking to one of the other do you know that you have other teammates right but then how do you legislate that and at the same time inforce rules about not saying it well if it comes from a white player then you have to find that differently or a panel penalize that differently or every judge was and there's a lot on the referee first of all why is it the n word is the only word that is

going to fall into this perhaps any racial slur at that wherever you want to the fancy word you want to use for that title relating to the word like to me which were if you're going to pick one they need to all be a part of it or you can't just have one of the and that's discriminatory in of itself something to say on a silly because richard sherman the seattle seahawks on but very outspoken guy says it's an atrocious idea he said it's racist to me it's weird that they're targeting one specific word why couldn't all curse words be banned because you have a point he does have a point but the n.f.l. i think i think you can't criticize him for taking the first step it is positive the start the some work it's got to be started somewhere i agree with chester it's going to be very hard to enforce a rule like that i agreed and ryan also said that would be hard to enforce they can't even get office of holding right or in the yard or passing a ferret right i mean i have a very you have got replays right. well that's not true and all kinds. of holding

they can get it haven't already the. last of the show i think when it's obvious i i mean. i know it when i hear it i know it when i hear it too but what about when the washington redskins are playing and all of a sudden of. the crystal flurry of that if that is what is the big the question why i will be playing is that the redskins who use it in your lyrics don't you absolutely why is it ok there. i think black people in america is a unique culture is not you know it's a unique situation that word is a part of the black culture in america that you got black people in africa my dad is from a country in africa called reacher and that word is not as prevalent in the culture of that country that's the word a kind exists in black culture in america especially like the hip hop culture especially the culture lottie's n.f.l. players identify with jews don't call each of its. them called each other but

actually don't call each other but they do don't they i say. oh they use it instead of your nasty what a difference in terms of me being offended you know i've never seen one of my homeboys a smile and call him that i was someone how do you react when you hear it in a rap song so that's the thing. growing up as a kid that was i was what i knew i was what i heard i when i was young well i want to see a little bit like people really kind of everybody more so my own but i kind of heard from everybody because we were all on in the hood and that's you know in the who it was it was cool and it was ok but no no different i'll give you a kind of a it's a it's an example but think about it like this we're on a football field we're playing again and something good happens all day long is cool to somebody on the bush because in that setting would beg group i'm in it's completely acceptable it's all the way cool well right now if we stood up and after

we read this amazing show and i smack somebody on the but it's not going to be cool side it's. going to get very uncool so i can't say i can never sit here and say that. that i that i love the word not i condone the word what do you make of the n.f.l. trying to ban the n word well i'm not abby and probably ban me five hundred yards look my father the professor of black history he was he passed away but if they haven't told him he couldn't use that were he to turn it over and said please. but how about when whites use it while i think if you don't have a slave directly in your background you probably shouldn't use it as a slave in your history that you could point to my great with my kids great great grandfather is frederick douglass frederick probably wouldn't like it but they you know they don't use it to the kids and mother was very strict but i'm just suggesting that when he held up. i don't care and the language is less important to

me than than intention ryan what do you make of women what do you think when you hear a white person use it though i think the referee is going to have to make a judgment here and that's where it gets tough is it a black ref is it a white ref is it a white ref that grew up in the hood as a white whether they grew up in the suburbs it's just such a nuanced word in the way that you can use it is so nuanced and that's what russell simmons in that clip is talking about the intention of the word see the word is appropriation in the black community we've appropriated that word in order to talk to our homeys talk to our friends oftentimes like russell said talk to our own family members right and if you look at other words and you mention a few other derogatory terms for jews and jews don't necessarily call each other that but there has been other times that have been appropriated redneck right jeff foxworthy's become a multimillionaire based off of you know your redneck when when i used to be a very derogatory term or even the term yankee if you go back in time enough that

was a derogatory term by you know british people talking about american people and then later southern americans talking about northern americans and now our best baseball team is the yankees or beverage baseball team right so that's it for yourself because i just it is a most profitable yeah i love this generational of a twenty five year old black person as opposed to a fifty year old black person hearing the word you know it's different experiences my mom was alive when segregation exists and it was like when i mean it that i mean it really wasn't that long ago so when you know you know it you know we really think about those terms you know would my mom saw in growing up and what she experienced what she heard versus would the twenty five year old experiences and here's the day it's it's so different that it's very difficult to explain it all is that we're going to see i was a jackie robinson's first game i interviewed him and that was all in my lifetime no question his lifetime i had a lady that took care of us when i was a kid who saw

a link and speak were very young country but let me just say this i didn't go to school with a white kid gloves in fifth grade. i saw colored water fountains white water phone color bathrooms white bathrooms i saw the school bus driver up pick up the kids drive away the raggedy school bus come up pick up the black kids so i do know that when i'm in my fifty's i have old man said no pay ok then i think i experience my own my fifteen year old playing high school no before that he played travel ball and i went to practice and just joined the team and they were all black so i said to my white sudden i use the only white kid on this team and he said. i guess so he didn't see it he don't see koa we've come a long way from it yeah i think we've come a long way but i would like for the police department to have the same perspective

. judge. it's not like the bank loan officer to have the same perspective i was signed right so we had almost we have come a long way and millenniums like you mentioned earlier they understand it still issues they deal with the issue differently based on their own life experiences and we hope that that evolution will continue to happen in a positive way we've seen leaps and bounds since jackie robinson but we have to make sure that if places like the n.f.l. are looking to enforce certain rulings around that issue that the depth of the issue is taken into consideration see a lot of you're either with the n.f.l. oh absolutely you know i would say it's use the most prevalent in the locker room and then you know it's there's a friendly manner or absolute from them and you have been criticized for using the word nipsey. not and i am not at all i think it goes what you said about you know

the generation we grew up in it was it wasn't as offensive we want i wasn't privy to you know segregation other than in documentaries and you know talking my grandparents i think more than anything i would know the guys are saying this is institutional now it's not really overt you feel learn about it when you go to jail only going to court room or when you make it to the county jail and you see you know the amount of blacks and amount of hispanics as opposing lot of whites you see racism they are. change the way we think about the n. word we talk about that after the break stay with us i'm. i think. trying to. i'm right. and i think that's it for politics right. right. but. i.

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word we use it in your lips yes i do what do you think of the n.f.l. zz proposal to ban it i think it definitely should be banned so explain the dichotomy you use it but you don't want them to use it on the football field for sure because i feel like i feel like i use it in anyone who gets my music you know it's a conscious decision to pick up my music by someone so for i feel like you know the n word i don't necessarily want to hear the in word on the instant replay can well i think. when you give words power it becomes like it's power it becomes in a basic normal conversation so what isn't black black on black you know again disadvantage might well get this bad it's also news and i got a couple for life friends of also use it coming up in jersey the even a town is used that we never looked at it as a word of insult unfortunately we just never did it i think was when you give it

power that's what it holds i was push it t n a c j z said on oprah in two thousand and nine for our generation what we did is we took the word and took the power of the word we turned a word that was very ugly and hurtful and turned it into a term of endearment so you think that you think that we're changing now oh improving i do think we are improving again i think there's a big difference between that word. which the intention is to be a racial slur when you say you or get out of here that's very offensive and nobody on his panel is going to take the stance of send us ok but when we grew up in an area where this might get a small boy and it was it was before us not you parson i'm just saying it was before. it was before you know we we were cup walking outside i was

a language and we came outside and experience our area just like you know you learn words from here and you learn what they mean we were offended by because the intention i rather say was not offensive was more i would use quoted j. santo's a term of endearment you know but in terms of my music i feel like. as you know again i'm twenty seven twenty eight and my spans in this country is different than your smears in this country but if you feel rejected or you feel not welcome as as most black people experience in this country they were rejected they want welcome they warrant you know they receive open arms and so like mainstream america that we created a culture and we created our own. experience in our own language in our own you know take on these things and it was like you know i'm not going to be offended by it i'm imo what jay said i'd take the word and you know spend in all directions run your journalists what about how the mainstream media handles this whole issue i

don't think it may seem media really delves into it they get into it when it's a. situation like with the eagles or they talk about it when it's cognito situation like with the dolphins we in mainstream media you rarely see panels like this dealing with it right from different perspective and i think all perspectives are interesting it's not just the african-american perspective but your perspective spandex perspective i mean if you're in new york the minigames puerto rican as they call each other all the time right yeah i was deaf of course in the rappers they're rappers from those communities do as well yeah we work closely with the artist that cashmere agency why g.e. has a hit record called my right and you go to listen to perform smash it and it's the next you just before i do with the met into remission anaheim two nights ago and you see the entire crowd a multicultural millennial crowd all singing along and celebrate when you hear that are you offended when you hear that or not i'm offended when i hear it in mixed company yes you do is it in mixed company your sign. so the you

think that when we concentrate on the word the overall issue of racism we don't concentrate on it enough well you can be distracted by many shiny objects of course but i just know him personally i'm older than the rest of the gentlemen on the panel therefore i have a different viewpoint of the word and on the care he put a on it or are at the end of it i don't really care for i can hear one thing ok. what offends me if i'm mixed company which is which is the hypocrisy of me ok i will i have i used it yes well i continue to use it was unlikely but i won't use it in mixed company and i wish i didn't use it at all and i feel disappointed in myself when i do even when i'm talking to a group of african-americans i would rather not use it i wish i was there i'm not i've been conditioned and it comes out many times when i don't want it to but i

would like to think that my heart's in the right place most likely my fellow cause can happen when the first player in the n.f.l. o.c. first game of the year kansas city's a million and one you know flag just thrown and it's on a white player and i use the word what will happen to that player problem how will he play it's going to be rough but i will say this. i do believe that if it becomes a rule it's if it's final it's done it's in the books if they throw that when i say there will be no shadow of a doubt they're going to make sure there's audio they're going to ensure that there is proof there's got to make sure that there was ten guys i want to go out to him to beat him up because it was used as a negative tone negative like just every everything rather loudly or throw it if a black person says it to a black person well i don't i don't know because i've actually heard you know say it about you know in anger they're even negative light or very negative so we're taught a bloody or entry having to throw that is

a black on right i think it comes unintentionally that only done it but that's where it gets interesting right that may i really would like to i would roll it out of state to rule out as a pillar and show what is it is it racist if a black says it to a black guy in anger. with the art of good i mean i don't know at all what i said is that i think is saying. you know couth but is it racist i don't think so if you say it racist you know the racist in your own it's not black does it to a black in anger but even if it's in anger but can you say i mean if it's the qualities that sort of get to be a racist to your own absolutely i would argue then. because we have a problem of the light skinned dark skinned you know the whole thing needed gradations of race i mean it's all kinds of the you know we as a black people have always had color color issues you know that a light skinned the daughter just like if i could leave movies would really tell you all that right and it's not always light skinned dark skinned i've had run ins with police that were african-american that i knew for

a fact they would be racist towards me because i was african-american is that only n. word suppose and now we have an openly gay player in the n.f.l. which will probably have machines there were in my house and we have a gay slur but that's what that's that's right really throw the flags on the gay slurs that only the n word yes the judge depends on the rule and that was my point that right there are limited to only the anywhere in the little is in effect now that is the n word c n word doesn't it i think the world is changing right and it's changing quickly and we have to make sure that big organizations like the n.f.l. but also us as individuals work that we're on the right side of history right so things that weren't cool ten years ago are now call right things that weren't cool sixty years ago are now cool right so that we work continues to evolve but i think at the end of those idea to ban the use of the n. word i mean i think it's you know it kind of worked. i mean it probably could work on the field you know if these guys know they're going to get fine and you know the

rest can hear him but you know it's an interesting thing you know it kind of makes you look at will who specifically are you talking about using that word you know and so it's so interesting that i get what they're trying to go. do but i don't have a use it in friendship a lot of people use it in friendship and a lot of people use a lot of other words you know there are a lot of other it's i think if you if you ban all quote unquote curse words or derogatory words that's one thing and change the redskin right you know you have to look deeper so you know you know i get what they're trying to do in but in the heat of competition you got to let these guys go and do what they do you know that's the one thing how the n.f.l. is change like you can't celebrate the end zone anymore together you can't do is like let these guys explode and let their passion i mean it's so you know bundled up into finally you know get something you know do a kick return or throw out a touchdown it's like everything is so poison it's like i like the passion you know that i knew you know i was omar absolutely the guy that jester i get where his

cameraman had this is second to go was ok so is the n word now or we're going to if we're going to say it's ok or is not ok we're going to group with what curse words are at the end of the day my judgment my barometer to make sure i never say anything i shouldn't say is if i'm in mixed company of i'm somewhere where it's not a private situation when mom was standing right next to me what language it would words would i use it in the they will of the dup the similar thing i think baseball's a little bit from that i think that it will be turned on the court of public opinion baseball but respond the same way to the n.f.l. response what about the n.b.a. right well i think that you see a situation blackly absolutely you see it pop up in the n.f.l. and n.b.a. because there's the same kind of culture that the majority of the players that play in both those leagues come from it's a hip hop influence culture that you can use the word very loosely on the field in the locker room but the word is not the prime donald sterling this whole situation was not about the n word it's about racism and how that was

a part of the infrastructure of the n.b.a. right so if we can if we get rid of the n. word if we did that a year ago in basketball you still had donald sterling sterling as an owner so racism is not a right and worry. i don't race you shocked at best the sterling thing i was pretty surprised. this is the thing there are thoughts that a lot of people have i think that he is thought the way he's taught for very very long time but i think he just got to a point were in his age of the diminished capacity and he no longer can control what he says as well as use what he thought he was taught have a private conversation wait a minute that's a little different we all if you go back to every comes out in the lead on the telephone and i whip out a transcript a bunch of them right about now and start reading they're going to be nervous you could be there be some things i would not be happy that my mother were here the game or to my mom and have you go. but i don't think i haven't private conversations that are not exactly exactly i'm smart cursed absolutely but those

kind of words i mean i don't feel that way about any group of people under the sun to all of you do you think we're getting better i think we're getting better i think that you continue to see the world evil evolve and the point i was making earlier about the arena show that nipsy and this other artist wedgie performed is everybody in the crowd is using the word that's the nose there's white people it is blacks that is the rainbow other than the older me yeah metaphysical you know it's a new era but he's i mean the director i i understand i'm on the dinosaur in this group i realize that everything has to evolve and i have to accept the fact that it's going to evolve and i'm uncomfortable about something i've got to accept that because the world is moving on and i've got to understand that if i can't get my my sensibilities inch into line with that then i'm going to be uncomfortable and that we could be my plight but it has to move on and i'm happy to see that we can get together and all that but i wish that word was not part of it and if she were

getting better i think we or i think you know two thousand and four tank privacy is a thing to pass off feel like you have to represent who we really are all the times because if not you get your true opinions end up on your mistress's vallone which ends up on c.n.n. and now the world is to see how you really think so i think that based on everything me and so transparent people had to you know take a stance that they are proud of. and be around and around a war would you can't be a closet racist you can't be a closet anything because you don't end up out and you will have to come to grips with them and on that you think we'll see a day just to where it's just using every day time as they should it don't mean anything i don't think so i think it's going to go the other direction i think that it will fall into the category of would curse words are in there are certain words that are ok because they are part of the king's english and they are words that are absolutely not ok and were tongue whatever a curse word or every race or bad think is going to be a point where we take all those words we find

a way to just remove them because there are so many other words that are available it's not necessary to use them things they want to guess ryan ford jimmy lee solomon and see how still untested and it's and we want to continue this conversation in lots of other areas and we will do more shows on it and you can find me on twitter at kings things and we'll see you next time. on. technology innovation all the developments from around russia. this huge area covered. well you like me to want your comedy news with some t.v. once a comedy news to be a bare fisted no holds barred fight to the dad. but the truth vampire fighting into

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