imagine. the national. system. did not exist well the politics going on larry king new york times best selling author denise d'souza joins me here in studio his latest book is entitled america imagine a world without her he is co-writer and director of a documentary by the same name which will be out july's second and we'll see some clips from that during the program was why this title because i am an immigrant to america and from india i grew up in bombay i came at this country at the age of seventeen i've written twelve books this is my thirteenth book and as i look back

on them i've written books in education civil rights capitalism they're all in some ways about america because as an immigrant i think i i have a dual perspective i see america from the inside a grown up here i went to college here but i also retain a little bit of that outsider feeling of america in which i'm always comparing america to other cultures to the rest of the world and i think that dual perspective informs all my writing and the idea of a world without her would would leave the world well we have a tremendous space between the oceans well you're right let me go pacific would be a giant the indian ocean there are different ways for america not to exist so if a meteorite hit the continent and vaporized into ours and years ago there would be no america but here is another way if a british neighbor had shot george washington and the american revolution had gone down there would be america the land mass there be people here but we wouldn't have an american revolution in. constitution this america would not exist began it would

be canada or if hitler got the atomic bomb remember hitler had the most sophisticated bomb project under vernon isenberg he would have dropped it and america would not be the way it is now so the reason i'm asking these questions is i'm thinking forward what would the future look like if america begins to recede in importance to me as an immigrant it's a terrifying idea why because america has meant so much in the world america is something very special in history a new sort of form of government a new lifestyle a new american dream nobody else has a dream the way we do in america and as an immigrant that's what i came here for and it's sad for me to see that this america this dream i think is shrinking a little bit today haven't we overcome some of our faults we've overcome hopefully racial bias we've overcome inequality for women we've created that we're a pretty great place and where do you see the diminishing where were we not great

first of all it's important to remember the things we overcame weren't our things so for example slavery was going. slavery in china and american indians had slaves long before columbus so what is the uniquely lavery was . to fight a big war in which six hundred thousand people died there is slavery nope. so even . that slaves went to their deaths to. shoes i mentioned. imagines more books. slowed down the book is america imagine a world with. a major motion picture that my job is now this is a new i did the film twenty sixteen which is about obama. what is america july fourth independence day what your thoughts are you have the taliban and their gloom and that. the wall and usually

well. this. seems to be. looks like a very questionable i think part of the picture here you've seen a man in iran for thirty years i mean iran is not using going to destruction in any . obama. is a bad war of ghana stand for troops you have to go to war but look the taliban those are not good guys they're not good guys not only in their foreign policy but they put they are the most radical muslims in the world and radical islam is probably the most illiberal force in the world today so i don't understand why we don't recognise that with that in afghanistan we are dealing with a serious problem and we need to deal with it to obama's statement that america is a hammer all problems aren't ants well i agree with that i don't think we're the

world's policeman i am a young reaganite i came of age in the reagan years and if you remember reagan had something called the reagan doctrine now the reagan doctrine is this we do not fight for other people if i help when i had enough and we're fighting the. hundreds of thousands of troops we just and some advisors we can give them some stinger rockets to shoot down soviet up opera's so i think america should be republican party reagan be i think reagan would would be a tea party he would be he would be baffled because i think you'd agree the republicans today are really out of it in fact they're in a little bit of a huddle here how do we take back the senate you know the left is the recognizes that this is a much broader are hollywood influencing young people and so shifting the. i want to get out the ordinary people and so films are a way to reach millions of the opposite paths. because of his dad and his.

multiple trips can you. believe i. believe. obama says twenty five percent of the world's wealth why should we have so much energy. greece or uganda. maybe sitting there to make sure that. it is and you need you know you need that you couldn't i couldn't agree more but i think that we need we need to make friends wherever we can china is building up its nuclear arsenal if i was i would say all right let me and and korea to believe the rising you don't want to be friends it's another thing to say there are powerful forces in the world coming up and america. will resume on monday that a version of d.-day member variable over the years will. you call the one of the triumphs of america's so-called greatest generation to write the produce another

great generation will i was it supposed to do that well it was in response a buddha produce another general will then though i wouldn't say it was its responsibility to me what i what i love about the greatest generation wasn't just a one world war two it's because lots of people would have fought world war two the japanese attacked us it's not surprising we got it and germany after the war that is unprecedented the romans would never have done that and i was truman it was true in the us through making it out of them which conservatives opposed to if they imposed at the time they would be wrong to do that they did yes allies all right well i think that was a mistake it was because this rep you know we've seen american planes are bombing these taliban targets but drop what other empire does.

this book film is dinesh d'souza. but i didn't expect you would think about calling it pronounced that you. and i'm like you who was the producer for instance in which i have control of the government you shouldn't be using it against your critics but you did wrong but you might go to jail i think i might i hope i don't and the case for why shouldn't i haven't done this for twenty thousand it seems mind they didn't do you complete bill that can't you well the other thing about it is the laws are there for corruption and usually when people do the stuff they're bundling they're trying to get something out of it there's some quid pro quo none of that in this case with. i've already met with them they're they're sort of out to get me i would have to say my my confidence is really more in the judicial system and in the same sex

marriages don't work as men the women do. but now you see the tide going the other way the tide is definitely go in the next room with the marriages of many different in many known called incest you know the ancient egyptians and so on and its impact here the point i was making in that quip and it's only a quip was to say listen that the reason that men behave and i was saying it so we'll have to see you open to the idea of what happened. because what the gay movement has done very effectively is piggyback on the civil rights movement so in the civil rights movement essentially the argument was that race is the painted face right that race is not something that tells you anything about the inside of somebody and so race established a nondiscrimination principle allowing other groups to piggyback on it and say well yeah well many blacks resented well blacks are very comfortable about this because they is not the new black for the way they see it all right let's get to some political things do you have

a favorite republican in the mix i don't in fact i've been a little bit alarmed at the quality of the republican candidates over the past twenty years it seems to me the party has been in that in picking strong candidates to run against the democrats it's a big country they exist but some other not being fielded it must be something about the process that's not quite another they're like you guys if the tea party has. so a candidate who might be able it's a good jeb bush he might not be able to win the primaries and i do think that in this year i was at the republican leadership conference of speak in a couple of months ago and i noticed a new awareness pick if you will the most conservative candidate who can win so not pick the most conservative candidate period where pick the most conservative candidate when you implies that those electable i don't know because i think hillary would be a very formidable candidate she's the historic first woman running bomb and the democrats in my book and film the conservative side of the issues.

barack so i think a lot of america as a whole she's more like bill so they're going to get bill or e but if you from agree build an america did very well in the ninety's i think that being said hillary ideologically is probably closer to obama than she is to the bill you think she was an effect of secretary of state i think that she was an effective secretary of state but she was an effective sekret of state under a bad leader so in other words other words as an effective secretary of state would carry out the mission that is just like an effective commander in the military will carry out a mission but it needs to be. for it to leave us better off so you are he she. she didn't get it right she succeeded operationally so little bit look if i were to say reagan succeeded you know in arming the contras right but if you think arming the contras was a bad idea his success added to you in fact you'll count it as a failure in the big picture that's kind of my point i think obama's foreign policy

has been very bad for america america is weaker today than it was when he took office but hillary has i think been effective in carrying out his wishes one of the areas the republicans appear weak is in immigration and some progressive george bush's drug binge immigration who are never going to yes your party behind the times you know i think the party is undiscriminating and it's idea of let everybody and in fact there's even a scandal now about the idea of going to other countries and telling people listen if you show up with your kid they have to let you in you know you're helpless case and so on so that and the lawlessness on our border i was down of the border larry just about two months ago and talking to a border guy he was saying look with today's technology look at the n.s.a. surveillance we have great surveillance we can see people coming off them over the border and he said i went to my supervisor and i told him our cameras are recording all these guys coming up the border and the supervisor goes move the camera meaning we don't want to show the american people what we're allowing the happen so this is

bad stuff now they're. publicans i think where they're mistaken is this is a country built by immigrants immigrant spirit is totally american so i what i do is i would be very pro immigrant but i would want entrepreneurial immigrants who love america who want to be part of the israelis people coming in want to come in they want to succeed no no no no they're coming in for stuff but there are two ways to get stuff one way to get stuff is to work for it and earn it on the other way is simply to become eligible for it so we have become we're now a strange society we're a welfare magnet but we're also an entrepreneurial magnet or. do it like every other country in canada sits around and says you know what we have too few doctors let's take more doctors we need more nurses we need more people to invest money and start new businesses so you you're right the immigration laws say you're taken in a million immigrants a year but you're choosing the immigrants you want but image was the republicans look bad on the issue they look very bad on the issue and part of you'll notice in the book and in the film it's a film told by an immigrant to champions immigrant virtues and by the way the

left's attack on america i see as an attack on immigrants because when the left says you know you took the country from the country they fought the indians they took their land who took half of mexico from the neck it's a journey with we're attacking the one. with honey and feel about. it was inconceivable to him. wouldn't we be better off. if. we gave them you there are no hands on that would be a wonderful idea but that would be like saying wouldn't the world be better off if nobody had a nuclear bomb yes yes yes but that's a fantasy because even if we were could do that the knowledge of how to make a bomb because then those guys have power over everybody else so dangerous for america to go down to three hundred because in a for a strike they could wipe out most of all i just start thinking like that well then

iran's as wait a minute israel's got nuclear bombs we've got to have nuclear bombs correct so then you say iran is nuclear bombs we better have no real laws so everybody has to say we would have move your arms and soon you have a war with nuclear bombs and when you have that someone's going to shoot it off be a good guy to correct and so and no that's absolutely right you know that since the cold war that the american military plays war games every day every day to think about what those contingencies look i'm terrified by the power that science has given us to obliterate the plan by the way not just nuclear bomb chemical weapons there are so many technologies today turn away human nature not enough do that but somebody will do something somewhere yeah are you. pessimistic i'm congenitally an optimist but i'm also a realist and there's a storm that's kind of pulling it apart is held up high so there's a foreboding element to it but hey i'm not giving up on america the gridlock would been a williams i asked him once if he was not doing that it's my pleasure great having

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