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will welcome to. the shevardnadze as a government forces in ukraine step out there are salt in the east of the country russia and nato forces are conducting war games a bit at each other in the baltics was tension rising in the conflict in ukraine spillover war correspondent and author john pilger is my guest today. is robert ukraine. citizens fleet as more u.s. weapons is the way. of conflict. the slow dragon. who has the power to do it. john pilger veteran journalist war correspondent author direct him well dr akhter welcome it's really great to have you on our show today

now we're just going to go ahead and start with ukraine not a week goes by without journalists detained and assaulted in ukraine so why aren't we hearing any condemnation of this incident from the west. i think in your part of the world you must be used to a pretty one sided view coming from here over here in the west we don't believe where biased at all in fact we believe the essence of objectivity and impartiality but of course when it comes to politics that simply is not true. ukraine has been presented here generally as an act of russian manipulation and aggression. that has been some some better reporting than that but that generally is the view do you think we're getting reliable information from the conflict zone in ukraine i mean apart from the

western media the world media is involved in covering this conflict you worked as a war reporter in africa is there such thing as one truth. no it's impossible to get an informed. coverage of pretty well anywhere in the world unless you navigate your way through these days through the internet. if you don't navigate and you sit in front of your television set then you're likely to be given propaganda. it's always been that way it's probably now more intense but we do have alternatives now we do have the internet because i say it requires that that research otherwise we sit in front of the t.v. or we pick up a newspaper and we don't so much we're not so much informed as where monitoring it

or deconstructing of that's what i do as a journalist we live in the age of intense propaganda you have also said that he doubted states is threatening to take the world to war over ukraine but there is already a civil war going on in ukraine do you think it could get any more serious you know . yeah well we've seen we've just seen recently these. strategic nuclear strategic bombers arriving here at an air force base from the united states i mean that's clearly there was a lot of news about that and that's clearly a statement but you know it's used to be called saber rattling we used to have a year off the year during the cold war and yes a civil war has been triggered in ukraine and that civil war could spill over into russia those are the those are the real problems but behind this is an

old american design. and that is the control of resources and trade and strategic areas right across the european and asian landmass. that's no secret that has been going on pretty well since the united states discovered itself as a great world power around about the time of the korean war now president obama has approved twenty three million dollars worth of military aid to ukraine sense march has recently announced u.s. is sending advisors and gear to the country while the newly elected president so ukrainian president wants more military aid from the united states what more can he expect well you can well what you can i mean it's all aggressive provocation. it seems almost incredulous that they should be doing this

to be only russia's border. and provoking in the way they are doing. it's almost as if. nato a bomber and the rest are trying to set a trap. for a lot of the approach and. it's an incredibly difficult time for russia. these as we all know where about to celebrate celebrate we're about to commemorate the seventeen rate of the first world war that began yes partly by design but it also was triggered by a number of incidents and any war can happen that way that's my experience as a war correspondent although. there may be a policy

a design and maybe a strategy but they can be incidents and can stop the war without people wanting it to stop you know since march there's always else i have been reports them the u.s. mercenaries are involved in operations in a stern ukraine are you inclined to think that's true well i have no evidence of that but i would think it's it's almost certainly true. ukraine has become a kind of awful thing for. those agencies whose. we know so well see f.b.i. the head of the director of the cia is dropped in. along with vice president biden . and the most.

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around three o five pm quakertown in perkasie around three ten pm this is a dangerous storm if you are in its path moving towards to a sturdy building and stay away from windows when it is safe to do self report severe weather to local law enforcement or to the national weather service very heavy rain also occur with the severe thunderstorm which could flood low lying areas quickly and covered with water do not drive into areas where water covers the road repeating a severe thunderstorm warning has been issued until three thirty pm for the following counties in pennsylvania x. box lehigh and montgomery. for the u.s. well there is a bubble there is a strategic position there is a toehold moment. in the in the part of the world where it's only recently relatively recently been able to gain access to the most important prize in that was undoubtedly crimea.

this was the home of. the russian fleet this was russian. russia's access this is where we now see u.s. troops u.s. ships exercising within sight of the russian by us i think it was at that i think. certainly getting hold of that would have been if if the kiev regime had got hold of it that would have meant the united states would have got hold of it there's any question about that it was all part of as i've said a provocation. that that it's a very intriguing mix all the reasons why the united states has behaved the way it has in ukraine partly it is about strategic influence

partly it is about business partly it is about. provocation there are all different degree difference. this of ministration in washington has been doing some very strange things always also most. and i'm going to guess. and attempt to be a bomber administration to reassert its. having really been trumped by russia over syria we're going to get to that in our second part of the show well first we're going to take a short break when we're back we're going to continue talking to john pilger a veteran journalist and author we'll talk more about the impact and the extent of american global ambitions to stay with us.

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street. and we're back with john pilger war correspondent and author so you also said that obama is currently seeking a budget for nuclear weapons grade earth and sharing in the cold war what were you getting this information for and also what would he need it for. you just look at up it's all way or there's no secret the the the the rise in the manufacture of of warheads and of nuclear strategic materials has been steadily increasing over recent years. but

in many ways that's whether or not it is a psychedelic because the united states has many many nuclear warheads just as russia still has nuclear warheads that me. when the so-called superpower and a regional power like russia find them souls looking each other's gun barrels and that's the situation that we've got at the moment so yes saying there is so you're saying obama is ready for saying its nuclear budget to confront russia is that it do you think there is a chance i've been ripping their contents so you're saying a bomber is reinforced the never i know that there's always a chance you're know the nuclear clock has been at five minutes to midnight for many years now. there is always

been a chance of nuclear war there always will be while there is this kind of dangerous situation i'm of course not going to predict they will or won't be one but the dangers are obvious. you only have to look or read what general butler the former head of the u.s. strategic air command he said and i paraphrase him he said the dangers are there every day but when you have a flashpoint with two nuclear powers. engaged even indirectly and they're not directly engaged at the moment but they're indirectly engage letts extremely dangerous but remember when when there was a lot of talk whether america shoot strike locally syria with local strikes there but the prospect of action in syria got a very cold response from both the congress and the public so what makes you think

that you know americans are as gung ho over ukraine as the military press well i didn't quite hear the beginning of the question but i heard the last bit it's very simple american foreign policy is run pretty well in a straight line since about nineteen fifty. and you only have to consult the documentary record to see to answer the question there was always a danger but something else has happened recently certainly since the certainly during the bush years the military the pentagon and the united states now is in the ascendancy it has much greater power than it used to have. it has influence in the state department it has influence right throughout the the all the institutions of government in washington there is a military sense all the time about american foreign policy at

a higher level than they used to be right but the idea of diversity part of my question which you didn't hear was precisely about the american foreign policy that failed in terms of striking syria because remember when there was talk about whether america would bomb syria are not it didn't get any support from congress or the general public. you know well you know this is in many ways this is new administration that contradicts itself which makes it even more dangerous. the. syria was it seemed to be. almost the the design of the the intelligence agencies in the united states the support for a lot of the radical groups came from the intelligence and and

and if what was called the deep state in the united states whether or not the white house agreed with that i have no idea i mean that is one of the great contradictions in washington there's always a great deal of competition and there's a result the white house was made to look rather foolish over syria. it's take the law. the allegation that the assad regime have used chemical weapons well according to seymour hersh they didn't use chemical weapons and they don't a great deal of evidence to suggest they did use chemical weapons there is evidence to suggest that those whom the americans were supporting used chemical weapons so you know into this contradictory and confusing and rather tumultuous situation. the almost the black and white of u.s. foreign policy doesn't work doesn't work in their own terms since most are talking

about syria the issue of syria has been completely eclipsed by ukraine lately no one since to mention it anymore meanwhile the american administration is still providing arms to the opposition so could only syria yeah but could it be that could it be that united states is getting a free rein there wild russia is busy. possibly possibly way i read the other day but that there was there is going to be non-lethal langley to late to some of the the opponents. of the joe hottest opposing the assad regime yes. the world looks the other way and things happen i i think that's i think that's very possible where that is heading it is almost impossible to know.

because my understanding is that the united states actually would like to have a settlement with iran that seemed to be the way it was heading and that would mean a kind of settlement with syria and then it could concentrate on what is really close to this administration's hot and that is confronting china and perhaps also confronting russia certainly dealing with its grand design on the. the. on the euro asian continent. now if for example as i understand it two thirds of u.s. naval forces are going to be transferred to the asia pacific region by the year two twenty and that will mean the u.s.

will have to tidy up. all these unfortunate problems that it has syria iran. and so on. you know that all i'm saying is u.s. policy as it's acted out in syria is very very confusing because that doesn't they don't seem to be wanting to resolve matters there they seem to want to stoke it instead of play some kind of brokerage role come out and deal with it want to get back a little bit to nato and the war games stat where that just took place in history in europe like the most recent ones in latvia so do you think those are aiming at intimidating russia it's out there so goal. you know. i've thought about why this intimidation of russia is going on

and i think it is it is partly historical. the soviet union was deeply resented just for existing because it was getting in the way of an enormous part of the world that the united states and its western allies had previously had a great deal to do with and he spoilt it and wanted to do that again. and i think there is a will most in a story call unfinished sense of unfinished business. there is no question that. u.s. foreign policy finds its opponents already them is in those governments that effect any form of independence. that is that is a rule look runs right through it now the russian government is independent.

it's a it's a very powerful and very important independent government and there's a history between russia and the united states you can never underestimate this history where do you saying the united states european allies interests are in all of those and the whole he was versus china us versus russia can gear up act independently or are they completely under u.s. influence well that's a very good question what are their interests. i don't know i mean you know the interests of of trading peacefully with russia and with china are demonstrably . gas from russia and everything. every manufactured good we can think of from china what is the problem you might ask and for

europeans to go along with this this this this kind of. wild west kind of foreign policy is absurd but europe is divided europe in terms of foreign policy. often reluctantly but it does have its folds in with the united states you're going to have to read the german press to see this there's a a kind of ambivalence old mother spoke to we do oh well we better go with the us europe has never spoken never spoken with one voice the beat entirely representative of all reflecting its own interests. all right mr pilcher thank you so much for this interesting interview we're talking to john pilger off third journalists war correspondent we're talking about america's

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