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it's a. pleasure to have you with us here on t.v. today i'm wrong researcher. welcome to. the show but not say the united kingdom independence party has shocked the british establishment coming first in the here of parliament elections good

news for those who want to see the u.k. live the new well the men who founded the party isn't thrilled and is launching a new turn a day of dr allen's get their original hero skeptic a historian turned politician and he is my guest today. european swing to the right is troubling brussels regions of every q. keep is gaining points of total all as another euro skeptic blog is propping up on the horizon this time on the left side of the political mainstream. do they have better answers when will the u.k. see the us territory is a british exit from the e.u. a real possibility. dr alan skat founder of the new daily party here a skeptic politicians scholar it's great to have you on our show today welcome now i'm just go going to go ahead and start here the one who found it you kazan to benton's part. you're also its biggest critic nowadays because you left it but they

say are at their rates their highest success yet twenty four members say it's in the e.u. parliament that people have voted for it are less people to be criticized as well no i think the people vote for me it is approach has to be addressed in the european parliament. been dozens of you keep m.e.p. since going back to nine hundred ninety nine they didn't do anything constructive the just go to take the money the expenses pensions. the. claim that he's taking over two million pounds in expenses although he highly of it doesn't go to key meetings he avoids key debates as did most of the others to piece have been put in jail for fraud. really a very sad reflection of protest politics the the not very bright people vote them

in breach of. the european union and its institutions are so you're saying it's a purchase vote but what about about that i mean all it comes down to is that people want some change now. but the to kill it and you politics and your policies . behave in the hollywood i mean they don't make a case for british. exit you would really just a bunch of not very bright people getting as much money and expenses that as they could possibly get. the represent of. the son of the electorate five percent so that's about one percent of the electorate as a whole makes no difference to what happens in the you were there is an overwhelming. majority or federal suit treat them with contempt which they deserve

and if they say they don't believe in the european politics or european institutions that we shouldn't be there but yet. because they want to make money over the will my view now i see you're still. kind of against a or a pair problem and but and back when you were founding the u.k.p. also refused to send members to the european parliament because he didn't want to legitimize but now the euro skeptics from all over the continent are there so has your opinion changed. make no difference because in a small minority the the socialists the liberals the christian democrats have an overwhelming federalist majority inside the paul that would a lot of your skeptic group that was voted in this. is right wing people who is islamophobia homophobic. who don't really

attract intelligent discussion or not really the kind of people that you want to be associated with you wouldn't want joe big from hungary or new dawn from greece even from the us and france to be represented to cause any sort of decent rational person was associated with my great fear is the ukip associated with all sorts of weird people and by their own contemptible behavior merely bringing the euro skeptic pools in britain and europe into disrepute and that's important because we may have a referendum here in a couple of years or britain remaining in the coming out of the european union and the danger is the extreme views and ukip and its allies will undermine. the cause of britain coming up and i'm worried about now your current new deal party aims to pressure the left into your skepticism while you keep does

the same thing from the right so it seems like you do need them despite loading them. oh i mean i understand i thought i mean i set up the party originally to put pressure on the conservatives who than pot in order to move in the euro skeptic direction and indeed the conservatives have done that and they still will probably split over the question of. david cameron may lose the election lucy's prime ministership of europe the party i saw was supposed to be a mainstream rational decent democratic party appealing to the whole breadth of the british electorate all classes all races all religions and one looks an opinion polls of british people and their views of coming out of the e.u. up until about four years ago there was

a majority about fifty five percent who said they were in favor of coming. through all the bad publicity the new kids have attracted to the races and to stream its views that majority is. minority of about forty foot seven forty eight percent. my fear is that instead of the still putting pressure on the tories by. creating such a still it might be that in a very narrow for referendum they'll be so toxic the. section of the population will vote to stay in rather than support you can hear about that's why duty it is necessary i know but whatever the reason if they would cameron has promised a referendum on british accent what do you expect from that can't get there happening do you think it will ever take place. i think there will be a referendum in the next two three years for one thing it's quite possible that the

federalists inside the european commission and the federalists inside the pollard would. want to push further towards the goal of ever closer union in which case a new treaty would be required and of a new treaty is required there to have to be a referendum and to be very difficult. to meet that and in a referendum given political conditions in britain as cameron's own pledge of a referendum will that's entirely dependent on david cameron winning the next general election that doesn't look too like the present i'd put my money on labor just. but he might win if he wins and doesn't have a majority it's not clear he could friend a bill through. but what are your thoughts why would he make this promise in a first place i mean did he always at him become a genuine euro skeptic or is it really all for the votes. oh no no no

david cameron has no principles. if you examine these record speeches and what he's written over the course of his political career opportunistic and contradictory. he just exudes should be to be decisive no he just likes it he's not there because he has an ideology because he is a put a set of principles he's there because he wants business. so he's opportunistic and because the fish is inside the conservative party largely in the do calls well i will do the rise of ukip that he made promises which he thought would start a full debate inside the tory party. and remember you keep on you've got to that puts a bit of it you're pretty good up to that situation because the lib dems were into a coalition and then though you could put new policies as the became the default

party of protests which the lib dems used to be. about that referendum just a little bit more apathetic was speaking how big of a blow what a british accent be for i think your opinion was it would be a huge blow. it would be revolutionary and i don't think britain would be the only country to come i think would be followed by others this sumption sometimes made that if britain were to come it would be britain against the rest of the european union but the no way of knowing how much of the european union would remain i mean i think it would fall as soon afterwards would that be an unraveling and you know you would you would to melt but it could be fluid all sorts of possible alternative you could arise but are you sure that if britain length of stay. you nobody will fill the consequences in their wallets i mean are you not fazed by the

warnings of economic turmoil i'm talking inside britain of course no i do think it made much difference we just truly did you. wouldn't want to stop selling those calls and washing machines the french would still want to sell those well i need cheese and whatever else this will they still twice as much joes as we still today . if they wanted to trade will already see which wouldn't be in their interests they would suffer twice as much but quite frankly i mean i think the whole thing could be sorted smoothly and we could have and then we could do fools. would make much difference you make it sound so easy well i'll just out there we're going to take a break now well we're back with dr alan scout scholar here a skeptic politician a founder and now with a new deal party after a short break stay tuned with us.

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during johnson's term optimists now like and. don't want but if the republican plan of the night. were. to scramble to save iraq as the baghdad government loses control over much of the country washington is calling for changes in the regime all while the region's borders are set to be redrawn. and we're back with dr alan scott here a skeptic politician historian good to have you back now heard you criticize a you write so if the you are so on democratic bureaucratic and corrupt as you say

this why do you think most europeans will still have a favorable view of it and they don't really want you to go anywhere but the fact is that most europeans don't understand how the european union works the like the idea of being pm in some sense that means that the civil law is westernized put have enlightened values. but. you know if you said is there any great need for the how can you justify. this kind of vague things but isn't that let's be friends with. in doesn't have any diplomatic influence of the will doesn't have a democracy in it it's the democratic. very clear you know will to does a voice should be there why we need to do your own thing it hasn't any particular magic power in the world for example cameron says that if the u.k. we leave it will lose political clout on the continent are you all right with that

you certainly wouldn't be making. the decision making. i mean you don't need engaged in political decision making in the e.u. if you do want to be in the e.u. should you worry about being engaged in its political decision making i'm not talking i. am not talking about decision making i mean i'm talking about european diplomacy as a whole that makes difference on a global scale but there isn't but there isn't any european diplomacy as a whole i mean it's all supposed to be concentrated in the under the strange figure of badness ashton who's never been elected to anything in a life come speak french and you know it was a kind of joke when she first got the job as a kind of compensation to britain because they wouldn't give it to tony blair. i mean i did say well i mean europe doesn't really have much influence in the world we have no defense budgets we have no the british army and forces have been cut to

nothing the french of a few troops with the do very much when they went to when we wanted to take the lead in libya britain and france to be utterly dependent on the americans did you. feel like to feel like they hear a piano leaders are in you in general is utterly depending on american foreign policy or do you think europe can make its own decisions independently doesn't make any decision. and force anything i mean it doesn't really matter what european views on any of what they're going to do but it is really saying the european union's don't listen to them should they rain instead we could we do mean if the european union got very upset what can you do about ukraine for example do anything to do. blunders i mean the germans and others recognize. it as independent countries also in one thousand nine hundred started

off the wall i mean this record that international diplomats. it talks about but in fact it doesn't really have a record it gets money in foreign aid. that's just taken usually by corrupt dictators and in the world now i guess i mean i can really see i don't see what it does i mean i don't see why we need it i've got no idea what it's supposed to be doing it's a ramshackle wannabe superpower the hasn't got any whose economy is in relative economic decline it's growth rate it's about one percent it's all going and if. the percentage of world g.d.p. it represents is in trouble. and it's going to get. it's many calling me germany has a population crisis over the next few decades the german population will decline by

about twenty billion they'll be as many old age pensioners and workers and the economy will sing like a stone. i mean it's true is bleak economic the. i just don't see why people get excited about it. i want to get back to what i would lead to massive problems i used to have a current version of ukip is anti immigrant while your new party support certainly slow people so you understand that you regard european immigrants you don't regard to european immigrants as threat i mean for example the issue of european immigrants allegedly competing for the jobs of the british citizens is that not a problem i mean if you live in london immigration is actually a vice of keeping on the. of transport infrastructure in terms of people working in supermarkets and in terms of postal service is the of the national health service the national service couldn't survive without guns and is and its

people you know who are dependent on public transport public. hills public postal services who come to do these things privately the dependent on the immigrants eventually work in them but. this seems to get mentioned in all the evidence it's the. immigrants in britain contribute positively to the public. the very very much less likely than the british nationals themselves to. benefit and that's even in it's politically in london the educational standards in london schools of because of the presence of immigrant families and another pos the club true it's clear that for the immigrants there are more jobs and more job opportunities and in areas of the country which new immigrants but in which the

fear of immigration is at its height there are fewer jobs and fewer opportunities for natives tell me what about the islamification on the country and the threat of radicalism and do you not regard that as a concern it is a growing problem throughout the year and. that's perfectly true. to him the government belatedly is taking steps. but. because you are in favor of immigration for be a doesn't mean you are in favor of you had these taking over the club to not doing well one could argue you know one could find a link. between the free flow of immigrants and growing muslim population in london and hero but as far as. most most yes most of these people are british the born in britain they have british passports and no immigrants there may have been it in a two by british policy in the middle east and they have been in

a tube by the. brits you say no but here the. born here still from the people who did the bombings and seven born. in the yukon say that stopping immigration will stop this what you have to do is make sure the education pulled it see. is direct to muslim children but your schools the top liberal secular values. there's a case to stop if it's rules altogether i think for example david pm urged them to but everything that we know about the sounds that the country needs to be far more mass killer in promoting british values what do you think do you believe immigrants have here doesn't in any way imply it would depends what you mean by british values and when david cameron finds it difficult to define but we ask him when he just says things like tolerance play. sings quite universal values

i don't know of a what are british values for example maybe. not having sharia courts in your own country which are essentially a parallel set of laws what do you think. well i agree that that is not a british well you have a three chords but david cameron's government and the eagle system is of agreed to them. and the government is making arrangements with. sharia loans or will finance mortgages etc could be given to muslim citizens in a way that accords with sharia practice. are not about another hot topic which a scottish referendum what do you predict for it do you think scotland will go it alone. well i'm scottish yourself i have a home in the scottish highlands. one of the problems of scotland and this is

related to the e.u. . i wrote an article about this the sunday times and i press this point but it doesn't really get anywhere but it's a very vital one that is the true case against the scottish nationalists the independence lobby and the is the role fake and the alex salmond isn't promising independence all these doing is promising that scotland becomes a separate province of the european union scots would even possible the european union possible scottish law would remain subordinate to you all scottish are good cultural prices for scottish farmers will be decided in brussels scottish fish quotas for scottish fishermen would be decided in brussels scottish social policy be if you policy. soon foreign and defense policy and probably energy policy including the declining resources of school to show it would all be controlled by

brussels. offering a deal by scotland would become like greece or portugal you know become a minor. economy inside the u. . paean union and would have its budget into the euro zone which will probably have to have its budget controlled by commissioners in brussels and by germans say he's making a small province of what the greeks already see as greater germany and he's calling this independence it's a farce but cameron and miliband and clegg can't say this because the restrictions that would remain on scotland inside the e.u. of course they support as restrictions on england and the rest of the united kingdom say we can't have a proper debate about scottish independence because the fact that scottish independence won't exist that scotland will just become a tiny province of the e.u.

is about seven m. e p's in the european parliament as opposed to fifty six m.p.'s in the british one all of this can be mentioned because you can't criticize the e.u. if you're in one of the big venture parties but just a yes or no question do you think the scots will vote yes or no. this story tony just law i think. all right al i have to go blue because. i'm sorry that's all the time we got left thank you so much i'm sorry we had to interrupt the conversation but i'm sure we're going to get a chance to talk to you more in the future maybe in september after the referendum thanks a lot for this interesting insight we're talking to dr allan scat scholar politician original founder of the united kingdom independence party and now the new deal party we're talking about why you can't make so little difference in a european problem and also why the united kingdom should leave you that support this edition of so being called i'll see you next time. if you think you.

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