technology innovation. larry king twenty years after what was dubbed the trial of the century i sit down with this most famous witness. you had a black man and a white woman and it was a sort of the first of its kind and being televised a lot of lawyers work the camera they knew the audience wasn't just the jury they knew they had to work america certain things to not when i was looking at o.j. he would wave to the jury a lot we could come into the courtroom you can see that on the cameras but i was amazed the jury and they loved him they loved him and you were the first reality star i think people saw the trial a lot as a soap opera and i was scared of the character i wasn't the real frank you know people that you were a kind of a target people made fun of you to this day there's still hate going on this is this i hope that you die soon your children too if you ever found a woman to carry

a worthless seed enough plus my opinion is i think oh she's guilty all next on larry king now. welcome to larry king now tomorrow june seventeenth boxes will be nice here marks the twenty of that a mercenary of the case that captivated the nation the anniversary of the car chase the old james simpson murder trial those sims that was found not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife nicole simpson and ron goldman in that criminal trial he was found liable for their wrongful deaths in a civil suit later for which he was ordered to pay thirty three point five million dollars he's currently serving up to thirty three years in prison for on robbery and kidnapping he had to reflect on what was dubbed the trial of the century one of

his witnesses kato caleb you remember the name that man that case transformed into an overnight celebrity and a longtime target of criticism how have you held up to twenty. kaito allowed i don't know how are you know i will you look great in that the same same well you know i think it's because of healthy living why do you think this case remains so indelible i think it's because it was televised it was celebrity and you had a black man and a white woman and it was a. sort of first of its kind and being televised people a lot of lawyers work the camera they knew the audience was in just the jury they knew they had to work america and then. then the birth of really the birth of tabloid t.v. with the current affairs hard copies and it was almost impossible to stay away from not hearing something about the case and as i said you were his first thing you were the first reality star of television and yet you you actually coined that term

to me and that was before any other reality shows because people saw it i think people saw the trial a lot as a soap opera and i was just scared of the character i wasn't the real. people saw me as a let's that that guy playing with the other fairly young viewers you know your association with o.j. was ok i knew nicole nicole was a friend of mine and o.j. . people associate me as being the caretaker never that the pool boy these are terms the media created i was in the house behind. well i actually lived in gretna green in a guest house there with nicole first became very good friends i'll tell you what it was like i actually lived in great degree and i grew up with. sydney and justin and the court action girls all on not together all of the mob but as jim was the orders right and came close courtney all of them used to jump on my bed and a lot younger and go and wake up kato you know sort of like you find in the dog

kato after me and i think that's a sort of a term of affection for me sidle i loved the kids but as i looked around then i moved over to o'jays and we would usually roll now i. rented out nichols place i had a casting business at the time so was it unfair when we made you like a house. you didn't work in o.j. took care of you that was all unfair it's so that when people this is the tough thing when people say he's a freeloader. a slacker you can't really defend yourself and i was working because the more you do on t.v. it's that repetition hearing over and over that people that the lexicon kate was a freeloader and it's kind of is in the term that people didn't understand that i was never not working and you know you it's really not rented out that you were running that mcnichols and became friends yeah and then. then nicole moved to the bundy house and i wasn't going to move in there so she offered to live in a bungalow and i took that so that's how that all started and then i had

a friendship with both of them cindy adams reported in the post two years ago that you admitted to her that o.j. killed or did you ever do that i'm so glad you brought this up i've never met cindy adams my life i've never talked in your post ever i am amazed that someone can actually sit down and write as if i'm doing an interview like we're doing right now when i've never met a person to be to have a story made up and that's it never met all of it you can't never in my life i'm amazed. have you ever commented on guilt or innocence i mean my opinion i've always had an opinion as with me is my opinion is i think o.j. is guilty that's my opinion you didn't owe her that you think you know i know i never talked this woman what do you make of it you knew o.j. so well as you reflect back when you were on the witness stand i will never forget that. how are you think he did it you know how did this guy come to do that

this nice guy right guy right. charismatic people love them i remember going to one time being invited to a football game we did the sidelines and i'm telling the crowd at the l.a. coliseum what a crazy for this guy he loved to be actually by people who loved it my opinion is i think he loved it he wanted to have his wife and other women too that's just an opinion i think that's it he lost the game last. night is god but i was eight invited to the recital in the morning i think it probably bothered him a lot and i think when a woman finally said no more that he could never have her back possibly that's what happened and he knew he could have this woman back or she played football but o.j. was not a violent person there was a side of o.j. he was captain of every team e of us served on well you know people who would tell me stuff about his domestic violence i didn't know them in eighty nine i didn't know o.j.

in the cold my everything started one thousand nine hundred three for me so i know that they had domestic violence with their phone calls there was there was no kato at that time i was not in that in the house or in their life at all you were there the night she was killed i was at the my guest house no anglo the. came back that i was right it was unusual i said during the trial that he came to my door to ask me . change for a hundred and i didn't have a change and he says going to eat and i said i was starving so i invited myself i said i'm starving can i go and it was a long pause as if i overstepped my boundaries of you know not to go out with him we ended up at the mcdonald's and this was after the killing you know this is whenever the time of timeline was his or because after the mcdonald's trip i walk to his house as if we're going to eat together. sitting at the door walking

into the kitchen area and he was still at the at the car door and never moved and then i knew i just want to hang out so i went back to my room that's the last thing you think he's doing time no not for trying to get his own property back in las vegas but for the killing. i probably thinks that i think and then i think i think nevada is saying this is how you do a crime this is how you prosecute is it once again it's an opinion and. i think that's what happened and if you believe in karma i was personally part of it because i sort happening we had the radio t.v. correspondents dinner one night in washington and a lot of celebrities with everyone the president supreme court judges all wanted to meet kato we had dinner the night before the restaurant in georgetown the paparazzi people went nuts to me get well how did you handle that you know i love people. it was. it was just a sort of embracing to have people that were kind and i i believe

a kind benevolent person i just. the funniest story is when you and i were at the dinner in georgetown never forget there is a billionaire sheik he's putting on this funny glasses and he saw my report being funny and he offered for ten million dollars to take me back there to live. you were right next to me i had a lawyer with me all the time to do the deal i don't want to do it and. who did we meet we had bill maher doing this intro saying the most popular man in america is here today if he was going to be bill clinton is so i just i didn't know the law going to happen meeting the president was in the same it was in same when bill clinton asked me was going to finish my chicken because i drew the line got a lot mr president get your are you a famous for being famous you're pretty car dash you yeah i i even go by the by line never has a man done so little to recognize and to be recognized by so many in on it i agree one hundred percent but orderly fashion was a terrific guy you know i lament

a few times i liked him a great great deal you received a lot of backlash during that case that you were a kind of a target how did you handle that people made fun of you. to this day twenty years later. i can't believe how much people how this affected them and they're still hate going on i would i actually have some tweet comments i don't know if you want to read them they're ugly people i wrote an article for the l.a. times an op ed column about the media and basically it was kind of confessions of a house guest and they changed to unwanted fame but. when i when i say. people tweeted things like what to do you really want me to read these i could give me a few for instance someone writing you scumbag and kato kaelin you scumbag i remember your testimony when you flip back and forth when you knew o.j.

killed them you are a piece of that and we have this is this i hope that you die soon your children too if you ever found a woman to carry your worthless seed. but it is it is for someone to take time i just take it to know someone i just it blows me away and i can handle it but it was all good for you on the stand was and you are in a difficult spot you know what i testified what i what i knew not what i thought happened i really did my focus was i kept thinking but i don't remember the prosecutors reviewing this i sat with them for many hours i don't remember certain questions so i had that deer in the headlight look which people said it's because i was trying to be that honest i was trying to remember everything and it was very difficult as you're almost did you ever get depressed why i think everybody gets depressed but. my parents a passed away but at the time with my mom it was i have a very large family it's when you have

a great support it's hard not to get depressed and you know they don't make you humbled if there's any more fame they know to make you say you're just this regular guy want to be actor guy from walkie so i had a great friends who. one friend of us is named will stump who helped me tremendously in my life when you testified was it hard to look at o.j. what was it like what was the certain things stand out when i was looking at o.j. if you times wave like this and it was almost a cartoon and you would wait wave to the jury a lot when you come into the courtroom you don't see that on the cameras but i was amazed in the jury they loved him they loved him you lied to me. like i said what do you as you have installed o.j. simpson right now today i think o.j. is a guilty man i think he's paying the price of oil what are your feelings toward him . you think. if i don't but i do not want to hang out with o.j. i would not i would i would stay away from o.j. that's that's it if i have an opportunity like if you did it to actually have an

interview with him i would do it in an interview as a professional to do it but i want to act as if he's my friend there's a worse time you spoke to him oh boy and he was that the civil trial and it was the men's room and i was in the same men's room with him and it was a very uncomfortable regain normalcy like you were a normal guy along with i'm saying all in all how long to take to become just a guy again. i would i would think. it does there's no real time for and i think certain things come up where you for instance the article that the woman wrote for new york post it was all over again in my life that people hated again so i had to relive that i was only two years ago i think it was it brought back everything bad then everything was everything was kind of going in my life you know i had a t.v. show that aired one hundred forty episodes on network and everything was kind of going great my life that brought me back down so i think that deep breath when you wake up to eight hundred phone calls from harvey levin from d.m.z.

you know something's wrong and that's what was going on that day so normalcy is. the same guy. from growing up wisconsin i am the exact same guy is the other people that think that i mean people still recognize you. from cable to the car dash kato on the family's rise to superstardom and his relationship with them do they stay with us. that that would hurt either.

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with. this is hard to believe twenty years ago was that famous car chase which i was on the air for three and a half hours narrating from washington d.c. one of the bizarre nights of my professional life one of the more bizarre impacts of that trial is the rise of the car dash use of the labor robert card as she was

always his longtime friend i had dinner with him we had a long meeting in the hotel room where he was going to book for o.j. to come on our show when the trial was although jay did call him to my show but night after the trial what was your relationship with the car dash it i think you said you played with them as kids and the costanza chris and a lot of times he cookouts and also they played molly ball at the national house i was in a guy who hung out with them i knew them but at. they were small children at the time so i wasn't what do you think of their. i'm blown away that there is a dynasty there. it's amazing how the trial made them because the kurdish became famous from that trial and of course kim did some other things but. but i think great that they have success i really like them yeah. i don't want to show but i think it's terrific that they've got

a career where were you when the verdict was announced. the verdict it was announced i was next to i think someone was probably a friend who was a barbara walters and we were in the room at the century plaza hotel and i was sitting there watching the verdict with bob and put his hands on old jerry shoulder what did you think. you know barker deshon when you look back at that look like he was shocked yes it looked like he was shocked and can believe it and i think that's you know one of those pictures that tell thousand words that was about ten thousand words it was it is are going to touch them a card that i think about it was really is the expression of robert put said i looked up and it was sort of a once again you know i do opinion but it looked like disbelief right what was your feeling well i thought that mistake i can believe that the trial made an ruin careers or a number of people supporting people mark furhman became famous writer marcia clark

or what do you. did so much johnny has passed away mel yeah well i think the trials up there oh my feelings have been crime does pay i think it's it spawns so many different spawns court t.v. . c n.b.c. and you tell me how many lawyers got their own t.v. shows when you were at c.n.n. there was burden of proof at the time. great of ancestry got a show and then every branched out of body every guy t.v. shows and it's amazing it's a if you think about it it's like a billion dollar industry now you're currently hosting two shows tailgating with kato a film on film on brzezinski. so you. did well for you there were negatives but a lot of positive you wouldn't be here without i would say was carson a claire hadn't seen the show back then my college days called. kato and friends i did a radio show there the i'm not defending myself but this is the career i never never not deviated from what i want to do in my life i think of what had my say car for thirty years screen actors guild card i think all these new lawyers got their card

because they are appearing in shows on t.v. and that's that's that is what is kato potato. you know potato around to share i know it was in a four star thousand she's number one vendor in home shopping network and she said i can start a men's line so she asked me at a party do you have an idea and i said brenda. this is a joke but people have called you slacker. and it's really hard work to be a slacker i said why don't we have a pant line called keto potato couch potato who doesn't like to be accountable to no on weekends or whatever it's a lounge where and it's terrific it's got a pocket for those readers and cheetos a bit in an ocean where cato's has a pocket for the remote so it's a fall release it's already made it's ready to go out we have for children to be called cater tots the women are how potatoes oh i see your mind already working there oh hey you're amazing i mean you really really you deserve all the good for the sub and all the good shit do you ever regret it all. you know is that i will

wish to tell you there she is sorry but the. question is i can't i can answer some next i can't go back in time so i don't go try to live the past i can only do things for the future and always try to make the future better for me and for really else i can only answer what's going to happen and that's what i do i can see past i guess i move forward something that never a sure what was a coal you call it she was just high energy love working out rant every day with her with christmas card as she and great mother loved her kids and it's a shame that cheating it's your kids grow up and it's a shame that ronald goldman get a chance to have kids to be a wonderful dad. she was a good mother a great mom a good friend yeah you know i think if you did this sort of sort of base things on i think when. a parent can trust their kids with someone i think that's

a compliment that it was ok for her to go to store in their kids are safe and i do or the kids and o.j. also knew that that we could trust kato o.j. loved his kids the kid they were boy there were there were moments that they were just great together about rumors that she also folder up. i guess those are just the rumors i don't know i didn't i didn't see that the media and its rise since it all blew up since then right in the media never even took off it helped make c.n.n. i mean c.n.n. with the war helped to first call yarosh war in the gulf but not only did it help with this c.n.n. and other shows you really have to think about all the c.s.i. shows every. forty eight hours law and order s v u s all these shows are based on i really believe it's on base and i crime because it's all the transcript itself in the court case if you think about it is it is a movie script was it a mistake for either cameras in the court well i that's that's

a question i don't know i think i don't even had i think he had to have it to find out something to debate later to find out now is the reason that people go it's a mistake to have cameras in the courtroom o'jays kids talk to them you know i stay away from anybody the trial not because like i said it's time for me to move forward it doesn't go back so social media questions at once is the the one tweets what do you make of the theory that o.j. was the killer and you know i did i just think that was someone is a gentleman i think his name is bill dear he wrote a book on that i think that was his name and i don't take. it as my opinion i just don't think it's about o.j. simpson for president someone who has a for instance on instagram as if o.j. was in front of you right now what would you say. i would want to know i would look at me right in the eye and say did you do it and you know it's not even funny but

so many times i can be in airports whatever that's the number one thing people will shout if they're going to shout did he do it and if you look at life right now it's like who how many and of all players and how many other athletes are in trouble now you got aaron hernandez recruit you had you had who didn't play oscar pistorius you have so many athletes a crime a crime it's just it's you're so used to people committing crime now it's the most famous only one ever on trial for murder ever yeah are you happy man yeah very happy man do you there's this date this anniversary annoy you to be thrust back get into your run of the shows i'm sure you know i think with a life it's sort of you know my sister lost her son in iraq and i compare things to really yeah i think you grief is something you have to go through when you lose something and grief only makes you grow and it's been grief witnessing parents

i can imagine for the goldman family in the browns what they have to go through every day but the process of grief and time going by you'll never forget but you have to go through grief and that's only i can relate to my nephew being lost in the war my parents losing them but for your own son or daughter that's you it's hard to they must go through so much misery will you when for good as this where were you when you learn nicole was killed. i was actually in the main house of o.j. simpson's and the detective requesting myself arnelle zero g.'s other daughter in a room and i overheard detective lang on the phone having to tell the browns. that their daughter has been killed did you wonder what the jews were doing there i didn't you know they are kicking my door than ever and i don't remember them even saying they're detectives and i was groggy and i just said these four guys at my door and i said come on it was sleeping right yeah it was i think it was

a five or so in the morning and i just remember them asking me what did you what would you wear last night and i showed him everything of the clothes and i didn't know why my mind was that plane crashed i said is there a plane crash because you're groggy if they knew i was flying to chicago and that was it did you see him out the limo the limo driver was there and yes we were all outside and he went to the limo and was acting very well right because i. flew out of on the plane so he was very. natural again to look upset about anything or yeah i did notice that in the in demeanor i think in the same doesn't that puzzle you yeah there's a man you think just now you think you just get on a guy who was used by the only does the luggage you've got that he had well the thing that has always been on my mind was to this day there was a bag by the the bentley that i was going to get for the limo driver he said no nog at that and that was

a bag that was never recovered again and we assume what was in that. it was and it could have been weapon so you know one lever no. i love you cable i love you more as they well fifty four. thanks to my guest kato cable instead of all blog and all of the t.v. slaves larry king now for an exclusive interview only moves segment with the world's most famous houseguest remember you can find me on twitter and keeps things we'll see enough stuff. this was in the washington well it's a mess that is being suggested in the latest numbers and not the media. are perceived as actually back to it doesn't do too much for ad revenue my contact

agriculture giant piece on a seventy six year old american farmer east india fallout do you think this is going to create the cia do you think this is what's triggering a race because the largest economy in the world it's also the largest debtor nation in the history of breaking the set is mostly about alternatives to the status quo but one might get real and some points from that working toward the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers are forced to wake up and start talking about the real causes of. i know c.n.n. the m.s.m. b c news have taken some not slightly but the fact is i admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story just in case one of them happens to be accurate oh. that was funny but it's close and for the truth and might think. i'm

ok it's because when full attention and the mainstream media works side by side the joke is actually on the we're going to be ok. and our teen years we have to print for. the good because the news of the world just is not this funny i'm not laughing dammit i'm not you. but i thought. you guys took to the jokes well handled it makes sense that i'm.