on larry king now the above g.m.o. is our second have our on this important topic one g.m.o. is not the same snugger g.m.o. you have to look in individual individual events of genetic engineering given seems to be a perception that any food is genetically modified and it is not the case right but those crops go up to making something between sixty and eighty percent of all prices for it make it sound like there's not much genetically modified food on the shelves in the grocery store but there actually are if we gave people the opportunity to make an informed decision which i'm fortunately done we've done have mandatory labeling of j. about then they would choose on the mass notes of baiji and that's not true you

don't want to use science free organic foods which you want the most tested foods in the history of agriculture to be tested and tested and retested in face of all the scientific evidence plus based on the current evidence that we have we cannot say that g.m.o. is a bad for you but will things change twenty years from now you know all next on larry king now. this is part two of a special larry king now looking at g.m.o. as our panel remaining food bowl segments are curtis stone lee noted chef merry little hint of the no that person also professor bob goldberg the national academy of science professor at u.c.l.a. and john salley the alone advocate t.v. host and be. a champion i understand that god goldberg has

a film we want to show short sure let's look at a jamel notice that on your left there is a worm that's eating that plant and getting big and juicy and fat and you can see it crawling around and destroying that plant imagine you're in a field in africa someplace and those caterpillars of worms infecting infesting your crop noticed the one on the right that happens to be a g m o a genetically engineered plant laboratory plant and notice that nothing is happening to it whatsoever if you had a crop that was happy with that the worms were getting it if you had that crop the only way you'd be able to get rid of that worm if it was organic you'd be spraying it with an organic insecticide it might be bt or something else if it was conventional you'd be spraying it was some pretty bad pesticides on the other hand you can see this plant on the right has barely been touched absolutely barely been

touched because it's been engineered with the gene which is in the organic insecticide exactly the same thing which has been used for seven ok you know that there were guys i want it to look weird i mean i figure if i have a wine called the reagan riot and the reason is we can run as we have a substantive move in and out of video we don't have any presence there and we could run into a bigger one hundred fifty acres of beautiful groups but instead we put points in between the bone that ward off the incident you have refuge i understand ok now the fact that you just sold me that i want what the insect was eating because they infect have been here for forty million years right he knows what do you eat a lot of plastic you want to go the limit of course would be eight out of the one he wouldn't be alive how is that not i have a cat how can we not know yet we give back to our child as evidence that the in six this well this what are you going to say if a car doesn't mean yes it. but that's that's just you know those caterpillar you

know you're you're looking at it from the point of view of we're pretty wealthy society. i find that this whole genetic engineering anti g.m.o. argument is extremely depressing because this technology has been used in so many different ways to help people in medicine of course and it's exactly how the same technology there is no not really if you will see change is no different to the chemical properties and other before we're not changing that wearable property of the food supply and the like doesn't even want to let am i supposed to get to know our children and it's not changing the chemical properties of the food that plant doesn't even recognize that it has an extra protein and that protein mary lou by the way will not work in u. . and that's a fact because that her own mind having checked out thing like that ah they've known that for about fifty years well and the reason is that a big hartley's already and the reason for that is because that protein binds to a particular part of an insect's intestine and a lot imo are all g.a.o.

foods required to be approved by the f.d.a. well it depends upon what's in it if it hasn't altered chemical composition and as an altered nutritional composition then yes but all g.m.o. crops have to be approved by either the environmental protection agency and the case or where they might very well either take their loss and then yeah ok everybody i mean whatever you would question you and what i do all the air america i know if i put all gammick vegetables in front of you and genetically modified use you wouldn't know the difference i said i wouldn't it would make a difference to me and what i want we don't want to eat as we are nattered it would in some respects i might go for the genetically engineer food because when you have insect resistant corn you know insects are going to go to that corn no corn bores are going to go and it's been shown that when you have non-genetic we engineered corn the insects can go to the cob they can eat that corn and it provides an

opportunistic place for fungi to grow in those who it is like trying any food it has not frankly if i mean if you want to now if we how did you as a chef come in this why did you become opposed to look i think that people. they have the power to make their own decisions as a chef by the way on booked out for two months at my restaurant the reason one of the reasons for that is because i make healthy decisions and i make healthy to decisions for my customers and i know that they appreciate it just like when we're talking to the government to partly they have an ethical stance around food and guess what their business is doing really really well if we if we gave people that gave people the opportunity to make an informed decision which on fortunately we don't if we don't have mandatory labeling of j m a then they would choose on the mass not to buy g.m. that's not true and then i thought that is absolutely thrilled about welcoming katie pratt she and her husband grow corn soybeans and seed corn on their farm in

illinois and katie let's start with why you use j m o seed on your farm. well we've made the choice to use genetically modified seeds as one tool to help us increase our yields. it helps us he basically do more of less we are able to produce a good part of crap. by now that using as much inputs in terms of fertilizers and cracked actually tools pesticides herbicides insecticides and we had last for agriculture appeals which helped reduce soil erosion what does not do most of your crops go to feeding animals because of go to making soybean oil or you know where we are located in allen the way we have we're very glaspie as we have a variety of different places are those animal feed is one of them and we have

several in our plants in a hundred mile radius of our fire and while we are not a member of those cooperatives if those plants are in need of corn we may sell to them. there is a processing plant just across the river in iowa that will take or to make sure there aren't oil or in starch that will then be used in the brain waves and we're very close to look the other way in mississippi river and so some of our grain will go on barges and be shipped overseas for x. export if we were now at least twenty eight countries worldwide have partial or total bans on this we were all hazard have to make the switch no i don't think we were i think that i have to bring that up because when the first genetically modified seeds came out i was still in high school and so i don't know that i was fully aware of how my father made decisions on our farm and here in my husband's

family we found his family today and i was asking him about this and he said been wait a couple of years just to see how those first crops luper who are as with any decision we make our own fire and we take some time to do research reading part where me burgers do you want your child trying to figure children these crops. well certainly my children eat the food that i purchased in grocery stores and so some of that food may have these types of ingredients in them and yes i feel comfortable feeding them right that you don't feed them from your farm well the crops that we grow our fire are not ones that you would go out and harvest and then turn around and cook and serve it a meal it's feel quire i do gardening and we do race the corn as well and yes the free staten we eat at throughout the winter and we eat in my garden in the spring in the summer and i actually i like aren't really trying to get my kids to eat

their fruits and vegetables and i said jam a corner is that a seed that's organic in your garden and your garden well genetically modified sleeves are only commercially available for eight crafts and so no none of the seeds that are in my garden are genetically modified because they are natural balal i find that an interesting juxtaposition that your a commercial grower and you're growing j. of our crops that you know are going to end up in food but then for your own family growing organic vegetables and you faith in them something very different well but see there's. the reason why is because there are not genetically modified seed available for tomatoes or potatoes or onions melons bad is not commercially available if it was available i essayed make decisions on our farmer i take a look at what that quality would be what would it benefit the. net in my garden

and then make that decision accordingly maybe you get your seed from monsanto. some r.c. in spite of popular opinion there are several speed companies that sell the mine single being one and. we buy from the pioneer we buy companies to send. the who's us to plant a variety of hybrids on our fire and not just one what was your personal opinion on labeling well i think that legally it is very misunderstood i believe that it should be some movement volunteer ie. you know if if the general consumer can't give the proper definition of what genetic modification is then great let's put it on a label but as was the case recently with general mills meeting that decision to live for another choice with their original cheerios and label. now containing

g.m.o. and greedy ends which is fine but there is a disclaimer under there and i just find it interesting that so what does that we will mean then if we have to have a disclaimer people can i get out what g.m.o. means just from googling it and trying to understand go out you know they can figure out the laws for organic what the different types of labeling really means so it's not a question of a let's not put a label on because people won't know what it is well it is the beginning of our conversation here the question being asked if i created. my garden and i think that's where this conversation takes the turn is that there is. there seems to be a perception that any food the billionaire the orange the great whatever believe is genetically modified and that is not the case there are only eight crops commercially available in that four or so i love many of those crops are consumed

in the form of ingredients or by products and not direct right but those crops go up to making something between sixty and eighty percent of all processed food right we're talking about major crops we're not talking about national crops to make it sound like there's not much genetically modified food on the shelves in the grocery store but there actually are is that your processed foods yes you know processed foods exactly which is what a lot of the nagging reading that completely. i mean i'll want to make one more like really significant point there is you know we tend to science we turn to professors and studies as we should right and they should be two sides to every argument and should consider but sides that's my opinion we did send a science we did sent a fit but there's something else going on within our society right now that you have to be blind not to say whether it's sugar diabetes going through the roof where there's eighty million americans that are now gluten intolerant whether there

is you know this astronomical rise in allegations now we turn to the doctors and science to tell us but no one can tell us why that's happening i can just tell you getting better drew well like you did we say you cannot going to do a major segment of the process what does the medical community have to say about the help them facts of g.m.o. as we think katie for being with us dr so no ali will join sees it cedars will get his take when we return. well. it's technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got this huge you're covered. the the piece of legislation was a terrible mistake now i'm very hard to make going to let you get along here

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a lot of. people. like to have you with us here on t.v. today i wrote researcher. we now welcome dr so know a lot as it is a visit should medical expert he currently serves as chief of all the feet of surgery at cedars sinai here in los angeles as with listed as a top doctor by the u.s. news and world report the wall street journal referred to him as the dr oz of india all right dr let's get right to it your medical opinion our g.m.o. safe so larry there's three different things we think off when we think of g.m.

modes and their health risks and i'll go over them one by one just to address them so the first one is something called as a harvest somdel gene transfer so one of the concerns is that when you alter foods and you consume them could those genes go from the consume food into either bacteria in the gut or into the person eating it themselves and you know there's a few steps along the way that make sure that that doesn't happen number one most of the foods that we consume are processed so in the processing a lot of these proteins an enzyme to degraded secondly we degrade these products with our saliva and a gastric juices so that kills them and thirdly for them to actually incorporate into either our body of the bacteria they have to find the right spot to get into and our body has defense mechanisms mechanisms against those so i think the likelihood is pretty low. the second thing we think about is attard allergies from these products so maybe you're not allergic to soy beans but if we add something to

the soybean you might get allergic to it and that's one of the process is that these products have to go through to be tested to make sure that there's no known allergen the really adding to it so you know there are some instances where we added a brazil not into soybean to make it more nutritious and it ended up being that it was allergic and it was pulled off before it got into the market and then there was the whole taco bell fiasco where you know some corn that be allowed animals to eat with less strict. oversight women to the human consumption and then finally toxicity you know we worry about you know the toxic to our gut is a toxic to our liver is a toxic to our pancreas and there really been no studies that have been proven to show that there were some that indicated that it might be but all of those have been debunked by now and there is the most important thing is that the w.h.o. the american medical association the royal society of medicine all have concurred that g.m.o. those are safe to human health so your conclusion is we don't have any evidence to

show that it is not safe. so that is how long how long did you do these studies and how long can we do these studies to make sure that something like that because listen i'm i'm the perfect testimony that science doesn't know everything i have a very unusual memory and years ago there was nothing about it in medical books science books or anything else now there's a whole new field that's open so i know that we don't have all of the information we don't and there are so many other countries that are against g.m.o. is my dog only one hundred percent not is ninety years ago she has a garden in the back of a house and when we see would grow watermelon if she would get anything she would say if the watermelon doesn't have seed don't need. it says he said i got to be able to take the seeds drive and then have the crop back against genetically modified yeah i'm sorry go ahead i'm going to go over this i'm going to go with my ninety year old mother that says eat foods out of your garden eat food that

a natural i'm going to go what she would say in the bible did you have food is literally of the seeds in the trees coming out of your leg and you're not going to eat anything because every single solitary food that you buy whether it's organic or not has been made by breeding thousands of years and altering genes in fact wheat is been made because it's been a cross between different species not even the same species you same guys did it salmon and we see that when we did hear the growing hand you guys have modified i have even thought of even while you have it but that hasn't been one of the science you make money have modified it and they put this into a situation of you now have people think and they can be the salmon that is made right there on a farm and even i know it's not good for you because let's see what i've got now that i have it doesn't have two eyes and so i dug sort of some of the alleged upsides to some g.e. crops is the reduction to the use of pesticides yes in your opinion oppresses sides

proven to be dangerous to health yes that's the sides are not a good thing if they kill an. they're not good for your health that's the whole idea of the g.m.o. those was to reduce pesticides in our environment and i'm not sure that has actually boarded out the well we the way we intended it that's how do i want to answer the question you know medicine is not black and white a lot of it is gray based on the current evidence that we have we cannot say that g.m.o. is a bad for you but will things change twenty years from now nobody knows and where do you say i'm in terms of labeling why should we know let's say everything you guys are saying is absolutely fabulous about g.m.o. so ok why are we not allowed to have labeling and where do you stand on it. the i'm all for labeling transparency is what should be everybody should know what they're eating the concern is and again this is all political in that once you start labeling then grocery stores then we've seen this in europe have just not stored anymore g.m.o. foods in the store and so consumers don't have

a choice anymore because it ends up being more political so i suppose that's the reason but from my perspective transparency is the best lagarde respond because i agree with them totally but i think you take it on a case by case basis one g.m.o. is not the same snow other g.m.o. he have to look in individual individual events of genetic engineering that's the only way to do it and furthermore i find it ironic that you want to use all the sort of gannett stuff in your restaurant and you're so gung ho about it but there's not one word gannett food that you use in your restaurant that has been tested by any agency any scientific study has no regulatory oversight and in fact could have some toxins and things in it that are worse than g.m.o. crops i mean that's what's so ironic you don't want to use science for your gannett foods which you want the most tested foods in the history of agriculture to be tested and tested and retested in face of all the scientific evidence that's what i find so ironic i'd like to bring our running magazine another issue both to let him

answer don't you think ernest i have an hour interview to do you know we're serious issues go ahead and that plays. you know i think it's great that we can go in our grocery stores and we can go to you restaurant and we can spend all the money that we do on food because we spend only five percent of our disposable income on food because we're a very wealthy society with many societies are spending eighty to ninety percent of their money on food and they have very serious problems of famine very serious problems of of not being able to provide enough for their families they have very serious nutritional problems and i find it amazing that the campaign against genetically modified plants indirectly has hurt really literally tens and tens of thousands of people in children because the technology to do that is here and now an old that exists that can help them is not being used because of

this concerted anti-science campaign golden rice is an example that it is paid used now even for something of what i see you know in america not easy and that's not being used what it needs to be as it's not being used for example that author said i'm really i'm all that you are many i don't want i because anything or how i say the nominee to society every k. probably national liberal college i want to share even do that how are you guys are not one of being dumped you think andy g.m.o. was a kinda being anti science well it depends on what you're trying to achieve if you're trying to ban it probably but i think if you're reasonable to discussion and to sorting out the facts then you're not right because there's ups and downs with all of us that i imagine no one's mind is will change by demanding why did i tell you about what you're doing i agree with lots of one hundred ten before i was i was back and forth but maybe i was thinking until i realized i saw that that player got plant a drug and that's properly we have the social media questions gary propose on facebook

how do farmers who usually never agree modified seed control for cross-pollination can. g.e. crops spread to non g.m.o. crops thereby contaminating them yes no. there's no need of when we're in united states we draw mostly soybean and corn and there is no native soybean and corn that is in the fields around it and furthermore the pollen of corn is pretty heavy and people have measured exactly how far it goes and so the chance of these things cross pollinating a native species almost bear impost had very dear instagram what objective twenty years scientific study has been done on the vitamin hormonal in genetic descendants of g.m.o. animals produce in humans and why is this not candid information to a consuming public it hasn't been tested long enough now that there's no genetically engineered animals that are on the market that you're eating some of it but they're eating are full of it so how about any one layer using now did anyone

lay claim to seeds which would come airborne cross pollinating other fields you do not wish to cross-pollinate would geos that happen have happened but it depends upon what field we're talking about depends upon that on how that's why so i'd rather not had to switch the sides as noted yet the points of that anyways both of their if your father doesn't want to produce j m a lot of knowledge that you have one seed that might have across how do you know that i know the field is are going to be a whole field it's impossible to know how i'm going to find my exam londell s. is it realistic that a national law would be passed in the united states to require g.m.o. labeling problem and i'm going to happen. even though ninety three percent of people want it and i don't agree with that at all that's the basis i have different statistics that when you and i have he'll have those you know your i don't ninety three percent what kind of us to be legal is what consumers are for and i'm not if

you get age make a statement or disagree that you want to say take about a minute look i think there is ups and downs to absolutely everything you've spoken a lot about the world food shortage in america and we throw away nearly fifty percent of what we produce so you know the price of food gone up i actually don't think it's a bad thing i think that there's more responsibility that comes with higher price foods i think that you know this is of course positives admonishes to both sides of the argument all i state is that we should be given the choice we absolutely should be given the choice and the only way you can be given the choice is by been given the information merely absolutely i agree that there should be labeling so that people will know if they're choosing g.m.o. us and if they're not choosing jam us and i can tell people if you want to make sure you don't have g.m.o. is make sure you shop organic it's the only thing and it's safer and tastier for your children absolutely john i met another guy named ron finley who is like he's the gardener in the city we talk about all these different food zones drug zones not being able to feed these kids i think we need to look at all the vacant lots

and all the broken down places and start farming in towers of farming in the ground and stop buying these dramatically modified food to go really been modifying foods for over ten thousand years and we've got to produce more food in the next fifty years in the higher history of humankind we have to do with less water and less resources and a lot less land and certainly cherokee engineering is one of the tools in the tool box because we're in a revolution of agriculture just like the human genome we're learning about every single solitary gene in every crop of every plant and of this earth and we can use it to make the drought resistant and the insect resistant and the. estrus is the crops of the future that are perfectly safe and really will do a lot of good thanks to i guess no mind has been changed of this. curtis stone john salley earl and the bob dole as well as those who joined us from old we want to continue with the conversation with you you can tweet me against things and i'll

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