the organic foods which we want the most tested foods in the history of agriculture to be tested and tested and retested in face of all the scientific evidence plus based on the current evidence that we have we cannot say that g.m.o. is a bad for you but will things change twenty years from now you know all next on larry king now. this is part two of a special larry king now looking at g.m.o. as our panel remaining food votes wins are curtis stone the noted chef marilu henner of the no that person off the professor bob goldberg the national academy of science professor at u.c.l.a. and john salley the alone advocate t.v. host and n.b.a. champion i understand that you got goldberg as

a film we want to show short sure let's look at a jamel notice that on your left there is a worm that's eating that plant and getting big and juicy and fat and you can see it crawling around and destroying that plant magine you're in a field in africa someplace and those caterpillars are worms infecting infestation your crop noticed the one on the right that happens to be a j m o a genetically engineered plant laboratory plant and notice that nothing is happening to it whatsoever if you had a crop that was happy with that the worms were getting it if you had that crop the only way you'd be able to get rid of that worm if it was organic you'd be spraying it with an organic insecticide it might be bt or something else if it was conventional you'd be spraying it was some pretty bad pesticides on the other hand you can see this plant on the right has barely been touched absent. really barely

been touched because it's been engineered with the gene which is in the organic insecticide exactly the same thing which has been used for seven ok you know that there were guys i want it i mean i figure if i have a wine called the reagan vibe and the reason is big and bright as we have a substantive move in and out of video and we don't have any process. we can run it through a big one hundred fifty acres of beautiful groups but instead we put points in between the bone that ward off the inside you know refuge i understand ok now the fact that you just sold me that i want what the insect was eating because the insect have been here for forty million years right he knows what to eat a lot of plastic if you want to go on the limit of course of the eight of the one he wouldn't be alive how is that not everybody can how can we not really good we give back to our child isn't evidence that the in six this well this what are you going to say if a car doesn't need it yeah yeah but that's that's just you know those caterpillar

you know you're you're looking at it from the point of view of we're pretty wealthy society. i find that this whole genetic engineering anti g.m.o. argument is extremely depressing because this technology has been used in so many different ways to help people in medicine of course and it's exactly how the same technology there is no not you will see change is no different to the chemical properties and of the food we're not changing that clerical property of the food chain of light where and what it doesn't even want to look at and i suppose there is no our children that's not changing the chemical properties of the food that plant doesn't even recognize that it has an extra protein and that protein mary lou by the way will not work in u. . and that's a fact because that her own mind having checked out thing like that ah they've known that for about fifty years well and the reason he said that a big hartley's already are in the reason for that is because that protein binds to a particular part of an insect's intestine. overall g.a.o.

foods required to be approved by the f.d.a. well it depends upon what's in it if it hasn't altered chemical composition and as an altered nutritional composition then yes but all g.m.o. crops have to be approved by either the environmental protection agency and the case or they might very well either take samples and then yeah ok everybody i mean whatever you would question you and what i do all the air america i know if i put all gammick vegetables in front of you and genetically modified use you wouldn't know the difference i said i wouldn't it would make a difference to me and what i want we don't want is a winner nattered it would in some respects i might go for the genetically engineer food because when you have insect resistant corn you know insects are going to go to that corn no corn bores are going to go and it's been shown that when you have non genetically engineered corn the insects can go to the cob they can eat that

corn and it provides an opportunistic place for fungi to grow in those who it is like trying any food it has not frankly if i mean if you want to now if we how did you as a chef come in this why did you become opposed to look i think that people. they have the power to make their own decisions as a chef by the way on booked out for two months at my restaurant the reason one of the reasons for that is because i make healthy decisions and i make healthy to decisions for my customers and i know that they appreciate it just like when we're talking to the government to partly they have an ethical stance around food and guess what their business is doing really really well if we if we gave people the gave people the opportunity to make an informed decision which on fortunately we don't if we don't have mandatory labeling of j m a then they would choose on the mass not to buy g. and so to that and i thought that is absolutely thrilled about welcoming katie pratt she and her husband grow corn soybeans and seed corn on their farm in

illinois and katie let's start with why you use g.m.o. seed on your farm. well we've made the choice to use genetically modified seeds as one tool to help us increase our yields. it helps us he basically doing word of last we are able to produce a good part of crap. now that using as much inputs in terms of fertilizers and crack actually jewels pesticides herbicides insecticides and we have last for agriculture appeals which helps reduce soil erosion what does not do most of your crops go to feeding animals that the go to making soybean oil or you know where we are located in allen the way we have we're very glaspie as we have a variety of different places our own dollars animal feed is one of them and we

have several in our plants in a hundred mile radius of our fire and while we are not a member of those cooperatives if those plants are in need of corn we may sell to them. there is a processing plant just across the river in iowa that will take or to make sure there are corn oil or in starch that will then be used in the brain waves and we're very close to look the other way in mississippi river and so some of our grain will go on barges and we shipped overseas for x. exports we were now at least twenty eight countries worldwide have partial or total bans on this we were all hazard have to make the switch no i don't think we were i think that i have to bring that up because when the first genetically modified seeds came out i was still in high school and so i don't know that i was fully aware of how my father made decisions on our farm and here in my husband's family

we farm with his family today and i was asking him about this and he said been wait a couple of years just to see how those first crops looper who are absolutely decision we make our own fire and we take some time to do research reading part where me burgers do you want your children to feed their children these crops. well certainly my children eat the food that i purchased in grocery stores and so some of that food may have these types of ingredients in them and yes i feel comfortable eating them but when you don't feed them from your farm well the crops that we grow our fire are not ones that you would go out and harvest and then turn around and cook and serve it a meal it's feel quire i do gardening and we do re street corner as well and yes we freeze that and we eat that throughout the winter and we eat from my garden in the spring in the summer and i am i aren't really trying to get my kids to eat their

fruits and vegetables and i said jam a corner is that a seed that's organic in your garden and your garden well genetically modified sleeves are only commercially available for eight crabs and so no none of the seeds that are in my garden are genetically modified because they're mad bale i find that an interesting juxtaposition that you're a commercial grower and you're growing j. of our crops that you know are going to end up in food but then for your own family growing organic vegetables and you faith in them something very different well let's see there is. the reason why is because there are not genetically modified seed of available for tomatoes or potatoes or onions melons that is not commercially available if it was available i essayed make decisions on our farm or i take a look at what that quality would be what would it benefit the. net in my garden

and then make that decision accordingly hey do you get your seed from monsanto. some r.c. inspired popular opinion there are several speed companies that sells the monsanto being one and. we buy from pioneer we buy companies to send. the who's us to plant a variety of hybrids on our fire and not just one what was your personal opinion on labeling well i think that legally it is very misunderstood i believe that it should be some agreements volunteer e. . you know if if the general consumer can't give the proper definition of what genetic modification is then great let's put it on a label but as is the case recently with general mills meeting that decision to allow for another choice with their original cheerios and labeling the. now containing g.m.o.

ingredients which is fine but there is a disclaimer under that and i just find it interesting that so what does that we will mean then if we have to have a disclaimer but people can i doubt what g.m.o. means just from googling it and trying to understand go out you know they can figure out the laws for organic what the different types of labeling really means so it's not a question of a let's not put a label on because people won't know what it is well it is the beginning of our conversation here the question being asked if i created. my garden and i think that's where this conversation takes the turn is that there is. there seems to be a perception that any food the end of the orange the great whatever treaty is genetically modified and that is not the case there are only eight crops commercially available in that four or so i love many of those crops are consumed

in the form of ingredients or by products and not direct right but those crops go up to making something between sixty and eighty percent of all processed food right there we're talking about major crops we're not talking about nation or crops you make it sound like there's not much genetically modified food on the shelves in the grocery store but there actually are is that your processed foods yes your processed foods exactly which is what a lot of i think you do agree with that completely. i mean i'll want to make one more like really significant point there is you know we tend to science we tend to professors and studies as we should write and they should be two sides to every argument and should consider but sod's that's my opinion we did send a science we did center for that there's something else going on within our society right now that you have to be blind not to say whether it's sugar diabetes going through the roof where there's eighty million americans that are now gluten

intolerant whether there is you know this astronomical rise in allegations now we doctors and science to tell us but no one can tell us why that's happening i can just tell you getting better drugs well then you get i'm not going to make you sick one of the procedures what does the medical community have to say about the help the facts of g.m.o. as we think a people being with us doctors so no i will join this season seeders will get his take when we return. i marinate join me on thirteen get impartial and financial reporting caring for me and much much. only on bass and only on.

the. science technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the future covered. this was in the washington well it's a missile that is being suggested in the latest numbers of the. candidates for the prophecy of current issues actually back to a new doesn't do too much for ad revenue my own tech agriculture giant teeth on a seventy six year old american farmer based in india fallout do you think this is going to create for the cia do you think this is what's triggering a race america's the largest economy in the world it's also the largest debtor nation in the history of the world breaking the set is mostly about alternatives to the status quo but one might give real alternatives of points to working towards

the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers are forced to wake up and start talking about the real causes of. we know all of them dr so in the presence of visit should medical expert he currently serves as chief of all the p.d. of surgery at cedars sinai here in los angeles as with a list that is of top doctor by the u.s. news and world report the wall street journal referred to him as the dr oz of india dr let's get right to it your medical opinion r g m o's safe so larry there's three different things we think of when we think of g.m. most and their health risks and i'll go over them one by one just to address them so the first one is something called as a horizontal gene transfer so one of the concerns is that when you alter foods and

you consume them could those genes go from the consume food into either bacteria in the gut or into the person eating it themselves and you know there's a few steps along the way that make sure that that doesn't happen number one most of the foods that we consume are processed so in the processing a lot of these proteins and then the degraded secondly we degrade these products with our saliva and a gastric juices so that kills them and thirdly for them to actually incorporate into either our body or the bacteria they have to find the right spot to get into and our body has defense mechanisms mechanisms against those so i think the likelihood is pretty low the second thing we think about is other allergies from these products so maybe you're not allergic to soy being but if we add something to the soybean you might get allergic to it and that's one of the processes that these products have to go through to be tested to make sure that there's no known allergen that riyad into it so you know there are some instances where we added

brazil not into soybean to make it more nutritious and it ended up being that it was allergic and it was pulled up before it got into the market and then there was the whole pop up bell fiasco where you know some corn that be allowed animals to eat with less strict you know. oversight women do the human consumption and then finally toxicity you know we worry about you know the toxic to our gut is a toxic to our liver is a toxic to our pancreas and there really been no studies that have been proven to show that there were some that indicated that it might be but all of those have been debunked by now and there is the most important thing is that the w.h.o. the american medical association the royal society of medicine all have concurred that g.m.o. those are safe to human health so your conclusion is we don't have any evidence to show that it is not safe. so that is how long how long did you do these studies and

how long can we do these studies to make sure that something like that because listen i'm. in the perfect testimony that science doesn't know everything i have a very unusual memory and years ago there was nothing about it in medical books science books or anything else now there's a whole new field that's open so i know that we don't have all of the information we don't and there are so many other countries that are against g.m.o. is my dog only one hundred percent not is ninety years ago she has a garden in the back of a house and when was she would grow watermelon if she would get anything she would say if the watermelon doesn't have seed don't need. it says he said i got to be able to take the seeds drive and then have the crop back again it's genetically modified yeah i'm sorry go ahead i'm going to go over this i'm going to go with my ninety year old mother that says eat foods out of your garden eat food that unnatural i'm going to go what she would say in the bible did you have food is literally of the seeds in a tree coming out of your leg and you're not going to eat anything because every

single solitary food that you buy whether it's organic or not has been made by breeding thousands of years and altering genes in fact wheat is been made because it's been a cross between different species not even the same species you same guys that eat salmon and we see that if you want a baby a to grow in hen you guys have modified i have you might have even while you have it but that has been one of the science and make money have modified it and they put this into a situation of you now have people think and they can be the salmon that is made right there on a farm and even i know it's not good for you because let's see what i've got now that i have it doesn't have two eyes and so i dug sort of some of the alleged upsides to some g.e. crops is the reduction to the use of pesticides yes in your opinion of pesticides proven to be dangerous to health yes pesticides are not a good thing if they kill an. they're not good for your health that's the whole idea of the g.m.o.

those was to reduce pesticides in our environment and i'm not sure that has actually boarded out the well we the way we intended it that's how do i want to answer the question you know medicine is not black and white a lot of it is gray based on the current evidence that we have we cannot say that g.m.o. is a bad for you but will things change twenty years from now nobody knows and where do you say i'm in terms of labeling why should we know let's say everything you guys are saying is absolutely fabulous about g.m.o. so ok why are we not allowed to have labeling and where do you stand on it. the i'm all for labeling transparency is what should be everybody should know what they're eating the concern is and again this is all political in that once you start labeling then grocery stores then we've seen this in europe have just not stored anymore g.m.o. foods in the store and that consumers don't have a choice anymore because it ends up being more political so i suppose that's the reason but from my perspective transparency is the best blog or do you respond because i agree with them totally but i think you take it on

a case by case basis one g.m.o. is not the same snugger g.m.o. he have to look in individual individual events of genetic engineering that's the only way to do it and furthermore i find it ironic that you want to use all this word gannett stuff in your restaurant and you're so gung ho about it but there's not one word gannett food that you use in your restaurant that has been tested by any agency any scientific study has no regulatory oversight and in fact could have some toxins and things in it that are worse than g.m.o. crops i mean that's what's ironic you don't want to use science for your organic foods which you want the most tested foods in the history of agriculture to be tested and tested and retested in face of all the scientific evidence that's what i find so ironic i'd like to bring i want to balance in the other issue well let him answer don't you think ernest i have an hour interview to i mean if i were serious issue to go ahead and that plays. you know i think it's great that we can go in our

grocery stores and we can go to you restaurant and we can spend all the money that we do on food because we spend only five percent of our disposable income on food because we're a very wealthy society with many societies are spending eighty to ninety percent of their money on food and they have very serious problems of famine and very serious problems of of not being able to provide enough for their families they have very serious nutritional problems and i find it amazing that the campaign against genetically modified plants indirectly has hurt really literally tens and tens of thousands of people in children because the technology to do that is here and now an old that exists that can help them is not being used because of this concerted anti-science campaign golden rice is an example that it is plain used for something of course is food no in america is not easy and that's not being

used what it needs to be as it's not being used for example the author said i'm really i'm all that you're saying is i don't want to i because anything or how i say the nominee to solve every case probably doesn't eliminate all i want to show you can do that how are you right guys are not one of being dubbed you think andy g.m.o. was akin to being anti science well it depends on what you're trying to achieve if you're trying to ban it probably but i think if you're reasonable to discussion and to sorting out the facts then you're not right because there's ups and downs with all of us that i imagine no one's mind is will change by demanding why did i tell you about what you're doing i agree with lots of one hundred ten before i was i was back and forth but maybe i was thinking until i realized i saw that that player that plant drugs that is properly we have the way social media questions gary propose on facebook how do farmers who usually never agree modified seed controlled for cross-pollination can. g.e. crops spread to non g.m.o.

crops thereby contaminating them yes no. there's no need of when we're in the united states we draw mostly soybean and corn and there is no native soybean and corn that is in the fields around it and furthermore the pollen of corn is pretty heavy and people have measured exactly how far it goes and so the chance of these things cross pollinating a native species almost rare impossible that very very instagram what objective twenty years scientific study has been done on the vitamin hormonal in genetic descendants of g.m.o. animals produce in humans and why is this not candid information to a consuming public that hasn't been tested long enough guy but there's no genetically engineered animals that are on the market that you're eating such but they're eating are full of it so how about anyone later using now to give them even lay claim to seeds which would come airborne cross pollinating other fields who do not wish to cross-pollinate with geos that happen have happened but it depends upon

what field we're talking about depends upon that on how that's why so i'd rather not had to switch sides as noted yet the points of that anyways both of them run through their farm of that doesn't want to for just jam a lot like that you have one seed that might have a cross how do you know that i know the field is are going to be a whole field it's impossible to know all i'm going to find my exam londell s. is it realistic that a national law would be passed in the united states to require g.m.o. labeling problem and i'm going to happen. you know ninety three percent of people want it. and i don't agree with that at all that's the this is i have different statistics that when you and i have held i doubt you know you're i don't ninety three percent what carrot of us to be legal is what consumers are for and i'm not if you get age make a statement or does that even you want to say to them it look i think there is ups and downs to absolutely everything you've spoken a lot about the world food shortage in america alone we throw away nearly fifty

percent of what we produce so you know the price of food gone up i actually don't think it's a bad thing i think that there's more responsibility that comes with higher price food i think that you know. gives admonishes to both sides of the argument all i state is that we should be given the choice we absolutely should be given the choice and the only way you can be given the choice is by being given the information merely absolutely i agree that there should be labeling so that people will know if they're choosing g.m.o. us and if they're not choosing jam us and i can tell people if you want to make sure you don't have g.m. always make sure you shop organic it's the only thing and it's safer and tasty or for your children absolutely john i met an old guy named ron finley who was like. he's the gardener in the city we talk about all these different food zones drug zones not being able to feed these kids i think we need to look at all the vacant lots and all the broken down places and start farming in towers or farming in the ground and stop buying these dramatically modified food got to go really been

modifying foods for over ten thousand years and we've got to produce more food in the next fifty years in the entire history of humankind we have to do with less water and less resources and a lot less land and certainly genetic engineering is one of the tools in the tool box because we're in a revolution of agriculture just like the human genome we're learning about every single solitary gene in every crop of every plant on defense this earth and we can use it to make the drought resistant and the insect resistant and the pest risk is the crops of the future that are perfectly safe and really will do a lot of good thanks to i guess no mind has been changed of this found curtis stone john salley there who got the ball as well as those who joined us from over we want to continue with the conversation with you you can tweet me against things and i'll see you next time.

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