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in the sea come on. we're not going to quit we will not stop until it is done what is more precious music more moon. welcome to surf and co i'm sophie shevardnadze is out says she a crane a great bag cast civilians are struggling to find safety i would protect innocent people to work in the spotlight as to their plight so they would in a way people precious foreign ministry haskel pile to report on the civil rights violations in ukraine since the start of the armed. well the man behind his work

the mistress' commissioner for human rights. is my guest today. those who suffer most from the war are those who take least part in it with the ukrainian army on the offensive will the civilian plight in eastern ukraine get worse who can stop it and how and who should be held accountable. because that's all for russian foreign ministry commissioner for human rights is great show today now we're going to start from the latest news the killings of the russian journalists it's a horrible tragedy obviously. but there's a full fledged war going on in ukraine is it really possible to find who is to blame and who is responsible for the killings well obviously. or what it takes it takes us to a political will. on the part of kiev authorities agree with or it is.

definitely we. we think that it is horrible it is absolutely reasonable to shoot over this anywhere because they are performing their professional duties they are not taking sides they are not combatants they are not participants in the conflict but they are civilians and what we witness really in the eastern ukraine right now. is military operation which is being waged against not just. people without homes against. is huge in ukraine but russian side school regarding journalist russian side is convinced killings are deliberate there was italian journalist with his translator also killed why do the russian side believe that these killings are deliberate.

well first of all all. all drawn is i mean they have markings on their clothes they have markings t.v. or press markings on their vehicles and. there are numerous witness reports there and we have obviously formation which is only open today that they are being persecuted that the russian journalists have been persecuted by russian journalists are journalists in general you don't not only russian we because attacks on journalists they have continued for for a while and. let's remember british journalists who are there who are things you do for who are absolutely and who are as if i'm not mistaken and there and he was also have to have that. several russians on this have been killed three russians others have been killed in fact and then it's at the end of this as well there was there it is impossible not to see that you are shooting at journalists because

once again we are clearly marked and. given that information we have all the reasons to believe that these these are deliberate actions and let's not forget that what is happening in other parts of ukraine visibly driven this is basically which we wanted because they are key you authorities they are hunting down. ukrainian journalists not russian ukrainians on this who. allow themselves to speak. against the the the official way against the official lead or at least to try to do to. put three more or less subjectively the picture of what is happening inside ukraine today so it is it is full fledged attack on the freedom of the media and of freedom of speech want to. refugee situation as well there's evidence

thousands are fleeing the conflict zone in the east of ukraine by the un estimates numbers one hundred and ten thousand are those numbers accurate well. obviously the it is difficult to count but the. least number is closer to the real picture and you know that the russian the respective russian authorities they have estimated that almost half a million people have fled to russia but. leave the initial u.n. figures are much lower than one hundred of those the u.n. presence is in the eastern ukraine and obviously is not significant they don't have many wanted to and so they have i i do think the big figures obviously and all that there are much much. out the state department says that there is no evidence

to back they un taken figures regarding their refugee flow from eastern ukraine could u.s. monitors being right it to monitor maybe to clarify the situation well i believe that. there are some u.s. more interests as far as the voice even for this goes. let's not forget that we mean presidents monitoring presidents is not the u.n. presence there is the always. they have several hundred monitors like you and. i think it's not the mets or all of us are representatives in the morning to reject it is as such i think it's a political line they're watching to the stake has been taking they do everything possible not to. not to. see the facts. or to misinterpret the facts. so they understand that this is unfortunately this is

part of the political game this is part of the information war and we take it as it is what it is it is obviously what we what we hear from the department of state only on this issue asian with if you jeezy's. is unthinkable you know it's difficult even to comment on this so. it is a far cry from the from the real situation. ukraine prevents many to cross the border from here crying to russia i know what happens to us here on doing up their fate well because of them well the feeds. it is not difficult to foretell the the fate i mean when i was. on my way to tell you today i had to just another report from the russian media that. the. security forces and the national guard which in rules basically knew were not

sentiments of the extremist elements ultra nationalists they restarted shooting at the refugee convoys or just the civilian cars in which people were trying to flee the has did it is and to cross the russian border games will do is unfortunately are being numbered in hundreds and in civilian casualties over the past several days only after put a. restarted restart it's the military campaign now you've compiled a report the white book that details here and rights violations in ukraine. why do you think anyone outside russia will actually save us report seriously because from what we know everything that comes out of moscow or its last class family and it is dismissed in the west as not credible well when you see in the in the west i think that we have to differentiate a little bit who is in the west if you speak about the official quarters and the

official circles yes in the in washington in some of the european capitals obviously they will not be happy with our new book they haven't been happy with the first one as far as human race defenders are concerned that we have received a positive reports from many of them positive signals that they have read our first book the telephone the first book the first of white book by the russian foreign ministry useful. in their activities and i think that's where we are pretty much of the mystique that this second wave will not be condoned by those in the west who seriously and practically concerns about human rights situation but i mean the main goal of this report is to start investigation what happened with the first but what are the chances that carries the investigation what are the chances that the investigation will be started and even if it is started and what is your and goal

what he wanted she will do great in the they have reported several times that they have had the started investigation the sniper the sniper case so-called yes even in the huge massacre in a. new berlin some on some other or some other tragedies you know if you consider that there is a good tax on civilians but there was investigations made there. objective nor professional so definitely what is needed use the very significant international participation and there was of this even then a lot of those but you leave us to get off we see we have council of europe which has established the. respective groups. aimed at helping facilitating the investigation we have u m. internationally as well as it is not an easy path but i am a little just as a diplomat special it was up to as a as

a human being as an observer. interested observer absolutely called for the. quite a number of people will be brought to justice. this is it will happen at least where that culture style you take a short break right now where i'm going to take a break by well we're back we'll continue to talk to wolf question for i mean is just commissioner for human rights are there talk about who is responsible for the ongoing violence in rest of ukraine and if there's a chance to end the war stay with us. the. technology innovation all these developments

around russia. the future covered. in the crosshairs as israel appears to be preparing for still another assault on the gaza strip on this edition of cross talk we asked how it got to this point and what israel hopes to achieve. maybe. by the scene. where no one is with the guests that. is from. only. right. and i would think.

i. were back with guns thanks wolf russian foreign minister is commissioner for human rights talking about ukraine now you've mentioned the sniper case in the first part of the program why do you think they should have snipers and lie down hasn't. been resolved why hasn't it been investigated properly because they have been used by a certain political groupings of forces or for specifically political differences to rock the boat and they rocked the boat and they helped the cycle

situation will. change of power who. was there a bottle of the part of the machinery that's why people who are now with power even they perhaps are not so much interested in at least not yet in. disclosing. their tools and but once again. ultimately i'm sure it will be it will come to the surface so literally that and we will discover i mean we have the international community we will discover a very interesting facts but. violations go both sides there are human rights watch for example says that the self-defense forces are also in the abducting people attacking them some cases have been torturing them have you looked in these reports

as well well our reports use is focused on the most crimes and. most significant i would say violations of human rights and the principle of the rule of law and those violations have been committed so far primarily by the by the government forces by the extremists all those by tendencies of his bike illinois ski created by column whiskey by the right sector. we do not deny that certain certain. violations also might have been carried out by a by the way by the opposition forces or with school them. you know by people who are. who took up arms in the southeast. but you know this is the war this is the armed conflict by the way the human rights watch i think for the first time openly qualified. this is usually agreed as the internal

conflict and. it is important because we have been saying this for for a long time and not all. yes and the colleagues have the courage to admit this it means that geneva conventions a political it means that the laws of international mean there are a lot. of them but the short cuts to do stopping there were allegations he still sees violence is just a while and says to still be that the ration which is being waged and this is what the the believe declaration and the geneva agreements are about but you said number one in you say asiri that those responsible for this hideous crisis are mostly the right sector and they all the ones who are volunteer battalions from the west but these groups are these people aren't necessarily under the official camp's control so how fair is it to blame the official care for what these people are doing and.

the official as you say ukrainian authorities are still under the obligation to do design and disband the illegal armed forces from asians and the right sector is one of them. so now it's part of the next little girl you know. so the planes which have bowled me the administrative buildings and the residential quarters via under keeps control. and there are there is evidence we have that they have been interceptions of the or because of the over the commissions because the pilot said b. and b. and that the rate of you know. the tanks which are there a pretty much and they are with the ukrainian army they are pretty much on the key was control and they are being executing the orders we should be given by the ukrainian defense ministers officials you know and the officers if it means that large portion of responsibility. rests with key thought it is you know if the if

the extremists and you know knew enough he is operating in some cases outside gives control is just another. factor which necessitates. their disarming disbanding and bringing to justice the the the members of those of those formations the army of the the those who will those who will fight the civilians who kill civilians so then you know that the next question from the west would be who is responsible to call who would be the authority responsible to disarm the self-defense squads in a strange way well they're still defense forces in the in the ukraine definitely. because all eyes are looking at russia you know right up to the well russia is not a is not will first of all the president. has said more than once that we do not have control over those or over those there are forces we are not there as russia

you know they are fighting in the ukrainian territories territory first secondly i speaking about effective control so secondly definitely are. each used to be part of the old dissolution. if you read the. believe declaration it speaks about about stopping all violence and definitely leading down arms. and we'll let em as they're respected by both sides it is a supplier it is up to them if it is even is not respected them the only alternative is the agreement of the conflict what we see now as we speak is the aggravation of the conflict and. the huge increase in the number of civilian casualties so as minister lavrov said there are red and you know each and every day all of. day without cease fire brings more and more

casualties among the civilians because the most vulnerable people in the zone of conflict of the civilians well the u.s. state department spokesperson says that they reason this is for any crane didn't really work out just because the russians have not taken the steps needed it for at the end of to implement this is fire they were backed by president par shank a horse a set that russia is not fulfilling its promises what exactly is expected from russia the russians not once you get russia's other participant of the of this conflict we have sad and we are doing what we have pledged we are definitely. calling on the civil defense forces we have actually called on them to respect the first. and definitely they have been waylaid as unfortunately on both sides but you cannot compare the scale of those violations you know it is with.

military aircraft are being used. and they shoot you know indiscriminately this is a huge way of you know you cannot compare it to kalashnikov fire you know but but at the same time although anyway leif was bad but no no what it was the it was the part of the government of president bush of himself who actually. took. critical responsibility to to not to continue. this is fire and to resume and it's a rhetorician. so basically. this is. this is what happened and this is a fact which is difficult to deny. what we hear from the department of state well you know. if we handle it put it in this way we are no longer surprised pretty much way what we hear from that about this is very unfortunate we hold that we

still hold that the united states government will will. starts looking at the situation in a more realistic and constructive way and once again whatever we can do we are doing but. the ultimate responsibility for the. for reaching the ceasefire for stopping the the the. facilities rests with the kenyan government to give authorities and obviously if it is down then definitely we are confident that the defense forces will follow suit but it should be steady if you don't both science going to both sides thank god takes to just a follow up his deputy secretary of state actor and new line has sad that it's russia that is to blame for it they just hear aeration of the situation in eastern ukraine you know that. you know. she

also said at one point that she was distributing those you know cakes to everybody not just to your i'm a dumb activist but to to to to also to the militia personnel you know officers you know the. officers you know so differently knows better but. seriously speaking i think that it is crucial time for all concerned parties for all parties concerned i mean globally you know. for all parties concerned to. start serious efforts to influence both sides of the conflict to lay down arms to stoker's that it is and to start. to start a full fledged political process dialogue aimed at considerable reforms and aimed at finding compromises which will cater to everybody's interests and to the interests of the entire population of ukraine including south east i think this is

you know political games the praise for political games. is is there a way that you know and. you know when. small children are being killed on a daily basis i don't think that anyone of the united states any one irrespective of political. political views nobody wants this to happen i'm sure we can just say that they observers are praised jack to. terrorists why one day what's a find and they also say they were little children doll area is so much for well you see you know we have russia we have support it's always the mission whole happen and we continue to do so then i think this points of roughly fifteen russian forces of russian guys who are there are from one of those in the in the in the mission we think that they have a critically important meant it and if the hopefully build integration is.

implemented we see we'll have under the declination even greater role to play but. so far the only force right you are as well as the u.n. observer mission reports they have not been. they have not been. objective enough. they have become. months they have become a bit more complete a bit more but not completely complete sort of for the whole jihad also they are not they still come dome a lot of facts. facts all of a lesions of human rights by the extremists by the ultra nationalists and by the authorities by the by the ukrainian. army. we still do spirits the. issues which have nothing to do pretty much with the human

rights situation in ukraine so we have our problems we continue to have problems with it of course but i think. hopefully. we will also be more instrumental. in this situation. be the parties. to assist i think it's very important political rule which was used to play or be you have wanted to see a sense of al gore fresh and foreign ministry's sad commissioner for the human rights thank you very much for this insight because he has put a report together called wide book examining all of the human rights abuses that took place in ukraine for the past months we're talking about face human rights violations and what should be done with it that's it for this edition of sophie and co and we'll see you next time.

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