that to me plus ellen of course coming out made a big presentation to like look we're in these are normal people look at me i'm kind of an interaction is i'm not a lip stick lesbian i'm not masculine but i write in the middle you know all next on larry king now. welcome to larry king our special guest is linda berry the award winning singer songwriter producer and label since he's worked with some of the biggest sounds of music to christina i go where a pink alicia keys gwen stefani courtney love and celine dion to name just a few of many of them have been i guess ill will for linda took to making his brother i was she was the lead singer of four non blonds best remembered today for their astronomical success with the single what's up linda straw's in and is

executive producer of make or break the linda perry project which premiers whedon's day july sixteenth at ten o'clock eastern on v h one what is make or break for me music right now is missing a lot of heart it's missing that soul it's missing that spontaneous emotion that comes from like that perfectionism the thing that thing that makes music hearing about a little caring so to me it's like either we can make this you know let's make it or i'm going to break you to where you're not going you know i'm going to break you like you know what do i see visually well you're going to see me take these artists on kind of an emotional journey very scary punic i'm very aggressive i'm very honest i'm in your face and but there are i try to get you to break out emotionally and get past all the crap that goes on all the. stereotypes that we're

looking for fame perfume whatever focus on music and then once you have this breakthrough you'll see it in the show that once this person has acim motional thing that they bury there's this breakthrough in their voice in the song and their personality and it goes to this whole other level where it would be you get the tone for them. instead of doing a casting you know i just called friends that called friends and i went through my musician friends from new york to chicago los angeles everywhere i could think of you said that people think they know about the music business with they don't know . you you call the antidote to american idol it's not this and i'm not looking for an antidote for anything i'm just trying to share with people my process my process of songwriting comes from you know it comes from a very real place a place that when you watch american idol god bless it it's probably this awesome

experience that these people are having but it's not a real one those kids that are on that show would never would never be found out by a label a label would never go and go i want that kid you know they're not special enough they're being their lame they're singing cover songs they're they're not real musicians they're they're more being put out on the show because this person seems a little up so they're going to be good for t.v. that person we know we're going to dump them in the second you know episode and you know it's all planted out to where gay has like they are already know who their winner is you know larry what you're going to see is a real thing when v h one n one and to do this with me and i decided that i wanted to step out of the studio and and show myself and share my studio and again share this is just my opinion. well my opinion doesn't mean jack in the real world

you know this is a live pinion my process but i think it's a damn good one and i think people will be able to see a whole new way of where music comes from because right now all we're seeing is these magic curtains show up and or the spinning chair shows up and it's like you know is it really about music or is it about selling coca-cola is about the judges and their million dollar paychecks what is these shows actually about because what it's not about is about music and that's it grew close to due to. yeah the misunderstood album was the feud between the two you beef is that oh no right all right now you know i got a little cocky you know like yeah i did i got a little cocky with things because you know i went from my foreign on blondes and i you know we had one hit we were huge sold seven million records off a song awesome but i needed to do something else that wasn't my thing so i went off

and i ventured and made a couple albums to explore and then i decided you know i can write for other people and then i meet this girl that is calling me on my phone and and we make this great album she sells twelve million records yeah i got cocky i got a little ahead of myself and then worked well i think that i started feeling like maybe i got controlling with alicia and maybe felt that she should be doing things that you know like she came out with some albums and after the misunderstood record and i'm like what are you doing like you should still follow i got controlling so i broken up and then we we had a few and then she no didn't want me working with other people cause she wanted to claim me and it's just like you can't do that with somebody but now i love her i've always loved her i've always had massive respect for her i wait for the day she calls me again and says well you. work on

a record with me i'm waiting for that is your reputation for being tough they're totally following you out of i am tough as you broughton's tough on some or those of course it is i think it's tough on anybody i do try to do the best that i can but honesty is the best gift i was ever shown and i will always carry that and unfortunately honesty does hurt people because it hurts because the truth is when anybody comes to me and says something honest and i'm affected by and i like get angry it's because they're telling the truth they're telling the truth and i don't want to accept that so any time anybody gets upset by honesty it's because it's honest and it's truthful great successes elites in. the world who went through the roof well why the switch to producing. well for me it was a wonderful experience but it was

a limited one for me like i didn't see the you know like when you're in a band you have three other people you have to vote and i was just getting to know who i was as an artist and and then i didn't know when i signed up that meant i was signing up to be this for the rest of my life and that's just not who i am so we were working on the second record and was going to be a great one i wrote some really great songs but it wasn't me it wasn't i was feeling like i was writing for the band and to do this thing again and this is not my thing with us that have been disappointed of course of course they were the label the manager ever did was they thought i was crazy for leaving that leaving the band at such a successful time but i'm not afraid i'm not afraid to make those kind of leaps so who are you are you a singer songwriter a producer who's linda perry. i'm an artist i.

feel like a producer probably is the best thing for me because i produce just you know i'll do events i'm producing events i also see people on the street i try to produce them like i try to be of service the best are going to call it on yeah i'm control. almost caught me and told me look hold key to any successful work that is the producer if that's true. what makes a good producer i believe what makes a great producer is someone who will listen who's not coming in with ego you can have confidence but not ego no agenda yeah you know to make the greatest album for this person were you're able to step aside when you're not needed and to apply an awesome creative hand when you are and to be honest to keep

people in their character like when you see them swaying off of like. the character they need to be for this particular song you're like a director you bring them back in agreement your character for this is this is a common thread that runs through all the it's own. this is a question i honestly i don't know i believe it or you know it when you hear it i think a hit is just something like i think i've written lot of hits that didn't hit for other people. to me who really is a hit for looking at the success of of the nation from radio from people or can we find that success within ourselves when you write a song or two yourself you know out of it oh my god i've every song to me is a hit for me because it's an emotional hit but the thread jesus i don't know that's a tough one what about some of your contemporaries for role don't do much more of

you hold them i believe that we all have our own process and they each have found what works for them and i think you know anybody who can have a career making music i hold them in the highest regard now the museum has been turned on its head mission years the whole change the rise of streaming services like spotify does it bother you. well where is it going will we can have a situation like pandora where pandora played my song beautiful by christina aguilera saying they played it i believe i could be over shooting this but somewhere around twelve million times and i got three hundred dollars so stuff like that this is the to me because that that's my thing and you know that

i deserve to be taken care of for that as little change that it will that's the screwed up part it you know greed got us to this point you know a long time ago the labels had an opportunity to protect these situations but you know what they didn't want to spend the money to do it so now everybody's losing based on their you know selfish greed and but you know it all turn back around it goes around comes with it all comes back i'm not i don't get afraid. more to a singles market. well if they stop making ok they stop signing good artists the you know that were credible that could sustain a career they started just going for the microwave popcorn the one song of the album but you know and again getting very greedy with you know let's focus on this and let's get the best of this and this and this and that and then forgot that what

i actually like your pants are going to stay up without your suspenders right you need your shirt and you're tied to a creature whole look well what happened is they stopped realizing that an album helps actually sell i mean the album tracks help sell and collaborate with the single because if you just have a single on your own nowadays we can scroll down nicknaming bad bad bad bad this song's ok ok i'll just buy this one and this one now when you have a collaboration of music they'll buy the whole album adele she she made a great album that her album didn't have a problem did it but for some reason the labels run around saying there's a problem people aren't buying records no they're not buying your records because you're making ones now and put out some really good records and people will buy them that's it and sign some bands that will have

a career ten years from now the next segment we'll try to do all that. and we'll discuss being out as a musician does of the third record sales we'll talk about that and lose reason to suppose goldberg very. sorry larry i swear i like that.

thank. you. thank you thank. you.

thank you thank you thank. you thank you. i guess linda perry may go break the linda perry project premier's wednesday july sixteenth at ten eastern on v h one you marry someone i know pretty good sarah go because i've been on the talk yeah i'm season out of that contre to meet out of that up i'm sorry i met. through my yoga instructor she is my yoga instructor and best friend and i just found her fascinating and i brain is extremely interesting to me because she's so smart but has a lot of common sense and such a good hearted person and so we just have this connection and then a year later we started seeing each other and it she by far

is the best decision i've ever hands down made because she she grounds me she i feel better with her like i feel smarter with her i feel more confident and she comes she's my family like she you know. i just feel like family with her and i feel lucky like i feel that she's brought luck into my life and. public opinion has changed. i'm shocked that it didn't come sooner you know like it's you know i think that it's awesome now like all this like you don't know what may be a him no i don't really you just have the vacillating it just it did to show but you know ellen of course coming out made

a big you know presentation to like look we're human these are normal people but i do believe the stereotype like you know like i'm gay i don't look like a softball player or a coach you know i mean like and i'm not like some big bull dyke you know but they're out there but you know look at me i'm kind of and then draw janice i'm not a lipstick lesbian i'm not masculine but i write in the middle you know because of the music business would hope an artist to say. i don't think it helps or not helps people i believe that. you know right now we're pretty and again it might go the opposite direction now now it might be like too much emphasis on like you know do you think gays going to help you be the volleyball valvano it's like how about we just be how about i like shit you like chicks he likes.

you know whatever she likes and can it just be that have if we just be that we're on a you're on the way to a bit of both appear that way and that's basically where we're going to changes we're just going to end up on it just doesn't matter but it's great that we're here right now that it can actually possibly you always. yes i've always been out. i have to i have a funny story because this will kind of sum it all up i did a real enemy for an ambulance and and so we go on the show and i have on my guitar it's my guitar it says dyke and it says choice this was probably ninety three maybe ninety two ninety three and so we're doing our rehearsal and then this woman comes out and she's like do you mind listen there's this great fin to store and we are a lot of people love you will buy you whatever guitar you want and we're thinking that maybe the statement on your guitars a little much and i'm like well which one dyke are choice and she's like the first

one and i'm like well i'm not going to change my guitar and if my guitar camp play then i can't play because i didn't do this for a statement this is just who i am and then she's like ok i'll be right back and then she comes back she's like ok everything's fine and then i'm thinking oh they're going to pan out like a million miles away from me and nominating got to be on the show my voices will sure enough the show starts right on my guitar right it goes right on i mean close up of the guitar rotor choice right over dike right up to my face and there's the show is that they did discuss it no they just want to know we just played on that but they just it's it's they were used to you know pushing for what they want and when i said no it wasn't a big deal and that basically sums up life we push people to get what we want and

when someone pushes back and says no then everything's fine so. much of a home or because of musicians totally. you think will could come out no i encourage people to be who they are because to me how can you walk and and how can you be an artist or an actor or a painter or whatever or a human being if you're hiding all the time how can you have a judgment with other people when you yourself are judging in my show i tell these kids the only judges that are going to show up here are the ones you brought with you there is no judge on my show except the ones that are inside ourselves you toured with the who aerosmith prince neil young pearl jam who's the wildest the wildest. i think the funniest little guy it was prince for me. because he just he's corky that guy he's themself

yeah he's very himself neil young. just i wanted to pick up a car every time i saw him like and he just gave me power aerosmith steven and steven is the wildest steven and they go he's the wildest was there was song you wrote to a producer that you thought is miss and it missed there was a song for four on blondes that i wrote called spaceman that i thought was a huge hit it was so pretty and and so moving and what was so big it didn't leave any room for anybody else to show up to the party. we have some social media questions david pushing ninety one tweets what are your songwriting habits or quirks my habits are that i really i'm getting too much in the habit of like when i sit i have a piano or i pick up

a guitar i don't know what happens but this it just becomes like. like it all shows up at the same time the song the the the chords the melody the song the lyrics i just ad lib and i get so in the habit of being in that mode that when someone else is around i can completely forget all about them and i forget to to engage with the artist like because i just go into my own little world it becomes a habit. to once an overview think ill of a work with think again i i do think i'm going to work with thomas say that i hope like i said one day she will call me but i think it's going to happen on will tell him twenty two tweets what's the deal with your tears to my best friend and i have twenty years always lived next to each other and he was moving to new york

and i was moving to los angeles and i was on t.v. when i was in san francisco sorry so we are both in san francisco he had tattooed a tear because i was on tour for like a year and a half and that was for me and so when i saw that i was like oh my god so then when we were moving he was moving new york i'm moving to l.a. i said tattoo it's here on my face because i can't believe i'm not going to be able to see you every single morning so he tattoos the tears by hand that night we cry we drink wine i leave he leaves and literally three weeks to a month later he shows up knocking on my door you know. just like i didn't like new york and i'm like wait a minute i got this prison to add to it was off i mean it's one of my favorite tattoos. had to do you wish you had more success with your performing career as opposed to songwriting and producing oh no i'm i'm on the right train i'm exactly where i'm supposed to be we finish this game called if you only. lose the first

person you have a kissed. this george george howell you i was probably fifteen was city san diego fifteen yet long time yeah did you know the things weren't right would boy girl get. drugs didn't work no no it was funny what happened to george no no actually like george do you have a guilty pleasure i do i love popcorn but it's not really a guilty pleasure but i just eat it all the time what are you afraid of i'm afraid of people not getting on the same boat with the way i think. which are to success combat zones you. larry that's a long list that can even go into the. pub favorite summers top time carole king birch america rack you see her show in new york and i have not

seen this beautiful it's called beautiful. burt bacharach. i love this girl bat for lashes see. and do other person i don't know john in bed what's on your bucket list i don't have one if you weren't a musician what would you be i'd be great at anything i did you stand there on a desert island what three things do you have with you you probably need anything now i would say ira i would say sarah say i can't take sarah without the whole family. on guitar and a good attitude what are you most proud of. right now i live on the moment right now at this moment as my must cross moment this piece of advice you ever got if it's not a yes it's

a no. tell me something people don't know about you i'm extremely humble i'm extremely caring and i have so much love to offer and honestly the only thing i want to do on this planet is to be of service that's why i'm here and your delight thank you very much linda perry and make sure you watch make or break the linda perry project at premier july sixteenth ten pm on v h one remember you can find me on twitter rick james things to see the next time. on marinate in the financial world. series to moments cannot stop to see them funny take no demand for credit not going to get any economic benefit in life

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