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want to do one war robs you of your childhood my guest today lost his mother in the fighting in sudan and became a soldier at the age of seven the kindness of strangers and music helped him overcome his childhood steeped in extreme violence. all famous hip hop artists and he is here today to share his extraordinary life story with this. there are three hundred thousand child soldiers in the world most of them are fighting in africa a. drug war deprived of families forced to kill. children good soldiers. an escape such

a feat and what happens if they do. emanuel joel child soldier turned hip hop artists welcome it's great to have you on our show today i just want to go back and remind our viewers where you started you were only about seven years old when your mother was killed in a second sudanese civil war then you became a child soldier and were told that a k forty seven would be your only parent that it would be taking care of you from now on this is how you really felt that your life depended on this weapon to survive. well less well more so when you're in a training center you actually train to be told the gun is your father and your mother so your life depend on on it and so. it's it's a it's a situation where people get transform and good brainwashed to. to do whatever i do and of that you are being trained to focus so the cause become more powerful than

you believe in because you're told even if your father is against this cause you can kill him. now another thing that you have said is that the children who joined the rebels they wanted to revenge did you at that age understand what revenge was. well i didn't understand. what revenge was then but now i can put it into the words i was really angry as a kid you see when you lost everything you own and. everything that is your world disappear in front of you then your toe your mother is gone and then because the war itself. different people experience it differently and now when you're told that people are destroying your home there is such a surge of police and you're given a description you don't need to think twice so you want to act out of their emotions at that moment. going to war and becoming a soldier i just wonder what it's like for a kid after talk to

a man who joined the army in world war two at the age of twelve i've just talked to him recently now what he was telling me is that for him it was never an adventure and a thrill more than anything else what was it like for you was it again oh a least at first. well children don't or you only die once so you can live don't understand or you don't know when you die it so a death moment you're taken by adrenaline you want to know what's going on but for me my desire and i wanted to kill as many muslims and arabs as forcible this was one second i wanted a bike. well is that children out don't know that he only die once and that's because they're actually fearless state don't know where it's about but did you ever fear that you were going to be killed did you think about that. yes sometimes

you know. the thing that i didn't warn was i didn't want to get shot in my i don't my leg broken i actually prefer to die than to be injured because i've seen people who have been injured how they cry. and so in like a kid you know it's like in your head you choose where would i be shocked so on of the show where this meat will not break in my bone not my i know of my own heart and my leg so you for do you know that's how you think as a child in the real war and it happen the bullet. depan whichever place it's aim it doesn't care where to shoot have you ever been one dead i've been wounded definitely but not a gun. well this one thing is sad actually mark me just wanting a bicycle now when the army was recruiting q did they give you any incentives did they tell you like if you take

a gun and kill people that will give you something in return for example a bicycle or were you just doing it for free where are you getting any it warrant whatsoever for what you are doing you know those nori awards or suchlike somewhere to being paid for doing something you know the country has been destroyed people are fighting for their survival so and you could see from the art of that there's something you know when you go to a house and you attack the people in the house and that children that they'll try to join in fighting. but now this is not the villagers this is like the whole community this is all tribe uniting again it's. a force that want to wipe them out as we do not know that they want to wipe us out we don't know what was the reason for the war in fact when when the war happened i caught the world was ending because my mother here tells me a we're all the children of god and one day the world is going to end and people are going to turn and it's our and so you look at it as

a child you just get confused with different messages. and so i didn't really understand what was going on but now i have an idea of what actually was happening . when you were at the camp what were you told were told why you were fighting were you trained at all or you were just given guns and told go and shoot i'm sure you were trained in the come it was a difficult trainings six straight months. first time warner stepping in the cam it was a violent entrance so were they on bush to us and we were beaten so people were running you drop your back you actually forget yourself so it's like a separate ing us from being loving w when we're coming we're singing songs holding hands with this guys are hiding in the bush and they just started whipping us beating and i was really angry that time i said the first person i will shoot when i finish training will be my trainer or look for the people of beating us because

you don't understand why they just beaten you for no reason so there was scaring you sit down get up you look behind someone to slap your kick you for no reason you can't talk you can do anything he was an exciting to be trained it was terrifying because i'm children haven't died in the training. did you ever go back to see your trainers after you graduated and never. i can't even remember any of them not a mile tell me a little bit about this fighting itself weren't there actual battles or were there are more like raids those bottles and depend where. and how your i want to explain it so there's different grades this being invaded where you are on this when you're tekken going to a bottle feel but did the other side also use children soldiers. yes

sometime they do you know they depend of the government was more of them aren't they hard child soldiers only in the malicious no malicious. but in their are chill on in behalf of the real trained soldiers that fight because they're getting paid. they have a salary. you know i spoke to a british mercenary who also fight in africa when he was younger salman man i don't know if you've heard of them and he told me that he viewed child soldiers just like any other soldiers you know what you were fighting did you feel your enemies or like just normal soldiers so you the same way despite your age well you're just trained to fight if it's the same enemy that's your enemy and for a child soldiers are the worse they're very sensitive you know they come and the reason why they like using child soldiers is because. they don't have plants

they don't have children so they don't know our idea of the future so they can actually scream and go forward and mostly they're very brave sometime the worst thing you surveyed really get terrified it's hard to convince them to to try to. do you remember the first time you killed someone. own say like i actually did one remember me killing somebody myself but i was in an octave situation where we did move justice on the other people just i mean it was a bullet that shook the person. did you think about what was going on at that moment or was just like too much of an adrenaline rush and you had no time to stop and analyze. if you get scared before you want to go to toilet several times your throats dry you know

your stomach your body scheck's you know so many things happened so many thing goes on in your have a bad moment you go silent you want in the world you know sometimes like your legs can move but after the battle begins you know the rhythm of the gun itself it's it goes with the flow it takes you over. now to battlefields a musical you know when there is war it's very musical when ian does not come home . it's like that sounds of the guns it's like they slow the reason especially if you verify your vest sometime your gun even you can't even hear the sound of your gun you know so maybe when it's shocking you know when you're into it so much you know and then the other thing is when what the other experiences when you're not in

the battlefield when you're sleeping and other people are fighting it's like you know when the bullets to stop because it's like dark dark dark woman that abduct backpack out of a car bomb so it's it's almost like there's a beat the little and then you just see a boom the big sound is like a bass so you just warn the explosion to continue in the sounds but is this something that you actually wherein you and that helped you in your music later on that rhythmic sounds and the feeling of the rhythm they experienced during the war and no actually i became i'm doing what i'm doing not because i planned it i think it's something that process and it's accidental was unplanned . amanda we are going to take a short break right now now when we come back we're going to continue to talk to my knowledge all hip hop star right now who grew up as

a child soldier in sudan and we'll talk more about how he escaped from the war and how he became a pop singer stay with us. history is never really dead as long as it's with us the start of the first world war one hundred years ago is a case in point in numerous ways the beginning and conclusion of that conflict shapes our world today. right the same. search string. and i think that you're.

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there's a media leave us so we leave the media. by the sea pushing security for your party there's a vote. for shoes that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers from it's all on politicking only on our t.v. . now we're back with emanuel jale a hip hop artists who was a soldier rain his childhood fighting in the sudanese civil war. now i know that young children not even teenagers but really young like seven or eight like you where are still uses soldiers in africa looking back do you feel like children make

good fighters they're sad to be more cool or cruel than the grownups that there's nothing more dangerous than a kid with a rifle would you agree with that. there because they don't thanks to our second small uneven idle costs next to them they think that person was not there gun you don't negotiate with a child soldier if they tell you stop you have to stop if you try to talk too much ensued talk and then shoot you. now i guess when you guys were taken to those camps and you were taken away from your families the only thing that you had as a child or did you make any close friends when you were in a camp or when you were fighting yeah i had a lot of childhood friends and you know you're told to be brothers skippers so your fellow soldiers your brother you know and because you will both of you only got

each other so when the battlefield happened you could be injured and your fellow soldier will come cry to you there's no hard feelings you can't afford to hate any and you feel good because when you're in the same place because when the war happened then you know you can be hurt. and also if you're going to leave your fellow soul you in danger and you're not a good person they can actually shoot you because they don't want to die right themselves. or if they're really nice and they like you they can actually give you a cover for you to skip if they're injured so they have to be nice to each other what would happen to the kids who would refuse to take part in training in fighting they get punished or if you try to skip i'm going to see you're from remember us they know where you're from members are and they're going to set cars from your home now for you i mean it will be fair to say that you yourself chose to

stop what was the turning point when you gave the soldiers camp how did you manage that well actually i didn't plan an escape it was planned by artists and i just joined them and it was a difficult journey because in the way a lot of people died. maven one of my friend was dying and come you will ism started i was tempted to eat my friend actually because my senses change and those one of the lowest points and then i arrived in place called the wort where i was rescued by british aid worker or smuggled me to kenya well we're going to get in a second but i just really want to know what was that turning point that made you escape made you say to yourself that say i need to go yeah. because i'm glad and so even when i ask one of the guys say to him we've been planning it for

a while we can tell you because you have a big mouth and you're going to get us in trouble so it's because i ended up going with them i realized there were a skipping later on because i thought it's just a normal way of going to one place where we're going to deliver. i'm in mission of support or check up you go injured or just going for patrol somewhere so he didn't know you were going you walked literally a class the whole country. and you said some of you people who were actually moving with you died how did you manage to survive well this was difficult i actually i probably knew after six hours of exam events when i was able to know actually escaping so i survived waiting on snails vultures anything that we could find in the january days we started to eat the roots of the trees the plantation other people got poisoned was a difficult difficult journey also d.-i direction people died of d.n.a.

durations so i'll say that i was lucky that i survived but i kept myself positive that tomorrow's going to come where between two to four hundred young people mix with other dogs and only sixteen people survive the journey. and now we come to emma mccune a british aid worker who actually saved you how did you come across or and most importantly why did you trust her. what i want to happen is ended up in a place called a watch. and she and her friend decided to do me and then promise me to take me to school and i always wanted to go to school but in my mommy's i had a different plans i said i'm going to go to this lady's country and go to school join me become a pilot and still a plane and come back toward that's what i had in my head but everything changed

later so it was all about the bicycle school and an airplane it. you know when you're trained into that as a child so it took a while a long of transformation. well unfortunately am i died soon after that in a car crash and you know there was no one else to take care of you what did you do after that i was lucky our family members took it and that's different people can possibly and life became really difficult so this is where the music came and took an opportunity and this is where i was able to to hear myself because i used to have a lot of nightmares i wouldn't focus on them and get kicked out of school so music became the painkiller and of the for me at that time and then i happened to me kenyan woman called mrs moon was actually help me out in my process when i became

a musician size for can more focus and doing what i'm doing up to now. he also talked a lot about the feeling of guilt that you experience and other interviewees but looking back do you really have a choice and on the adults that got you involved there more responsibility well sometimes when you see so much problems happening you see have a body suffering. it's hard to actually blend audience because there are dying you see everything is happening so and you all know well all in it together we're in this boat we're dying all together we mass work together try to get us out of it that's the mind concept. the only time i can really get angry and feel betrayed is actually what is happening in south sudan when the very people who say they are fighting for an independent to swallow the freedom that we we we suffered for. us only if things that make you really feel betrayed because now you

had a government that want to stay in power and arresting people who are. founding fathers of the organization that wanted to transform the country to be accountable and transparent and the president decided to stick their tried to find an opportunity to terminate his political opponent and other countries in civil war you just heard like a couple days ago where the police in. the prison guards dress in uniform in remove the uniform and entered a u.n. compound to kill women and children will happen to be under the guiding of the u.n. and now you see like this hatred this bitterness fighting not because of no targeting killing the killing is on ethnic lines. i know right now from

in kill one ethnic group the rebels go in and some of them were not control goes into other events so it's terrifying. but emmanuel sank slowly right now you are a very successful hip hop artist your path your rap is political it's all about sending a message out there you sing about peace using people to speak up for their rights naji theel your message is getting across i mean i know that it has lended you in trouble before and now for example last september when you went back to south sudan you were brutally beaten by police. you have the voice is going on so the police beat me because they know the strengths of my voice so they're trying to silence me and later on when they don't like the activists they do move their eyes and put them in the box and drop them in the mire and so so they're trying to scare me not to talk but i didn't keep quiet i kept doing my thing because i know why i

am in this to speak full voice you know pushing for justice and equality for freedom. for everybody through the music just creating awareness so what i do is mostly for conscious aware. getting people to understand they have the power to actually change things not the government. emanuel sank you so much for this mess mariah saying inside into a life child soldier i wish you all the best in getting your voice across the whole world and to everyone and to stop being a child soldier. recruited in the future thanks a lot for this interview we're talking to a man old jar forward child soldier and world famous rapper right now we're talking about the horrors of being a child soldier and how it could be stopped thanks for being less the same for sophie and co we'll see you next time.

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