morning g.'s to be really crazy and shocking but not too crazy and shocking hey i don't have a horse in this race i actually think the opie and anthony show is pretty dismal but when i see someone getting fired for wacky shock jock stuff that is in a way kind of part of his job well just seems very hypocritical to me but that's just my opinion. well not talking about language at all but i will only react to situations i have read the reports but i'm not opposed to the no i will leave them to stapling a comment on your latter point i'm going to say it's secure yet a car is on the docket no. thank you no more weasel words. when you need a direct question be prepared for a change when you're done you should be ready for a. pretty tough speech and a little down to fit into class. when

i grew up. demeans a forest on. my playground. i knew it intimately. people say that for just for a. forests. there's music in the forest. music is in the tree. when you cut down

a street stream making a thousand each i was. all that means is that trees seen in a thousand different places.

you know. greenpeace has been campaigning on forest issues around the planet for a long time and when we came into alaska we were willing to get arrested for our cause. the option at this point is for folks to leave the longer you stay the higher degree of law enforcement it of that will just thirty three million of them . so when we showed up in southeast alaska formally as and with

a gigantic ship that said greenpeace on it with a rainbow certainly nyssa polity is in certain power players were very hostile to us. this many reasons to want to protect the southeast alaska. these are ancient forest that have been evolving for thousands of years and they're being clear cut. clear coating is the practice of taking every single tree. so what is left is stumps for as far as the eye can see. the majority of logging over the last five or six years actually takes place on private lands. most of it native corporate lands. and the majority of that caught has actually been see alaska logging corporation.

but. i had no use for greenpeace but i am familiar with greenpeace from my whaling days and they didn't have the greatest reputation with indigenous people. i think. they were found not necessarily a confrontational relationship but it's it's had its ten small months with with greenpeace. a clear cut. they will justify why they clear cut but that's what they do that's what we're trying to stop.

our relationship to the land and our relationship our cultural value says that we review and but we also utilise the land. they won't listen to me unfortunately they wouldn't listen to me. and so greenpeace decided to send a year a true document taking crews cutting. what products are made from these species. and lo and behold we noticed a very sliver of the supply going to very famous musical instrument manufacturers.

well these are just bruce tops they're very light they're still going strong. make the fantastic soundboard guitars. i've been making guitars for thirty five years and ten years into it i realized that i was going to see the disappearance of some species of would happen in my lifetime. the sixth generation chairman and c.e.o. of my family's business the martin guitar company. this is a d forty five and what's amazing to me we've got ninety one of these are the world works through my grandfather would have been involved in the manufacture of this not only do we have one but two i've never been in the same room with two printers

martin d forty five at the same time adirondack spruce top brazilian rosewood back and science the top of our line this one is nice if you happen to know of. one hundred sixty five thousand dollars in your wallet. guitar builders chose the woods they chose before my family got in the business of making guitars those woods were then extremely exotic on imagine trying to get ebony from africa and rosewood from brazil but no one has since found any better woods. they nailed it. the great woods that that are the terrorists are made out of we have to ensure that that wood is available so that we can continue to to offer people a great musical instrument. one of our historic and most

successful gibson acoustics ever is a j two hundred it's just got a unique sound but beautiful safe because spruce top is as you can see just gorgeous and you can you can hear the tonality of it as i as i lightly tap it's just beautiful. prior to us convening the initial meeting i think they all thought as a crazy person. you know jokingly i remember saying to them we're not going to ram a boat into a tree are you was i a member of greenpeace you know no i mean as a sort of doing my saying you know i've got stained hands i use this word we all do it i want greenpeace showing up on one front or no but i came and i met these people ok so we'll try. and use of this.

sure there is shit. as you feel whole year old construct. this. they said well we've taken a look at what's going on in alaska and based on the rate that they're cutting these big trees if they don't stop and take a deep breath and think about this they're going to cut the last tree in our lifetime. and that caught me up i mean what they asked was would we be willing to form a coalition to help the talk was a native american corporation which we had no idea existed. in this corporations called c alaska where you gauge to see if we can. get. out of those. they said would you mind helping to try and at least have everyone sit around and talk about slowing down the rate of harvesting this clear cutting

that's going on before it is too late this is about making the business survive. scheduled a one week vote of the entire southeast alaska region. my boss came to me and said hey nick we have this opportunity we've been working with the music would coalition and they're actually going to go as a group up to see would you mind going for me you'd have to spend a week in alaska and i said well i guess i could suffer through that if you really need me to. and when i realized who i was with and the conditions they were going to be and i

was pretty overwhelmed frankly. i was with a bunch of competitors sailing around the tongass national forest and i was concerned about how they might act towards me. we saw some pristine uncut force there the biggest trees i had ever seen there's kind of a wow factor to that. there's a beautiful trees up there the you could build out and say a prayer underneath. and probably shed a tear while you're doing it. but these guitars are made up of a tree too and so now that's beautiful and. there has to be a win win in there and that's the trick. yeah i just had a whole new appreciation for for nature and what it what did.

you see alaska folks have there. so. it's like you know when the bullets to stop. because it's like duck duck duck duck the backpack that cock up. so it's it's almost like there's a beat the blue and then you just feel the big sound it's like a bass. it was a. very hard to take out. once again on a line that never had sex with me there are no plans.

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in the tongass national forest is the largest national forest the united states. has the largest on fragmented walk. in there first temperate rainforest left in the world. i'd say arguably it's one of the most important if not the most important national forests. these trees have a real value ecological value in the ecosystem services they provide. they are very important for a lot of wildlife species for things like water habitat and salmon reproduction.

that biodiversity is is priceless it's disappeared from so many places on the planet. these big trees here are said to spruce and they're probably between three to six hundred years old and they can't easily be recreated. the really big trees the really large spruce stands like this that were really targeted by logging only a small fraction of those are left. if you can imagine entire landscape like this being logged the scale is immense.

the first impression i had was i don't know what these environmental us are talking about because all i see is trees trees and trees and trees and trees and then we went out of bed and all i saw was trees cut down as far as the eye could see. and you realize oh. you could really cut those trees down it's possible. but i inquire well how long did it take to harvest this section that's as vast as could be all five years like wow just a huge impact on all of us we just kind of sat there with our jaws open. all it was was a little bit of green grass and mud and

a bunch of stumps things and pieces that were kind of cut. i had never seen clear cutting anywhere before and the next question i asked myself was why would somebody do that. we need to convince the sea alaska board of directors not implementing sustainability program because that could easily supply our industry with wood for the foreseeable future. so after seeing the effects of clear cutting boy i mean we were just convinced that we really had to take a stand. my god. this isn't.

easy. we want to carry the rooms we want everyone to know. that this is our. brand think it's our industry first approached us we weren't too certain what they were all about. we got acquainted with the coasts and wanted to help regulate how we were logged. and. just i could not see past them. if i own a home. then nobody outside my home should come in and tell me well this is this is the way you'd better run your house you know. it was kind of like we were here to find out why you're clear cutting i think how we were perceived and maybe we

actually felt a little bit that way so the questions came out about will help us understand why you clear cut. steel ask louis all over and helicopters for us to understand their forestry operations for you to fly down the challenge straight away to dry ground good. food is the stewardship there why this life that here. that thing this different here in southeast alaska as compared to other for us is. this region was largely undeveloped.

it's not a deforestation thing it's here it is a harvest thing it is changing the ecology. we use clear cut laws because it's cost efficient it's just that the in terms of recovery of all you know. we can take more volume out and have it be all be economic we have a responsibility to provide some sort of economic support for our communities and it has affected our forest management harvest and our harvest. we use words like harvesting but i prefer to view it as mining because i believe that in order to harvest something you have to have been engaged in growing it.

i don't believe that you're harvesting trees. by definition that are grown for eight hundred years because nobody gave you don't. you have anything to do with that. this is something that i really think we need to talk about for guitar would. be the fractious affair crowd chambre harvest in southeast is something we're going to have to do and i'm just going to say that on a corporate link. the economics there's a whole bunch on wall street that's just so that is a management issue and. when we i'm going to show you a fannie study pixel he said he'd look at it from our point of view to create. to make a guitar top we need a three hundred fifty year old six per street so it might behoove you to think about saving some of those trees so that we can see to use those many years in the

future because the trees really valuable to us. you can't uncut those trees. can always come back and cuddle which can uncover. this is all about relationship building on all sides three different cultures coming together environmental culture in the business culture and the theological perspective. so the relationship because evolved from inch by inch and a kind of culminated and celebration which the last corporation. organizes and runs saying can't hide the same c.n.n. . people of the land welcome to celebration we have

some special guests among us almost every guitar has a seal as spruce on the top and these people came a long ways at our invitation bob taylor taylor guitar i have a taylor guitar martin guitar i hear great things about this guitar. it's got tall someplace thank you for being here and if we had the time we'd ask for a little concert but i'm not so sure that we have the time. we look forward to reconnect with our i and sisters and celebrating who we are as playing get hired and since yeah and.

you have to remember that our people were brutally forced to assimilate to western culture. people like myself or adopted kidnapped from our homes and put into schools where we would learn the american way the capitalist way.

you know people were suffering and. there was great hope around the development activities and corporations. and i'm not going to deny that we didn't want to make profits we wanted to make profits. but i would say we've never had you know complete. you know decision among our people. i have never seen any money returned to this economy. though through town harry there's no economy being developed it's strictly a resource extraction. and liquidation. so wasn't for

us seeking out and may be unclear and sand. everywhere on spanish. they don't have to rely on that. but do they care that we i don't believe so because they're going to be taking all the temblor that supports all spam and. joining the corporation shouldn't be confused with. being part of a culture. it's outrageous sale have any real core values i mean whether it's that is to say are going to go trim down the whole country i mean and then watch. the forest i grew up with this and there are going to be there again. my children will never be able to

experience it. as expect to live burglars are ok we're going to cut so some of our trees but we're going to make sure that we rebuild our land back to something like oil one. we haven't been able to do that. the people learning to control. the different venues that we're see from seal outskirts certainly nothing that. provides me with a living room. when i have now almost like. we see twenty three thousand acres. for soloists and bricks or higher. to see that it hurts.

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