dr patrick soon strong we are closer now than ever in the history of cancer to understanding what's causing it and how we can actually catch it stop it we've built this now and launch it this week who will see the clinical operating system that actually link any medical records anywhere but this is very difficult for blind people to see there's no braille on money so the opportunity then to say one dollar not rapidly and it over will still to one dollar consent to know you're able to blind to see plus and i'm excited to say we now have patients who've been steady pancreatic cancer still free of disease find out that that was impossible yeah that's that's what makes me excited about things when people say i think that's impossible all next on larry king now.

welcome to larry king now still fighting aside this is but getting that there are a lot of words that apply to today's guest surgeon drug designer entrepreneur philanthropist innovative visionary with his company works doctors should has dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to developing technology designed to personalize streamline and improve our quality of health care in a city full of highly successful people dr pat carries an enviable support of he's the richest man in los angeles is that when you hear that there is that flatter you or i mean you feel when you hear that. solely. it is what it is yeah because that's not what i don't think that's what defines me i mean it's not about being the richest man or i think they said i was the best basketball player i'd like but. it was only through your recent work with kids that care cording to

your website gentleman that now this is that used to take a living weeks and takes forty seven seconds. genomic analysis explain this well i think you know what we now have been able to do as a result of president clinton funding the human genome project we can now take tissue from a cancer patient and analyze the genes it's twenty two thousand of them three billion bases in your human body and to find what's causing this cancer and actually what's driving the tumor we know that we know when and how to treat the tumor so that's a major breakthrough the problem is we need to know that information before you start the treatment so now you have a disconnect because if you're going to live in weeks before you can get that answer and you've got ten thousand patients a day you need to build a supercomputer you can do that in seconds and have the data before you actually start to trim far away is we've actually we're doing it we're doing it real time as

we speak we're doing a thousand genomes a month right now so we made this breakthrough we built a supercomputer to connect to the united states and we just announced yesterday with president clinton you know makes america. where now we'll be able to collect this information in real time. and be able to isolate the information to make a clinical decision before treatment because you simply put this means that you find out what the treatment will be much faster than you knew before you find it really doesn't wait not only what the treatment is you actually have now some insight into the cause and you have insight into what's driving it and so you can now quantitatively and predictably make some decisions as genome no the cause because the gene it's like people in tied to the both the genes tied to the protein so as the gene actually gets abnormal mutated it actually makes an abnormal protein

and a protein and drives actually the cell to cause it to spread and so if you don't know the gene and you know the protein you then you know the drug what what is your specialty your doctor you you raised it learn your medicine to south africa right yeah i grew up in south africa i was very young when i was twenty three years old came to this country. to actually went to canada got a master's in science came to u.c.l.a. became a full surgeon. at u.c.l.a. . joined a got a grant from nasa as part of the nasa space shuttle science program. i'm also exact director while health institute at u.c.l.a. so i we all these different how we use a surgeon general surgeon i was a pancras transplant surgeon and i was a cancer surgeon i was a general question just style surgeon but really. i wanted to take on the challenge of the bankers which is what is your specialty called i should. i think that's my

problem i think there's no box and i don't look at life in in these little boxes these siloed boxes in these labels at the end of the day i consider myself a scientist looking at the wonders of biology of matters of your body and trying to figure out how we can actually improve health is uncovered just so i've interviewed almost every type of specialist in ontology must be the hardest because you dealing with so many people who you know are dying oh what is that very hard you know in especially in children so you know one of my earliest decision was i was going to become a pediatrician and i decided i just couldn't do it because it's very difficult especially with a young child and the family member to be able to tell them that your child is going to die so they go there are cured we are close and ever in the history of cancer to understanding what's causing it and how we can actually catch and stop it

and i talk about it this way never before. have we ever been at the point where we can touch and feel the cancer cell at the atom over level i know that sounds technically and geek but it's true we've never been able to interrogate this dance of proteins it's happening inside the cancer cell causing it to be cancerous. in real time at the concentration of the protein that's effective in the cell from the blood we've now be lived to isolate the cancer cells from the blood and interrogated which means now we're going to treat it like infectious disease we can cure staphylococcus infection we can actually now go after this cancerous on try and understand what it's doing. and stop it or it all cancer is different well that's the the whole dogma about being in a box you have a breast cancer specialist and lung cancer specialist it turns out this and i mean is a fiction of a limitation of information

a breast cancer lung cancer patient actually could be the same cancer based on the different same proteomic profile so the two may have gone into this abnormal dance and you had to have been able to hand him a lot more the breast it's the same cancer so one of my challenges we need to break this dog now and with the classification of cancer is nothing to do with it's anatomical type but to do with it's pretty you know proteomics signature. you develop that enormous database of treatment options right research clinical trials patient records you need to look at a human being needs to tell a team so when you look at the research people doing the style as well will do the gene research and what do the protein research and they have these clinicians doing their medical records nobody's actually created this integrated. we have now created this large integrated system in general but you know i was this be used to treat a lot of alyssa's it's actually was actually initiated to treat red diseases so it was for cystic fibrosis and soon diabetes cardiac disease information even

infection and we've got after cancer because obviously that's a plague i think we need to address very early on. one of the challenges i thought i'd want to take on was to think about the. idea one is influenza that could wipe us out we can expand the flu the h one n one the other one is cancer modern technology makes oldest possible right every ten years ago we could have been talking and we could not have i think now with the evidence of the supercomputer the camera in the phone why this technology is the cloud we now have the ability to with this infrastructure to create an old mentation on a collection of human wisdom and bring it to you and i what it takes so long to computerize medical records. it has taken so long because we in this archaic disparate system of building medical bridges to nowhere so unfortunately

when the medical records were built it was built on medicaid to actually pay a bill it wasn't built to actually bring wisdom to the doctor. and we've now just launched this week the rules first clinical operating system you think you know you have dos windows and you know by us here android. you have netflix you never had anything like that in health care because it's just like a complete different discipline so i'm happy to be a physician who also has the what he said direction while health institute at u.c.l.a. and said this is what the country needs so we built this now and launched this week frankly. the world's first clinical operating system that actually will link any medical records anywhere ok to help me was not an ophthalmologist right now to tell me how you can come up with an app a device that deals with. it's actually not the i it's the brain. so the idea was i need to understand because my concern is with this was the impetus for

this cancer doctor is now going to have a thousand facts is impossible for them to make a decision in real time. and so how do we actually have what i call artificially intelligent machine learning where we have a tool of all these facts coming together and bringing about which really remains how do you have the brain work which means that. if you understand how the brain works what is the brain the brain is the input of light from your eye so it means i need to understand how the i recognize it is what does i see and how does i compute in the brain is the most amazing thing how it computes what are you and i looking out of looking up the top of this phone number and i'm catching it all in but i'm filtering it and knowing exactly what i want to focus on so that's cool machine vision so we brought together some of the world's best mathematicians that these are mathematicians astrophysicists completely people in a different world and said i want you to get together and i brought

a team together and we built a system that can now compute on this device and compute like the brain is computing the applications for this is remarkable because. this is very difficult for people to see or blind people to touch is no braille on money so the opportunity then to say one dollar that rapidly ten dollars that rapidly twenty dollars and bend it over and will still say one dollar and handed over it will still take one dollar instantaneously it is a remarkable opportunity now you enable the blind to see if i can enable the blind to see with plain objects and i can enable the blind to see with three dimensional objects imagine if we could go to the next level by actually saying to the world i now need to actually expand myself into the room and let them see this entire

room and every little color is actually computing in real time. including your crew. in this room and it's you know. it's saying your book so i now can do spatial recognition in three dimensions of this is how your brain works it brain is actually all these little computing wall these edges the shapes the speech is. two and three dimensional this is never been done before it could never demean done because without the computing power and the combination of algorithms so we're getting closer. to the speed of how your brain is that a better computer than my brain not at all yet you know no this is just touching the surface of just recognition because your brain still does recall memory interactions emotions and pathy. we try to get to

empathy. what this will do now though it will be able to browse the physical world so instead of being limited just to the web where you have to go browse the web else and the entire world is brother simple so by that what i mean we've created a thing called the recognizer. magine i'm blind and i pick up the book. the book tells me what. i. read. was so the ability done for us to. recognize anything in the physical world so the blind person then would be have. in fact this up is out it's called looked ill when you read one if you see award

last year required to put it down for the blind. this is called the recognizer. blues this stay with us. i marinate join me. in that in part and. carry on from here. only on bombast and on. science technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the

future covered. washington well it's a mess it. isn't. perceived there's actually doesn't much like the culture giant on a seventy six year old american studio. going to create the cia i. think that's what's triggering. this a lot because it's also the largest debtor nation. that is mostly about turning the status quo on my good. points and working toward the american dream the next day we're just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers in washington to wake up and start talking about the real causes of.

help with this extraordinary gentleman dr patrick souter shown an incredible story he grew up in south africa during apartheid you weren't black or white you subject to racism the other way you treated i i was chinese so i couldn't vote i had to sit the back of the bus. going on property i wasn't black i was annoyed i could go to a movie house like a black or white i could go to a sports game. i trained as a medical student who had worked in the black hospitals. and i graduated and they said only four members full members of the two hundred had the right to work in the best white hospital i said ok i'm here and they said we have to go to china just to pretoria government to give me permission which they did provide except fifty percent salary so i was

a first chinese ever to work in the white hospital as an intelligent living. how could you make what do you make of that if he is. you know it's interesting you lived i grew up there was born there and when i was born into a party so. that was just how life was didn't really think about it i did not see t.v. in my life until age of one thousand it was no television and south africa so we listened to everything by radio so in a funny way we were in an isolated world the dignity of the of the black people and how they stood up to that really inspired. what we did in spite of what i do today so only since we've come to america now if you look back and he said what craziness that was i knew nelson mandela spent time as i was interviewed him when he passed what emotion that bring to you great emotion you know i actually. had

seven years ago went back to my children went to robben island went into the cell i was part of a new set as an activist i was also put into into a a police station because i refused to carry my id card as a student. i worked in t.v. clinics understood very much the pain. he was a great man a man without his vision is inside his ability to actually bring these capped is into the government we could have had a terrible bloodshed and yet you go on to become an incredible life which is foresight the if you buy a beleaguered drug company and you develop what kids are fighting drug called abraxane. what made it superior to other drugs well this is again was the dog right to do was in the phase that actually i was part of the nasa space shuttle program

and was building stem cells i built the world's first stem cell for diabetes that made insulin and the stem cell kept on dying and i can understand why it just so happened that nasa was also sending albion's human protein up for crystal structure houses and i read about how albumin actually fed these cells and i said oh my god yes a. person you that if we could break in that a particle of this human albumin it would actually feed well growing cells so when you think about did you lose weight with the breast cancer lung cancer prostate cancer maybe that's you because reason why everybody loses weight because it came with feeds on the body's albumin so they're made a not a particle valve and put a drug in it it could be rat poison in tricks of the tumor to feed and kill itself it was doing the entire air about people saying starve the chairman. and it horrified me because my have thought this is it if you start the chimney you cause it to spread you've got to feed that human and kill it. so nobody would believe that so i had to leave university it was painful i left the university to go build

is not a particle that we haven't heard about and then spent the money to go after breast cancer lung cancer and bank ready cancer so today to prove a breast cancer prove a lung cancer proof of pancreatic cancer and i'm excited to say we now have patients with me instead of pancreatic cancer free of disease still free of disease five years out was impossible yeah that's that's what makes me excited about things when people say i think that's impossible you so both drugs is right i saw both companies in two thousand and eight two thousand and ten because by two thousand and five i realized the nation the world is not prepared itself for what i call the digital revolution we in the manner of information we're going to need to develop based on the genome we can proteomic data just ten thousand patients united states alone is equivalent of thirty times the download of facebook today or eight times the entire library of netflix who and how are we going to deliver that kind of information on a daily basis around the world around the united states they want the world so the doctors can have information so people die i started having these kinds of

conversations again and nobody could understand what the heck i was talking about so i said well i've learned my lesson with the brac saying the only way to do it is just quietly do it and that's what we've done now we've so i sold the companies so i can put all these resources in a very quiet way to build a national information highway you give a go back to thinking i was raised under apartheid i write about i get a bus i was very poor and here i am now the other like pinch yourself when i play with co we. made you buy into the lakers that's exactly my passion is basketball right i mean i played basketball that's another thing in south africa. so what did you do you'd have sports. and i played i played against the white the white plays there were big rugby players big roy. so i had to develop a jump shot. you ever miss operating i miss operating a lot you know i used to do these things called whipple's where you take out the

entire pancreas the most complicated operation i did those scenes is what i want to show me here well we talked about the giving pledge right so one of the reason you say that i signed it dissipated. and while bill gates is doing amazing things in terms of what he's going to do for africa. i looked upon how we could make one of the most major impacts on this planet and using our technology and using our insights this seven hundred million hearing impaired to deaf people in the world hearing aids cost four thousand dollars there's only seven million hearing aids and why because you cannot you do that is two point eight trillion dollars you need a specialist to actually to need hearing aids so with the power of wireless and wife we built this thing we built this little hearing aid that is tunable by a smartphone which now means one smartphone can actually tune an entire village and this hearing it now costs three hundred dollars. you've sort of immediate

smartphone with you your smartphone the smartphone all actually to listen personalized to your hearing loss the tones the sounds and there's a an amazing algorithm both here and in the phone that actually interact with each other which means nels we can now take this technology and we've now created the most sophisticated headsets. that is tunable to your ear and with sounds. can give you the high fidelity of music so here we are in our world we actually have this capability we buy headsets like this one hundred eighty dollars and we're going to launch the same call notes we're selling headsets one hundred dollars and this is every time you buy two headsets we'll give away one hearing aid my goal is to give it a million hearing aids out the next five years or ten years and be good we can give ten million hearing aids out imagine that. is four thousand dollars times ten

million the math is enormous so we can take our luxuries of what we do and share that kind of in from what is available now now it's available now we get it. we actually just released this in the dominican republic for free. over christmas and we putting this together now and i now need packaging specialist i'm not a packaging specialist. this is the world's first proto diabolic you have this this is him we actually people now want this so much because the hearing here is so incredible. and we'll put part of launches in the next three to six months we have some questions for you marc webster of facebook what do you think the dollar value is that the health care system to afford to spend to save a human life how do we put a value. i don't think you put value i don't think it's look we spend in our country twenty no because of twenty percent of g.d.p.

we spend two point seven trillion going close to four trillion dollars we spend more than any other nation in the planet yet we thirteenth in the world in terms of outcomes so it's not what amount of money we spend it's how we spend the money in the amount of information and how we making the right decisions so there's no it's not a dollar issue it's really we have as we have enough money to to to create create the best care in this in this in this kind in this world music is my life as via instagram what do you think about the use of medical marijuana and its benefits for the research of cancer and other terminal illnesses you know it's interesting medical marijuana is has a real chemical positive chemical effect there's no question about it it actually has an effect on the brain it affects people of north korea has a real now clearly the view of so using that as an excuse and you know it depends how you need to manage the medical marijuana should stores and shops and validated

and thank you not going to create bad quality in impurities and actually create danger that's one of my fears. but there is great validity in many camaro m four eighty six via instagram do you support obamacare well i support the concept that. medical care is a human right and the working poor and the poor have as much right to medical care as you and i maybe more you are than i. needed. but the truth of the matter is what i worry about is that we've done insurance reform rather than health reform so it's not about a matter of shifting dollars it's about matter of shifting making go after keeping your healthy rather than waiting you get sick and then reacting to it which is the next question steven burrill facebook asks what new investments can we expect in preventive medicine well everything we doing is about preventative medicine in this

context we can actually identify the circle in cancer cell we can actually do genomic analysis we can actually create nutritional. and there's need to be accountability at all sides not just from the provider but also from the patient. you're very tell your doctor business when you're technical with is what are you good at. i know i can sing. what instruments. you know there's a lot of things i'm not good at. stood stephen hawking supposedly the brightest man in the world of nuclear physicists as physicists what is something you don't know about what do you what puzzles you and he said women. what puzzles you. well i don't think women puzzles me good to have an amazing wife mazing daughter and as you know as most of the people working around me a woman because the thing about women they get things done. but no i think you

thanks to my guest dr patrick soon we're going to have him back visit solve the health care go there and learn a lot more than we've learned today and you can find me on twitter at kings things we'll see you next time.