rebel leaders in eastern ukraine say they're ready to harm the flight recorders from the due malaysian airliner over to international investigators while european monitors on the scene rebuffed allegations that local militia are hindering their work. ask questions over the tragedy we take a look at some of the explain details including why they strayed from its usual route and why dispatchers told it true to yourself that you. will see coming up civilian deaths. in the government stronghold in eastern ukraine russia its military onslaught in the wake of the plane crash also.

over eighty palestinians have been killed by israeli or strikes since saturday night as the i.d.f. expands its ground offensive now in its third day. into the weekend here in r t international a wrap up of the top stories from the past seven days and right up to the minute developments as well i mean o'neill. government forces in eastern ukraine where a malaysian passenger jet crashed three days ago say they are ready to harm the flight recorder over to international experts all two hundred ninety eight people on board were killed in the horrific incident when the plane was allegedly hit by a missile monitors from the european security watchdog. seen in the remains of the victims which have been placed in refrigerator car edges of a nearby real. we're station later in the program we hope to talk to our

correspondent rym on cost fred who attended the press conference that the monitors gave. well let's take a look back at the sequence of events in the lead up to the catastrophe malaysian airlines flight seventeen took off from amsterdam on thursday at twelve fifteen local time been for kuala lumpur for twenty one kiev time it disappeared from radar coverage over ukraine and old radio contact was lost within an hour the crush was located it became clear no one had survived by eight in the evening both kiev an anti government troops are denied involvement in the crush local militia insisted they had no weapons capable of shooting down the or liner on both sides started to trade accusations relatives of the victims were informed overnight and the process of identifying the bodies began local residents have been recalling the horror of that day you solution a little i had a terrible noise i went out first and then my husband well the woman fell to the

ground right after i ran out at first my husband thought it was me i was in shock i couldn't go further than my yard. my wife and i were having dinner when we heard a strange noise that sounded like clapping as soon as we went out of the house we saw a body lying nearby it must have fallen from a very high altitude the only thing left on the body was a t. shirt it was a man and the legs were broken no sort practically no blood. at first i didn't notice anything my son went out and said mom there is a body in the kitchen there was plastic everywhere i thought it was just a pile of rubbish but then i had this too that it was a human body without a leg and was arms twisted and broken. measurer lines has released the full list of passengers on board the ill fated flight two thirds of them one hundred ninety three were dutch nationals forty three victims including all true members were

malaysian were also twenty seven australians travelling as well as citizens of the united kingdom indonesia and germany in total ten nationalities are on the manifest for the netherlands it's a time of nationwide mourning as peter offer reports the devastating news no one expects to hear. malaysian boeing alan has been reportedly downed based on a horse with reuters and interfax a malaysian airlines flight with about two hundred ninety five people on board has crashed grief spills over his family and friends of those on board m.h. seventeen make it to the airport in amsterdam at the scene of the crash passports strewn among the carnage each one a painful reminder of a person who died and each of those people leave behind friends and family it's in small communities like this one that have been directly affected that the real

human tragedy becomes clear neil tall and her partner course children were on the flight outside the flower shop they owned floral tributes pile up those who saw them day on day a left stunned we couldn't believe what happened. rumors spread quickly on the facebook in the morning to see outside the nose of a flower. then you know it's it it happened for real in the shop window a sign for the postman drop the mail off next door we're on holiday there were very lovely people and. you know i did want to just to just enjoy a holiday for two weeks and come back and say to pick up the post and i had a great holiday before stepping on the plane shilled posted this message on facebook it's understood ms toll had been uneasy about the flight following the disappearance of a malaysian airlines jet early at this year. family members stand sobbing in front

of a book of condolences they told me they just can't bring themselves to speak on camera it's not only those who lost relatives in the tragedy who are grieving the netherlands is in a state of disbelief following the deaths of nearly two hundred of its citizens in the disaster we were all shocked and very much. because especially for me. it's really. strange because my father and mother i've been on the this same flight many times. from the it's so shocking so many dutch people were on that plane this tragedy has affected our song. we think about it's not realistic people just the public airplane taking it down in this small country of only seventeen million people it seems nearly everyone has been touched in some way by this the worst disaster to affect the country in its recent history teacher

all over r.t. netherlands now there are plenty of on experience circumstances surrounding the tragedy firstly their flight deviated from its usual route it's also unclear why it passed directly over the zone of a raging armed conflict and finally there are questions over why ukrainian crime control told the crew to reduce just before the jet went down grieving families and are demanding explanations of what happened to their loved ones and. brings us this report from malaysia. inside the kuala lumpur international airport right now nothing speaks of the horrible tragedy of thursday it works without disruptions this is different to the situation in march when the other malaysian airlines jet went missing relatives of those on board were literally beseeching the malaysian airlines offices back then they still had hope of seeing their loved ones alive. there's no chance of that for the families connected to thursday's tragedy over ukraine but what unites the two apparently different design asters is the fact

there are far more questions than answers starting with the mh seventeen jets flight path you move. and didn't see by the local school and never. believe. that you get to play. but if that group was safe and many other jets had flown it on the day why had several airlines decided to change their paths malaysian authorities claim the plane was flying on a sat route but flight tracker data published online suggest the path could have been changed to three hundred kilometers further north. international civil aviation community. we. carry. some carries. very safe flying.

across ukraine but if the flight trajectory is more a matter of speculation right now one alteration it made has been officially confirmed in flight. but. still we have. indeed altitude changes on request is a common practice but the malaysian authorities have received no clarification as to why it was ordered on that day supposedly minutes before the jet went down most relatives of the passengers of m.h. seventeen have now gone to ukraine to identify the bodies a team of malaysian investigators is following them in the hope of shedding at least some light on this dark story. reporting from kuala lumpur in malaysia. britain's prime minister claims that if it's shown that the rebels in east ukraine done the aircraft then this would be

a direct result of russia's support for government forces david cameron's comments follow a wave of accusations from western powers against moscow even though no official investigation has yet been conducted gein a church account takes up the story. before investigators made it to the crash site the u.s. announced to the world where the deadly missile shot came from evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface to air missile that was launched from an area that is controlled by russian backed separatists inside of ukraine but the u.s. president stopped short of saying who pulled the trigger we don't know exactly what happened and yet u.s. officials all but to accuse the rebels in eastern ukraine and russia by so ca sion of having shot down the plane president obama based his suggestions on incidents of ukrainian military jets that the rebels recently shot out of the sky a group of separatists can't shoot down. military transport planes or they

claim shoot down fighter jets without sophisticated equipment and sophisticated training and that is coming from russia russia says t.v. is responsible because it launched this military operation in eastern ukraine and the u.s. supported it moscow has also raised a number of questions for kiev to answer including why it hadn't closed the airspace over what was clearly a war zone jim gray why did you create an air traffic controller send a passenger flights to an area of military clashes an area which was used to carry out strikes against civilian targets and where there were anti-aircraft systems operating all members of the un security council including russia and the united states have called for a credible impartial investigation of the disaster it will take time before any results come through but the blame game is already in full swing down to check on washington d.c.

now after the plane came dying kiev was quick to blame the anti-government forces for the tragedy and here is what the accusations are based on first the ukraine calculated what i called an intercepted conversation between the opposition fighters in which the alone. admitting to firing on the plane that crashed on territory controlled by the opposition kiev claims that's enough to implicate them even though the ukrainian army also has a heavy presence there and finally there is video released by kiev purporting to show a book surface to air missile system in eastern ukraine with one of its rockets missing now and as far as the video of the missile system goes kiev claims it was shot in a small talk on near the russian border but local state you can see an address on the billboard which is actually located in a different town which they say has been under the control of the ukrainian army since may and it's located two hundred fifty kilometers away from the russian border intelligence expert charles shu bridge points out some other discrepancies

in kiev's accusations one could say from the outset with some investigation the area of ground from which it was launched and of course that would give an indication even though it's accepted i think. much of eastern ukraine is in a fluid situation in terms of who controls why any given time the government has released what it claims are a number of everyone should leads for example it is said to have these weapon systems i should point out that of course the prosecutor general himself. this system so it's fair to say there's a lot of confusion at the moment and really this really points the way to the importance of a thoroughly independent. investigation to uncover all of the leads in this case. investigation has barely begun but the mainstream media already has one step ahead it's after the break we'll be looking at why the finger of blame is being pointed out the rebels on russia so quickly.

i wonder if allegations of propaganda also represent a form of propaganda because what you do is essentially diligent to my being this force without looking at the contacts with alice looking at me not me and that's not what i think the real problem i think the political columns screaming to play which distorting the old homes on the ukraine crisis somebody take. them on the left me on the side. you claim i'm going to be a mole and most of you know i'm gonna basically sourcing the whole of the reporters . and i think there's a need for the oil companies question about. this immediately though so we leave the baby. out of the scene push it to the play you call the musical. shoes that no one is there still with the guests that you

deserve answers from solong politics only of are today. welcome back to the program not shortly after thursday's plane crash in ukraine several mainstream media outlets lodged onto the message coming from washington and kiev unleashing a storm of accusation against anti-government forces and against moscow for more on the war of words let's not bring in a new state journalist who used to be a senior advisor to the organization for security and cooperation in europe thanks for joining us this hour not before any investigation had even begun some had already pin the blame on russia has any evidence actually been presented. well we should make critically first of all that human trying to tragedy after cuts to

reduce the relatives and the victims does a thorough investigation by an independent sources were. when you see evidence this is something that is produced by experts on the ground i mean look at their own programs on russia's own national geographic and on this it takes weeks and months before you can to jump to any conclusions to whatever is being said is just speculation to a political movement if so why do you believe both media and politicians were so quick to jump to conclusions this early. well because they're laughing then most of them i mean on an investment by the way also blame russia today in the between bracketed but i think they did if this consider this too good an opportunity to once again play the blame game on russia and on the insurgency in the east of ukraine i meant and it's too good an opportunity to miss whether what the how this

will turn out in the long term debt remains to be seen but i can tell you this is a very volatile situation all wars have started like this will be because it's just doing things like the speculation and put in the blame before this and whatsoever evidence to to to to come to any conclusion how confident can we be about the investigation into the crash will be objective when it gets around to not politicized. well i can only say that if. if there is an investigation it should of course include the dutch and the malaysian authorities and probably also the one company being an american company but it's a job is that the american authorities and the russian authorities can should be but only as witnesses to the investigation they can certainly not be brought on game because yes and in any event like this and i appreciate i'm asking you

a lot here at the next question but if it turns out that the plane was indeed shot on what would be implications be for whoever will be fired responsible but of course that like i said there is no no element that can already give the steel but unity jump to conclusions so i'm not going to speculate on what will happen. it looks like i mean it's pretty obvious that this plane was shot not just had and accidental but it was a showdown probably most probably but who's to blame well there are precedents what happened with similar events one thousand nine hundred three. soviet union downed an american ally and what happened was the united states navy downed an iranian airliner if i'm not mistaken one nine hundred eighty eight look what happened with that book. my guess is similar things will happen i mean to bad but i'm afraid that the real culprits will never be known i hope it's different this time but it's

too early to. live on the east former senior adviser to the o s c we thank you for your time this hour. despite calls for a ceasefire growing ever larger kiev has stepped up its military crackdown against the centers of government resistance in east ukraine this week the situation in the regional couple of donetsk remains tense with explosions heard on the outskirts while delia raids on shelling have become every day reality for the people in lugansk and the latest artillery attack on the city centers residential areas a kindergarten on a school were severely damaged on the army's mortar fire in broad daylight in lugansk killed at least sixteen on friday meanwhile the organization for security and cooperation in europe up to the total number of lives lost in lugansk since the summer of two hundred and fifty here serena on the russia ukraine border with the latest updates from lottery. residents of reported hearing air raid sirens again

again last night and they're saying that fighting continues on the outskirts of the city now according to self-defense forces ukrainian troops are gaining ground seeking to take control over the road that is connecting the gods can denotes that you see these that are essentially capitals of the restive regions. varying brought into off the assaults by the ukrainian army this city has been heavily hit its infrastructure damaged people are saying they're left without water electricity gas is also something they're finding a shortage off of course there are instances of people being hit in the middle of the day by artillery and mortar shells at one instance eight people have died similar tenuously when a shell has hit a cross walk always the observers have said that two hundred fifty people have been killed since the beginning of june in lugansk alone previously that number is given for civilian casualties for these homes you ration of conflict for both regions and so now we can assume that that number is probably

a lot higher than people have to in the industry they're living. they're just sort of a peaceful life. this should look like the troops. to know. the fighting continues and times it can be heard on the border between russia and ukraine with residents complaining about shells flying into their backyards essentially and despite the fact that petro poroshenko has assured that civilians are not going to be the. targets of ukrainian military nevertheless they seem to be bearing the brunt of off the pressure and when exactly if at this conflict is going to end is not yet clear with of course the world's attention being on the aftermath of the disaster of flight m.h. seventeen the fighting that doesn't seem to subside in southeastern ukraine goes on as before. ok back to our top story now malaysian earline are let's cross

for money in donetsk for us for more details on the u.s. the findings of the science of flight m.h. seventy came don ramon tell us more about the cleanup efforts and what was said by european monitors. while the always see a mission are continuing to monitor this situation here at the plane crash site they're there every single day they arrived there a day after the tragedy occurred and they said what they observed today was the fact that the bodies of the victims have been taken to the city of torres about fifteen twenty kilometers away from the site they are now in a refrigerated railway cars three of them actually the temperature there is for anywhere from zero to minus five degrees the international monitors the o.c. said their access to the sciences and not restricted whatsoever they added that the

international aviation experts and other experts they had that's investigate such cases are stealing key event there yet to contact the authorities all the self-proclaimed donetsk people's republic they said today they discovered the cockpits of the plane along with the thirty seven more bodies they said all in all there are over one hundred ninety bodies that have been taken to a location in solar is solar as they confirm the fact that the weather is really hot over here and the bodies were taken there in order to be. in order to be. known not to decompose and further. i'm on cos trip on the ground internets for us thank you for the update. the israeli prime minister has value to continue operation protective age for as long as it takes his words overnight the i.d.f. bombarded the eastern neighborhood from the killing at least eighty seven civilians

locals say there are bodies strewn over the streets billings and that no one is able to retrieve them due to the destruction eighteen israeli soldiers have been killed since the assault kicked off that number is the war through our by the palestinian fatalities approaching four hundred. now after the break ups on a boy is joined by the director of the ethical journalism network to discuss the shaky boundaries between journalism and propaganda to stay with us. if there's anything we're afraid of in the modern western world isn't al qaeda or aids or something like that it's words just words especially on the internet morning radio shock jock and the cumia from the opie and anthony show has been

fired for a massive twitter rant that he made against a woman who believed that the radio host was taking mocking photographs of her and got aggressive with him who may claim to just be taking pictures of time square now normally what you do outside of work shouldn't matter but with public personalities i can see how people want them to have good behavior all the time but the problem is that guys like him are put on the airwaves to have bad behavior what does the sirius x.m. company expect from people they put on air to be wild and raunchy this is typical corporate boardroom mentality well we want morning gigi's to be really crazy and shocking but not too crazy and shocking hey i don't have a horse in this race i actually think the opie and anthony show is pretty dismal but when i see someone getting fired for wacky shock jock stuff that is in a way kind of part of his job well it just seems very hypocritical to me but that's just my opinion.

hello and welcome to worlds apart in the era when the whole country is

a convicted and because the public opinion when the massacres that carried out to be shown on t.v. and where perception and reality are just as mixed as news and commentary is there still a place for journalism let alone afaik old journalism well to discuss that i'm now joined by eight in the wide director of the ethical journalism network mr whyte thank you very much for being here hello yes the pleasure now you define journalism in terms of five basic aliments truths independence impartiality humanity and humility and those are very subjective categories they're all essentially in the eye of the beholder starting from truth what could be more divisive and complicated than that so i wonder whether your decision of journalism essentially reduced as a journalist to somebody who's notions of truth impartiality and independence are very similar to yours no i mean i think it's wrong or i mean i'm not just talking here about. i mean i think what we're talking about the framework in which

everybody behaves look all human beings wrestle on the walls and when we have a discourse between us i mean it's reasonable that we expect the trouble to be ethical you know the basic constituents are more to my cool that's a cool journalism all ok i agree with true. this is a very big good but i think accuracy is extremely important and we shouldn't be deceptive in our humbling of the franks independent. propagandists for one particular side and accountability that we're ready to engage with you to correct the reader all there is very important notions in detail and i suggest we consider the conflict in ukraine which i know you recently wrote about and there are at least three distinct narratives as far as ukrainian coverage is concerned russian ukrainian and western in the article that you wrote recently you perhaps unsurprisingly described the russian and ukrainian line as political propaganda but i came away with an impression that you believe that the reporting in the western

media dies raised to this standard of journalism aren't you being a big why is towards your western colleagues i mean i think you're quite wrong here if you look at my record when i was a journalist through the international federation of journalists now i'm the director of the journalism network i have been consistently against any group or any political group from any ideological parts community from any part of the world that have sought to try to control information in a way which is propaganda stick or unethical or to incite hate speech or to distort information i've been very critical of western media many times in the past and what we're talking about here is not a particular book of opinion whether it's western northern so the nor'east tool we're talking about the need for people in the public domain to be able to cross the information that they're receiving now i'm going to think it's important to bear this in mind at the best of times.