i'm. breaking news on r.t. international russia's defense ministry says a second. of a fighter jet was detected near the ill fated malaysian airliner in the moments before it went down in eastern ukraine. international experts are starting to arrive at the crash site four days since the tragedy happened amid mounting concerns the full scale investigation is being stalled. also in eastern ukraine a local militia fighter triggered public outrage after being photographed partly taking a toy from the disaster site but new video shows his. wrong. israeli

tank shell a hospital already packed with injured palestinians as the military offensive enters its third week triggering a global condemnation and calls for an immediate cease fire. it's just on eight pm this monday evening here in the russian capital you are tuned into our t.v. international my names even welcome. we start with breaking news to another jet was detected at the same time in place of the malaysian plane crash in eastern ukraine and how the characteristics of a military craft that's what russia's defense ministry house today revealed it also spotted the increased activity of ukrainian radars on the movement of buka rocket launchers in the area on the day of the tragedy artie's marina explains. there was

a second aircraft which was the tech that gaining high at the same time as the boeing seven seven was flying over there and watch it what's interesting is that it reached its distance between the this aircraft and boeing seven seven was at one point between three to five kilometers now what's the question that springs up here is why the ploy a military jet so close to passenger planes because we're not only talking about the malaysian boeing there were other planes flying over that area as well and why not reveal it because since considering everything that's happened this is crucial information and now i believe we can hear about some more details regarding the second aircraft and what russia's defense minister believes that was. at five twenty one pm and thirty five seconds another mark of an aircraft appeared at the point of the crash. monitored by radar station. and sky during the next four minutes having spotted the jets in air traffic controller failed to

identify it as the aircraft most probably didn't for self identification system which is characteristic of military aircraft. what's also interesting is that ukraine's radar activity seemed to have peaked on the day of the crash and actually satellite pictures show that from the fourteenth of july ukraine's anti-aircraft missiles were being moved towards the east of the country which is interesting again why because kiev authorities had said up until that point that sansa government forces in the east did not have book missiles yet they are shown in the satellite pictures a move in their arsenal towards the east of the country also one of the pictures clearly shows that a factory off the book missile is seen within a few kilometers of donetsk and now the day after the crash the battery is gone so another question springs up then we have a u.s. which insists that has pictures proving that the missile was launched by the rebels in the rebel controlled territory or russia on its part and the defense ministry

says that its pictures show. so that you as a space satellites were actually monitoring that very same area surrounding the plane as that second aircraft so they should have pictures and if they do have them now why not show them in this evidence that they are saying that they have why not show it to the world so they can analyze these pictures as well. we're getting reports that international experts are starting to arrive off the scene of the malaysian plane crash in eastern ukraine we believe dutch investigators are already on the scene while their colleagues from malaysia have arrived in donetsk the investigation efforts have been shrouded by concerns over safety on claims that vital evidence is being tampered with or. is not the crushing. we are now into our fifth day after the plane crash took place here in the region and just now investigators are beginning to arrive at the first person i've seen was such forensics expert who arrived in the city of torres about ten it's

a kilometer away from here to a place where recovered bodies all flights m h seventeen have been stored in a refrigerated train cars now the dutch forensic experts said that he was satisfied with how the bodies are stored stored in a suitable environment sends of course before there was quite a bit of controversy about the recovery of these bodies because the self-proclaimed defense forces had been urged to not to touch them at all but they felt that they have a moral responsibilities of the victims'. families and we are in a thirty two degree heat out here so the bodies began to decompose quite rapidly the bodies will now apparently be moved to a different location from the city of torres so occasion which will be suitable for a technical for forensic examination and that location will be beyond the territory controlled by the self-defense forces so as to the aviation experts there yet so

right here at the scene they crash we believe that simulation aviation experts will be coming here a little just to the meanwhile of course the always see are continuing their monitoring mission here as well they are present at fattal with the experts as well and in regards to what had been found here on the scene already while the leader of the self-proclaimed donetsk people's republic claims that they recall birds a second ago elements that resemble black boxes all the seventeen flights and now these technical elements are now in a his position on their guard and those elements so will be handed to the international experts as soon as they arrive. president obama has just delivered a strong statement over the malaysia airlines crash pointing the finger at russia unlatching out it for not pressurising local militia into allowing a proper investigation to take place or to use marina portnoy i was following his

speech so more tough talk marina from the u.s. leader tell us more. well strongest statements we've heard so far from u.s. president barack obama who is firmly placing the blame for the plane tragedy on russia and president vladimir putin the american leader has accused russia of training arming and providing the separatists in these ukraine with anti-aircraft equipment accusations moscow has vehemently denied obama insists that president putin has direct responsibility to force and separatists to what he says to stop blocking an international investigation into last week's shoot down of the malaysian airlines passenger jet. unfortunately the russian backed separatists who control the area continue to block the investigation they've repeatedly prevented international investigators from gaining full access to the wreckage as investigators approached they fired their weapons into the air the separatists are

removing evidence from the crash site all of which begs the question what exactly are they trying to hide now while obama insists that monitors are being blocked by the local militias statements that we're hearing from the o.s.c. from o.c. officials counter then we heard from a no a c e person that insists that currently they are being provided access and security. we covered a wider area we visited a site that we hadn't visited before. we had fairly good critter security. and you know there they did seem to provide us with a kind of ring of security to allow us to to do the monitoring that we have to do. now president obama has underscored his support for a prompt full on impeded and transparent investigation but the problem is that this

investigation before it even begins is being tainted with the blame and accusations and you know and statements that are not necessarily true or factually correct so it would be best obviously if all governments refrain from pointing fingers and casting blame until the investigators start actually doing their job of gathering the facts and putting the pieces together. live from new york first thank you for the update. allegations of russia's involvement in the malaysian plane crash have been picked up by many media outlets these are just some of the headlines appearing now and they're making it clear who they blame for the tragedy pointing the finger directly at president putin this is not a case where terrorists are operating without an address or home base it's called the kremlin the blame is largely on putin and i think we have to hold him accountable russian separate issues russian equipment that they were trained on by russians to bring down a commercial jetliner however there are parts of the story being largely ignored

ukraine has released what it claims is an intercepted phone call between government forces in which the admits to dining the plane but speech. popof thinks the recording is a fabrication. but it's not really it's a textbook on law. and if it's being presented as one on it it's had recorded so in reality the sort of if it was compiled out of several fragments in the time inconsistent the part where it is being said the plane was downed by cossacks these monkeys reveal that one fragment was recorded at sixteen thirty three and that the second fragment which comes right afterwards was recorded at seventeen fifteen. has also released pictures of a surface to air missile launcher which explains it was spotted in an area held by empty government forces but local save a ton in the video has been under the control of the ukrainian army for the past two months former security consultant load of the new ses but so far no real

evidence has been produced when you see. this is something that is produced by experts on the ground it takes weeks and months before you can jump to any conclusion whatever is being said is just speculation to a political to each and every detail it's been largely sidelined is that the pilot was told by ukrainian traffic controllers to reduce altitude by six hundred meters just before disaster struck dots have also been raised over a unusual flight path what is actually suspicious is not the plane has do you. typically takes which seems to be now very very different from the flight just the day before ukraine also claims the missile that hit the plane was launched from territory controlled by the government fighters intelligence expert bridge ses it's hard to establish that for sure one could say from the outset with some investigation of ground from which it was launched and of course that would give an

indication even though it's accepted i think if you put it much of a crime is in a fluid situation in terms of who controls what any given time. what the media was quick to latch onto was the picture of an alleged litter after the crash site this one has caused a lot of anger and let's listen to what the dutch prime minister had to say it because hawks i am shocked by the images of totally disrespectful behavior at this tragic site this is downright disgusting the photo has been really tweeted many times accompanied by angry comments the anti-government fighter was described as holding a child's toy monkey as if it was a trophy although sometimes an image doesn't tell the whole story. the u.k. prime minister is among the strongest advocates for sanctions against moscow he's

just call for a new range of restrictions to be introduced by you we discussed the issue with veteran british labor politician and former mayor of london ken livingstone who believes there is little public support for the idea. then blame president putin if he sees a bit of a mess going on there this is an absolute tragedy i but it is not something planned and plotted by putin and that's the line being dished out from washington and the british government and i have to tell you want whilst people in russia may be looking at news papers and on t.v. broadcasts and thinking there is great down here there is no mood in britain or i suspect anywhere in your for sanctions because it would simply take the korean economy back into recession and there's no evidence to suggest that this is anything other than a tragic era by people that should have known better now about an hour's drive from the crash site ukraine's army has unleashed heavy artillery on the city of donetsk

with unconfirmed reports saying five civilians being killed the city is the capital of the region and it's fear of the act of combat action there will hamper the investigation of the crash. heavy shelling was reported near the city's main railway station with some reports suggesting the army's using grad rocket systems this video from the nets has emerged online showing at least three people lying on the ground judging by the creatures nearby they were appointee caught in deadly fire the ukrainian army has been shelling the city but other images posted online show a different picture. come we're going to look more similar . we're going to school. you know.

one of the three years out of school. the good will. come with a little. sign on how much the kid. on the cell phone video was shot near a lake just north of the net several families with children who had been relaxing there rushed for shelter after explosions went off on the other side of the late. evening. these pictures are from the outskirts of the net squishes ukraine's fifth largest city and it's a larger population and several european capitals such as lisbon are dublin the netsky is also a major industrial hub and it's also home to one of ukraine's most popular football clubs. ukraine's president petro poroshenko has ordered

a halt to all combat operations in areas near the flight seven being crushed side but troops are stepping up their offensive against nearby anti-government strongholds in the lugansk region alone the so-called terrorist operation claimed two hundred fifty civilian lives since june that figure was announced by the organization for security and cooperation in europe as members travel to the devastated province where shootings and rocket fire have become a daily reality so. why did the q.r.p. who was going to answer for this. one side is the delay to another one is protecting us and we had. while we were running we saw five people on the ground and that's pushed it was upside down. whoever is responsible there is no excuse for the innocent people women and children. still to come in the program this hour

israel has shelled a hospital in already packed with people fighting for their lives the death toll in the two week long offensive house not surpassed five hundred causing global outrage with world leaders confessing israel has gone too far or not after the break. join me. in that in part and. commentary interviews and much much. only on. waters. to me before. spread all over norway is the

most toxic food you have and who will profit drowns out in the tissue inquiry furthermore those restrictions. really knows what's inside the feeling. welcome to the program is really tonks have shelled a hospital in gaza killing four people and injuring over one hundred the building was already overflowing with injured civilians and medics are struggling to cope the offensive in gaza has tantalized to five hundred palestinians in the space of two weeks with some the becoming the bloodiest day so far the start of operation

protective edge so a daily death toll of around two thousand but the numbers have since been snowballing with one hundred palestinians killed on sunday alone what began with airstrikes against suspected hamas rocket science developed into a full blown israeli ground offensive on thursday night israel has also lost it of its soldiers. thank. you. for that oh oh oh oh. oh. i don't know. what. the spider rising casualties israel shows no signs of wrapping up its mission prime minister netanyahu is vowing to continue operations quote for as long as needed thirty five people have been killed this morning in southern gaza many belonging to

one family also at least ten militants were killed as they crossed the border through two tunnels so far though more youngsters helping killed in strikes than hamas militants and as hearty fear reports the military action of today is leaving deep scars on the generation of tomorrow. at least eighty children have been killed in gaza in the past two weeks of fighting in their homes on the streets i knew playing on the beach in a recent incident three children were killed by road while playing football on the roof of the home be un confirm that at least one in five of the palestinian victims so far are children the numbers are much higher in the proportion is much higher than we saw in the conflict in two thousand and twelve if your six year old child in gaza this is your third war you know this is a regular occurrence this is part of your life and the impact it has on the long

term development the children it really takes a toll and of course what's needed immediately is a sation to the violence we need we need some kind of a ceasefire agreement in an impoverished refugee camp known for its danger on the night time bombardment we met nine year old my lack. of friends bin laden the for the hey betty i am until monday i. am the captain was elected the sham. that i feel. fine things. that doctors iata has been working in mental health for over twenty years he says that traumatized children parents struggle to the minds of images. with critical questions for the parents a bit on themselves. and the. children how they can deal how they can to protect how they can secure these are some time for

a scared to secure a skip the children he is an average mother of six living in one of gaza's most densely populated camps and i'm trying to out of a normal with them to try and make them calm and to make sure they don't feel scared to avoid a terrifying atmosphere a six year old son keeps asking me why there are drones in the sky. and i tell them they are taking video of this the children know the difference between a drone strike and an f. sixteen strike i have a daughter in high school she's grown up and she hears the airstrikes she starts to scream and cry experts fear that this latest violence could creation upsurge in mental health issues which could affect long term prospects for peace some of the children in their scheme and they will use violence as. their problem in the future and this is one of the this and you are talking about a generation will be involved in this in this conflict. gaza are surely no

easy place in which to grow up one's destinies here are continually up rooted by conflict and instability and among today's bereaved intro matteis children are tomorrow's parents leaders and a smaller number still resistance fighters perry fear r.t. gaza. earlier and israeli defense force spokes person assured me they're doing everything possible to protect civilian lives. and me some us minister of the interior specifically instructed the civilian population in gaza not to leave their homes not to leave the instructions not to follow the instructions of the military provided which he knew these innocent people were in their homes and yet you still decided to strike was not your decision we provided as much warning as we could and at the end we had to attack certain targets that are resulting in the terror is ation of our entire public and one of the latest attacks really military shells with spray are thousands of tiny and potentially lethal metal darts we've seen that

some rules of humanitarian law render their use in the gaza strip illegal as an imprecise weapon is more likely to result in civilian injuries which of course we have seen in spades why do you ignore international law in this case you can say with full confidence and with full sincerity that any weapon that is being used by the i.d.f. is done so in line with international law and we're seeing hospitals schools media offices essentially sick people children and the ordinary working man and woman being hit in these places you know overwhelmingly why is this they're not being targeted and the reason the reason that they are not leaving and following the instructions that we are giving them is because hamas finds it in its assets to leave them in these areas some days must occur force the u.n. security council to urge an immediate cease fire. secretary-general ban ki moon say israel committed an atrocious auction and needs to do more to protect civilians but

some didn't hold back their words turkey's prime minister accused israel of barbarism surpassing enough of hitler u.s. secretary of state john kerry is expected in egypt to support regional efforts to reach a solution my colleague sean thomas discussed the trip with former cia officer dr charles cogan. there's not going to be peace as long as netanyahu is prime minister he doesn't want it and with all the efforts of kerry which were highly laudable it was netanyahu who broke the talks off after israel refused to release the finer trunk of kind of standing position is back in april john kerry the u.s. secretary of state was recently caught off mike talking about the israeli tactics in gaza let's listen to what he had to say it's a hell of a pinpoint operation it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. really. underscores first we've got to get over there. i think we have to go to night

i think it's crazy to sit around can we expect that to turn into some type of a concrete action it's very difficult because these neighbors neighborhoods are very crowded and they're launching sites within the neighborhoods there are stray actions that go wrong like the killing of the four. teenage or youths on the beach last wednesday but i think the the i.d.f. does make an effort they send out warnings but it's a very very messy situation and and it must stop by and maybe maybe kerry can do something it's gotten way out of hand and is kerry seems quite accurate the head of the pinpoint operation. in the us the streets of san francisco were engulfed by protests in solidarity with palestinians accusing israel of genocide the antiwar demonstrators burned the countries by the also blame the american government for providing more than three billion dollars in military aid for israel and washington

draw it's of people from jewish communities marched together to the white house joining the chorus against the violence. while in northern ireland hundreds gathered outside the b.b.c. in belfast accusing the corporation of pro is really bias in its coverage protesters lit candles and held. a minute's silence for the victims of the military campaign. and fronsac to vista find a pro palestinian rallies and took to the streets in a forest suburb they set fire to cars raided shops and lit fire crackers police responded with tear gas and rubber bullets arresting at least thirteen rioters. he's the news for now but up next here in or to international peter lavelle i'm guess the scuffs whether there's any hope of resolving the israeli palestinian conflict.

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below and welcome to all things are considered. a war without end with no pre-determined exit strategy israel's most recent invasion of gaza could last for months the humanitarian catastrophe for the palestinians is incalculable israel's security is unclear. to the situation in gaza i'm joined by my guest nora lester more out in jerusalem she is a writer and blogger also in jerusalem we have martin van creveld he is a israeli military historian and theorist and in washington we cross to flynt leverett he is a professor of international relations at pennsylvania state university and co-author of the book going.