a friend of mine flew in from germany and he said that as he was leaving he looked in to do stand at the airport and on the front page of twelve german publications were basically titles like tunes missile destroyers airplane alluding to the crash malaysian airplane that fell into the combat zone in eastern ukraine this isn't just some fluke that my friend saw all these newspapers together the entire mainstream media has made the same bold speculations i think this is interesting for two reasons one the way that the mainstream press jumped onto the story with exactly the same headlines and exactly the same angles really makes me want to start believing in conspiracy theories especially when an investigation had been conducted yet there wasn't any formal evidence yet but from fox to c.n.n.

to medium sized german newspapers the speculation of who was at fault for the crash is identical and absolute and to the western media which feels justified to push for war with anyone who doesn't adopt western values have themselves completely forgotten just what those values are i thought in the glorious west everyone gets a fair trial with due process evidence and a conviction only after their guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt but when enemies of washington need to be demonized i guess all those principles just fly right out the door but that's just my opinion. if you don't laugh it is sad people especially leaving in this world when they believe that you know that. you talk to them they simply don't realize when propaganda is being put down we need to go by you know beyond that and actually. gauge with the ideas. presented as well and confront that information and

i think that's something that it is you know for not everything is black and white not everything isn't taken is taken and the more that we can be. open minded connoisseurs of information regardless of the source i think we're all going to be . welcome to the same co on sophie shevardnadze the member states of the e.u. take pride in their high standards of living and developed economies but a fresh air of pain commission report has brought to light the true extent of corruption on the continent billions of heroes are going to waste and no parts of

the union are spared but its corruption is universally harmful and how is he going to tackle it well that of course a newly appointed anti bribery charge of the. as the financial crisis ease its grip on europe the continent is now faced with a different challenge it's claimed bribery is eating the union from the inside reportedly costing the bloke as much as it spends in a whole year. the world's most advanced economies handle the shocking truth. on the grabbing. the fight against corruption hopeless. because it's great to have you with us today now the commissioner behind a report into the corruption in the new has called the scale of it breast taking to the figure say your breath away because there are certainly striking. forcible both regards to your real soul in the world. not so so much. price of all the figures

which were there which were present in the report. although their estimation but still i would say that this to mission is quite accurate and if you take into consideration that the amount of money which is being spent every year in the european union those figures are extremely big but not such a surprise but i mean we are talking about a hundred and twenty billion here us which is approximately the budget of a year it is a huge number though it well but you have to take into consideration that just three years ago. the european union are spending several hundred billion a furious on the public procurement in their estimation of that each public procurement deal twenty thirty sometimes even fifty percent of the money spent on corruption so this figure is i think assess it i think it's quite accurate of course this figure has to cause an alarm with all the decision makers in all of

countries of the open union which until know was obviously convinced that the corruption is not such a big problem obviously it is in obviously it is the the time has kim come to to do something against it but why were they so surprised to see this number. that they lady behind the report was obviously expressing her shock. this is the first to port which gives the general review of the events in the corruption or interruption air india opinion until today we were just dealing with initial reports reports concerning concrete countries and since this is the first one on the european union level of course the figures which are shown there are shocking for somebody especially for those who did not even think that corruption might be such a big problem in you know if you don't think that corruption is a big problem you have no political reason to deal with it so today it is obvious

it is clear corruption is a huge problem. for corruption in rio a stink billions and billions of our taxpayers' money in this also means that our politicians would have to do something against it there is because when we're talking about corruption can you explain to us what forms it takes are we talking about bribery ali money laundering organized crime where basically we make a difference between we call it that the corruption low level corruption in high level corruption better corruption is bribes or citizens or orders are paying to the police officers to customs officer stop the public official said there are little local communities and their demi coursed with betty corruption is not such big as did the other one the democrats by a hell of a corruption which is conducted by the politicians in power they don't do it very often but when they do it we are speaking about hundreds sometimes mysie but

millions and millions of dollars or euros. of damage cost and what is even more important the consequences of corruption are also corrupt decisions which influence delay for each of us now what you're talking about the government official is actually being involved in a large scale corruption schemes can you give us a precise example. what you see in the european union to be dealing with public officials from the lowest level it's a those are police officer of. decks officer of scotland's officers but also we're also dealing with the. presence of the government so about what i'm asking my friends and it's you got me my own country we have a case yeah we have political inside my country were to the ex president of the government and the prime minister has been sentence or the sent this is not final yet for for some sort of bribery so there is nobody is immune from corruption in the politicians at the top can cause the most of the demolition this is the most

dangerous form of corruption but if you look at it from to generalize they could you say is the biggest offender the businessmen are the government they're fish else it depends in which way it happens you know some not so long ago people are saying the one who is giving bribes is less guilty than on who succeeded in bribes this is not the true annoy the one who is giving equally good is the one who's except in bribes what is important is what position persons involved in corruption have so if you're dealing let's see if we do the rector of broad company who's bribing high level official at the level of literacy minister or even the prime minister then of course the one who is having much more power to ministers and prime ministers and of course they have to be. burden more with what is happening and because they can cause and they are causing much more damage than

ordinary director us ordinary companies but among countries themselves like who are the worst offenders and why those countries especially if you know what in the superior poor countries like spain italy greece have been exposed as the most corrupt countries in the opinion there are different reasons for that first of all is those are all countries which are facing serious economic crisis then a smudge don't usually don't want to speak about it but sometimes i have to admit that it is also part of part of the culture of this country's in the third one is the and to corruption systems in those countries are not effective they do not work and therefore there is no threat for the guys who are already involved in corruption or they are planning to get in what and corruption because they know they can do whatever they want to there not be punished by the state and this is the consequences we see but you bring up an interesting point you're saying it's

part of the culture but if it's part of a culture how do you fight it well the culture of scorn also be changed i can remember. one of my presentation some years ago your country and the russian federation were one of the professors one of the faculty was trying to explain the students that this is corruption in the culture of russians and nothing can do can be done to fight it i don't agree with that one you know this was maybe have been going the past but also a culture of developing and if not with this it is obvious in these clear or it is it should be clear that crush me something which is undermining the life of each of us then it cannot be part of anybody's corrupt culture of course it takes years sometimes it takes decades sometimes it takes centuries but i'm quite sure that at the end also those cultures who changed let's take for example scandinavian

countries they have maybe half of the legislation we have they have one third of the situations we have in they don't have a they almost have no corruption why because culturally it is a disaster for somebody in finland sweden and norway to be even suspicious of being involved in corruption and of course i'm not saying that they don't have crop into it or so there but the extent of corruption there is much lower than in listen other countries especially countries in the southern europe well it's either do what you say video large brenda's creating more corruption problems when the new member states like from eastern europe join for example what they're more relaxed acid said towards corruption is that a big problem as a whole. well i think the problem is somewhere else you see when countries are exceeding to the opinion in european union is imposing a lot of pressure on them to fight corruption effective fight against corruption is

even political criteria for countries to join deal it means it is non-negotiable they have to do it but what happens afterwards is the problem you see all the countries you know which were joined the e.u. were at the peak of their anti-corruption efforts on the day of the accession the next day european union it was not pushing pressing them they started to become very lenient on the fight against corruption and we saw cases like you see my own country we also we saw cases labeled gharyan romania were just a year or two after the session the situation much worse then before the accession process so it is obvious that there was no genuine political will in those countries to fight corruption but they were doing it just because they had to do it because they were under the pressure pressure of the opinion and that's are some immigrants bribing an official can be the only way to stay alive or stay in here up is making the ears corruption problem worse. in all we have. of course there are

situations were. nobody can have any questions about the fake somebody has given the bribe if you're speaking about stink if you're speaking about the city keeping the g.o.p. for sticking stink speaking about getting the job and. those people are being blackmailed by the ones who are accepting bribes of course for money this is still . giving bribes but. there are so many differences we should enable those individuals. not to get punished or are too small to get punished seriously even if that would not be the case. i would take a short break now after the break came corruption by legalizing it and we'll be back with that of course head of the working group on bribery stay with us.

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members of the e.u. they became very lenient this is something that the e.u. high officials have and in visits to from what i understand so do you guys have now mechanisms to fight that once they're eighteen but they're not being lenient but they're being lenient to fight corruption what do you do with that after the coup so familiar bulgaria were the difference or so so. huge between the days before the accession in the day of the recession european commission has developed a system which is called cooperation of verification mechanism which was basically again assessing what those two countries are doing to the fight against corruption in c. is there not fulfilling the current curia said but those mechanisms they were losing hundreds of millions of euros because european commission has frozen the funds which were intended for those two countries because they are not fighting corruption if you take a case of krishna who joined the later stage there are reaping commission was much more careful they were simply asking. to mr gate some concrete cases of

corruption a surprise some evidence that they would really fight corruption in croatia was forced to do it and they. expect this to happen with all future candidates so only deal with accession if you're not be over to do so actually we don't mean the end to the fight against corruption but it would be just one of the faces we should have to reconfirm or sort of afterwards so what do you want to compare in countries like greece and spain which are at its peak of corruption schemes at this point and then he had bulgaria and romania that were to speak five years ago how different are the corruption schemes in those countries if a compare or are they all the same. we're busy corruption schemes are deceiving but there's a huge difference you see. the. new european member states. despite the fact that the state having a lot of problems in the fight against corruption they're closing dig it up between

them in between the old two member states you see there was and i'm afraid there still is. so called the exist so-called double standards for the old you member states there's not so many. mechanisms which you've been in commission supplying as they are applying them towards in european member states so there's a there are different standards if you are an orgy of european member states you can do a lot in the wrong into you will not get even warrant where european commission if you're a new one you'll soon face warnings in associate in the case of a minute ago or so very practical consequences in the form or for frozen european funds and so on and so on now you've been tackling corruption in europe for decades you come from the part of the world. from eastern europe where you understand the

corruption corruption is in some ways part of the political culture what are the most alarming examples of correction on the continent that you personally have come across. one of the most alarming form of corruption is when politicians. winning the elections they think that the state initially has become their reward for their election with other words they take the. winning the election they take it as winning that separation of the treasures which are there in a source so many countries already that. the highest level of politicians were simply destroying the countries for their personal needs because they thought they have right to do it they thought they have right to put all their political allies

on important porton positions not only to give them jobs but also to be sure that those political political allies will serve us into media as in those. grabbing the wealth of the countries. in instilling the richness of all the country's wealth for instance in the united states corruption is practically legalized in the sense that it is called simply lobbying it's transparent it's regulated and it's out of the shadows can legalization parents or it would also say that in the states corruption is legalized not just just here very clear and precise rules. say here are some lobbying they here are so many other things which in. distin eastern parts of europe was to be conceived of corruption was actually a law but what is actually sitting in the state so that's i think is a lobbying united states is something that is leaked out of the shadow but

a lot being in that foreign minister and european countries or western european countries will be considered as corruption nowadays. yeah that's exactly the point you see a lot being that by itself it's not corruption not the difference between lobbying can corruption sort of simply if you lobby you have to convince somebody read the power of the argument if you're corrupting somebody you you convince him or her we depart of the money so and if you make it transparent as it is in the states cities soon some other countries listen in europe or support and has a very good lobbying courageous lucian then of course it is much more difficult to use lobbying form of corruption countries which don't want to do it basically lobbying is still happening but is happening in show it involves a lot of corruption to cascade something have you or your colleagues ever been approached with bribes let's say has anyone ever come up to you and said listen we're going to give you

a bribe mr cause and you lay off the who stopped checking up on us. what happened to us in the police. many of the go in them and say that i would not like to do this to happen again because. you know what i mean that's been fully support let's try to bribe and also shame you know i was once a police officer or a. sinister getting to case one of the suspects approached me and offered me a bribe to bend in the midst of. in the most a that was solicit one of the most worst experience of my life how can it happen to me what did they do that he things that he can bribe me. into such cases you know it's only a very strict correction very clear in your actions which helps otherwise you get exposed again and again but he also fought corruption in the world's richest and poorest countries what different challenges to there actually pose. well there was

for us there is a difference in the forms of corruption if you force of corruption in the poorest countries of the world it is so blatant you can see very easily the only problem is there that people are almost accepting some sort of survival you can see the same forms of corruption in a very sophisticated form although also in the richest countries of the world and they are still expressing their expression the wish to fight it they have the mechanisms in place and that's why the extent of corruption there is not such a big one but still it happens and when you speak to the suspects in the rich countries basically they give you the same excuses for what why they have done it you know i needed it for that i needed for that i didn't know it is wrong so it's basically people or human nature is the same order place is just difference how many cases we do it in whole whole open it is when it happens but i'm just trying

to figure out the scale if you compare the scale of corruption in poor countries there which are kind of i mean when i think about it i'm thinking probably the corruption scale is larger and richer countries but it's better masked that import countries what do you think. well not really because important countries we're dealing three to many many cases of so-called pit to corruption because. it's a low level public officials are forced to take bribes to survive they have to feed their families and for that if their salaries not enough they are forced to take bribes in the extent of corruption there is really huge and because they do it the guys above them they're doing it also in the guise of the doing it also the guy said look at the top they steal millions they don't take it see. a sense or pennies in richer countries the extent of damage caused by one individual case of corruption of course is bigger but they did they don't have petty corruption so

they're dealing pretty high level corruption only which involves much more money but the number of cases is not so big and if you. it is at least it looks that it is investigated prosecuted to adjudicate it as it should be and so with other words there is still a huge difference between rich and poor countries. but this is said before on the case or for many a bulgarian other group in munich country so it's a gap is closing and when technology becoming more and more a part of our life key thing do you think that he will factor in corruption can be minimized well not truly all because technology can help the bad guys and technology can help the good guys and usually as always happens you know the bad guys are all asleep some steps forward. and they're using modern technology is to say. there are tourists in conducting corruption

offenses in a more advanced way. you know when you see the law enforcement services of countries to the police to push for services when they want to apply new technologies for they have to have legal grounds for that then they have to be authorized but the legislation and then they're they have to be usually authorized by digital shorey so this always takes time in the criminalists or with the having to be the sometimes decisive advantage because they're using new technologies. even to increase their wealth and i want to increase their corruption activities but what i meant was that could they get to asking the services help actually what that to be one of the ways hope to prevent you know that would help they see it specifics there was six years if you if you did digital osa let's say the same services one of the golden rules of prevention of corruption can be applied this is so-called one stop system that means you don't have to go to the

authorities to get different pieces of licenses you just do it in one place you don't even have to see the person in place who's deciding on it and of course this is one of the cases how this can be very effective preventive measure thank you very much for this interesting insight and we were talking today about class professional corruption fighter and had of the elysee the working for bond grabber it was great to have you with us for this edition of savvy and color analysis you next time so stay with us.

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