rational debate real discussion critical issues facing them but are you ready to join the movement and walk if they. are all going to sort of be a pill i also feel shevardnadze migration has always been seen as a way to find a better living. than a man from the troubles of your homeland risk conflicts and economic shakeup have brought new orleans of like one strike you're out. stronger. than your neighbors leave in peace and what should be done for that.

population way exposing fortress europe's policy failures immigration is changing and challenging europe polarizing its politics i don't settle it's societies. to extremism be sidelined the fear factor eliminated from the european frontlines. our guest today is tony robinson who used to be the face and leader of the english defense league street protest movement known for its strong anti islam stance tony it's great to have you on this program today now your recent departure from the english defense league surprised if not shocked both your supporters and opponents looking back are you proud of the a.d.l. leadership or disillusioned with it. for out of formal english fancy completely. for too many years in this country working class people been ignored and no one to

listen to their voice and within four years we've built up so much so that people around the world have heard what we're saying they've heard how we feel how we live in down at the bottom there's a massive gap between how people live in and what politicians dare speak about no politicians or none of our political elected leaders will dare to criticize and say the things that need to be said so we form this organization it was it was created for the right reasons it was born out of passion in defense of our armed forces and with progress report many if you look back at all the things we've been highlighting whether it be muslim paedophile grooming gangs which are now being tackled in smash one into the country to the other they were ignored accommodate and facilitate in a conspiracy of silence religious leaders to place leaders political leaders for twenty years only now are they being tackled many issues whether it be s.g.m. . topic with ports or for from which has been affecting us in our communities has now been proven right and proven correct and i believe we've created a platform and a voice and by leave in order to make the decision of really how we get to our own

goal which is we don't want conflict in this country but we're heading there and that's really really is a nice fear and terror is terrifying to think of what the next twenty years might hold for the next generation of youth in our country with complete polaroids communities and complete non integration and complete segregation and now want to leave and work our way if we can solve that we've made a noise about it and that's what we're doing for years said to me are you going to town to feature a d l march. i will not be attending future english defense league marches not. if i thought that was the right way to continue go in i would still be leader of the english tensely so here's what we have right now many in the a.d.l. think you're a coward and a traitor and you appear in no closer to those who have longer post you have a longer post so you're threatening kind of from both sides which way will you go next are you going to maybe get to know the muslim community better. know what i want to do is take it take this may take an opportunity to take this mainstream

basically what we've been saying has been criticized or been ignored and pushed to the margin because of the far right extremists they've managed to give us. more nor eve elements that come to our demonstrations and these matters are too serious to be dismissed so what will it do is put it in the mainstream and make sure people listen to what we're saying rather than ignoring and dismissing the i think already we're getting there since leaving the defense legal believe people are listening now to what we've been saying rather than dismissing us after two minutes here we're starting to sound are they racist or the far right wing hooligans which is what they've managed to stereotype many members of the organization with which is not true a true reflection of the people in the movement that we have had our problems we didn't plan this we started a movement that went sour. quick we've learned along the way we've made mistakes along the way. but we want to do now is work out the best way to use it and yet the we will need to work we have to work with reformist and true moderate muslims in this country what we see in this country is our government seem to be swayed by

saudi petrol money we see the representatives that we see on t.v. representing the muslim community are usually extreme or have links to the muslim brotherhood is the missed organizations which we don't want i believe there's many muslims in this country the time when over and we want to bridge the gap now and have a united front against extremism can i ask you something i see it while still tucked in the real core issues of why we formed we're going to stay true to ourselves. today i see you have a little bruise on your nose did it appear there this has anything to do with you leaving the d l. i've always got bruises on my knee. over the last four and a half years every time i got my house to get confrontation i live in a live in luton town. has been named as a heartland militant islam in britain in europe actually where the seven seven seven seven suicide bombers left from it's the fertilizer bomb plot the stock market will be rather close in my hometown so yes all you have been attacked since leaving. their homes i'm here mostly like what i had to get people out of the problem we have. if it was hostile or hostile muslim youth the difference

put me out which one is an islamist ideology but at the same time as having an islamist ideology we have a very hostile attitude by general muslim youth against those that is breeding the hostilities we have to get to the bottom a lot of what why we have that in our country and and it's causing big problems up and down the country in many communities which is why this is resentment going on. but of course i have been for in boy people from the genuine far right what would you know what we're doing in this country is anyone who's critical of islam we're calling far right which is dangerous which we should be doing because there are genuine fears and concerns there is a legitimate far right they represent five percent of the for this country with a knife or a percent for this country from islamist terrorists or divulging. the genuine far outweighs with me because they were outraged at me for last four and a half years they've been on the fringes of the english to for defense league trying to hijack it trying to get their sway and direct in a way they want to go which is not what i've been wanting to do from day one i

believe in an all inclusive society they haven't been happy that they hate me had attacked from the far right for four and a half years i believe in a race traitor and as you just said now are people i'm a coward or a traitor. or i'm going to move forward in attacking and defeat in the islamist ideology in this country is not cowardice what was the decision we made was the hardest decision what would be more cowardice it's just a leaf which would've made my family a lot happier but by doing the move we made. it in with quilliam it sends a strong message. of what we see is the way forward in you know in communities to tackle the extremist elements within all communities. now your stance on. the ology has suffered somewhat from what i understand what do you think of it now what do you make of islam as of now. actually. more stance hasn't actually done or softened at all if people listen to us say what i've been saying for half years which may have been distorted or lost in translation due to

actions at demonstrations is what i'm saying now is the fact that i don't hate muslims i believe muslims are the first victims of islamist ideology they're also victims of terrorism. and there's a big struggle going on not just in this country is going on across europe the world between decent moderate muslims and salafist be extremely sexy islam and it's a struggle that i believe the moderates made use as they've lost in many many countries but then we've seen that boys in the in egypt in some places now to succeed in this country we have to support and stand with the limbs that wish to take on this extremist ideology and political islam which is what we've done by making this move. so my stance is the same a stance is that there are great muslims but there is a serious problem imbedded within the ideology which has been used. with saudi money and it needs tackling and we should char way from tackling these issues and we've got most politicians brave enough to even criticize or point out the problem

long please identify the problem if you can identify i'm not going to solve it but i didn't tell no one we love nest and everything everything's working just great just out into the problem i was going to ask you have you read the koran yourself. i've read the koran yes i've read the koran. i was quite surprised with many of the things i found the koran for in times it says you can take numbers from women to sexual slaves with the muslim grooming paid for rings in this country we have muslim men take enormous when we're in a sexual slave so maybe it's got nothing to do with that scripture maybe but maybe it's been manipulated in a way to justify the way these men are carrying on so there's there's many things that alarmed me. obviously it's all down to interpretation because there's many other muslims in this country who for the same crime who don't want to talk people's heads off for murder and kill it has to be interpretation because you know what took place in the security state in the middle ages wasn't propagated in bible

either so it has to be a question of interpretation thing the right way but anyway as you say both the anti and pro islam movements are adding to their problem no it's starting right so what is the problem do you have a solution. to have a solution yeah if someone wants to be an islamist in this country we need to make it very very difficult for them we do not we do we do not need to be set up and legitimize and allow him one hundred one hundred in this country we do we need to take a tough stance against all of it right now we have immigrants coming to this country who we don't know if even samantha braithwaite could have walked into this country we're just adding to the problem we don't know most cannot regulate or moderate in any way in this country so every time we see an undercover documentary every single time i think last week we saw that eighteen out of fifty six mosques agreed to marry children muslim young fourteen year old girls treatment so every time we see it we see hatred we see homophobia we see all these problems and no one's got a solution to even tackling the problems the non-evil wants to hold or try to stop

and they just want to keep building allowing saudi arabia qatar and iran to fund millions and millions of pounds worth of building of mosques in this country where then they have them addresses where current. one hundred thousand four to sixteen year old children who have been schooled in these madrassas which is encouraging complete non integration within the society is not going to work to at least tackle the problem we have to establish how we can attempt to solve it and that's more whole in the influx of foreign money coming into this country to build religious institutions also religious into tommy i'm going to ask you to be more precise and i'll tell you why because in other european countries for instance in france it's not just a case of mosques being monitored right but when men aren't being allowed to wear headscarves in the universities so are you just against the extreme forms of islam or and would you just be happy to see british muslims assimilated be more british.

yeah of course that's what we want not what we want and never be just seeing go we want integration but we haven't got it so we have to find out why we haven't got it and try to bring it about what you say about women not being so way headscarves in france so often that's completely wrong i have no problem with a heads up i do have a problem that i believe in certain institutions in schools in banks in airports in places like this so when he says security they should be banned when you say in france i believe that that's in schools that they have no religious wear i don't believe that six and seven year old children should be when he jobs if another lady wish to wear one then so be it no no i'm not going in this country actually cares of muslims want to practice their religion in their own faith in their own way is what it's not dominate in arms and we're the first to our culture and our belief and we have these should resign where people are violently enforcing it and this in the indoctrination of young children so great britain which is what we're saying. we're going to take a short break now we'll be back with tommy robinson the founder and former leader

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welcome back i'm talking to tony robinson founder of the notorious english defense league which he recently has left good to have you back now the a.d.l. labeled as a neo nazi movement could the way they're going is ation operates right now be fueling the new brave ix. the a.t.o. is not actually labeled as neo nazi organization media and far left organizations may wish to do that but the metropolitan police force have a extremism unit which classifies organizations far right far left we have scripts like the national front who are extreme far right the me of the british national party who are far in the media all smack bang in the center so it's not it's not a nazi organization yes it's had its problems where we thought from within to keep nazis out of the organization britain doesn't really have the same similar problems across europe with neo nazis being as poor as powerful and strong as they are in

other countries. blessed for that really but we do have a growing problem which will grow with islamist threat because when we take away any platform for a healthy center for a debate by labeling anyone who says anything is far right we actually drive and push people to the far right which is what we're hoping to do is open up a healthy platform and when you when you talk about hundreds brevik if you talk if you take his manifesto i think it's page sixteen hundred eighty three he described the english defense league as noisy force he said of what the two ideologies can never be reconciled and we believe democracy can solve the problems and that we also welcome people from africa and different continents to be leaders within the organization which he was completely opposed to so really trying to liken it. to quote pay very high school is miles apart and i am not trying to equal it hundreds brevik i'm just saying do you think a movement e.t.l. could breed someone like him i'm not saying it's

a fascist movement but it has been labeled by many as their you know what yeah. but how it related yeah but a great. if we look what grades what what what what grade undergrad. was a silence from anyone to tackle the issue he said that he actually drain the media people in the media for. his reasoning for why he done it now do i believe that if we continue down the path here we will create monsters in this country as well as in europe monsters like under the brevik so what you're saying is that brave exactly bred by government's ignorance to attempt to immigration issues are you on your calls being heard by the ruling elite what i'm saying is that that's what he said no i'm saying that's what he said his his reason for doing it we've been hoping for half years that bike and elm street we we saw label as a cry for help so that people listen to how we're living because that the government are not living in towns and cities like where i come from they're miles

apart and their sorrow touch with what it's like and what i found was really got their finger on the pulse of the amount of resentment and anger when i look around more country and i see what's happening to it hurts me emotional when i see what's becoming of our great country and we don't want no other woman and as far as every farmer in this country should have a duty to hand down a safe and prosperous britain to the next generation and we're failing miserably in juvie unlike what our forefathers died and sacrifice themselves for we are failing due to this era of this being created of political correctness and cultural sensitivity where people are too scared to even speak about these issues because we don't want conflict and inevitably the way things are going the heading towards conflict and everything we want to do is to avoid that but to avoid it we need to really get it to get to the root cause of the problems and at least be able to discuss them and try to work out solutions to not just burying them under the carpet and keep hoping that they'll go away because they want to walk away and as demographics in this country or increase in islamic communities increase in within

that community the problems are with increase in the resentment from the norm in communities increase in this is not heading down a good path in your hometown luton white britons are actually an ethnic minority could that be soon the same for here as a whole. it will be the same it's not it's not good it will be demographic statistics this is not scaremongering this is facts on average an hour in britain a muslim community having five point six children not muslims and one point three that wouldn't really be a problem if we didn't have all these problems associated with it now year in luton britons are an ethnic minority that does not actually doesn't bother me in a home town of course not when it's a multicultural town our believe and if benefit from that but. a culture within the islamic community what we have is when we see the growth of islam across europe within that culture the negative things are coming with it and it is change in the whole area a change in the rules is changing laws changing the food

a lot of things are changing there are so different. issues that people need to be express a lot people are fearful you see the you talk a lot people are worried and they would be worried if when we look to islamic leaders such as when we saw different islamic leaders the iranian president say in the islamic europe freedom through the woman's womb is that this is not things that we are sane we can just go online and you can listen to even shelly malik in this country he was elected who is the second in charge of gordon brown in a speech he says in two thousand and one we had one muslim m.p. in two thousand. and two thousand and five with six of them in peace and six thousand. he says within twenty years every m.p. in this country will be muslim and in between saying each thing he says inshallah which is our will in so it certainly is willing to take over our parliament our government and then he says within thirty years of. prime minister of this country will share our faith now that's what he's saying is no we're saying that's what they're saying now should we be fearful that well we don't vote based on religion

we keep religion and politics need to be completely separate but with the islamic community that's not what's happening so what we will see is people vote in purely because he's a muslim and that's what charlene malik is telling us so we can look to any country in europe and we find muslim leaders and community leaders saying these sort of things and if if muslim leaders spend they spend ninety five percent of time attacking people who are criticizing islam whereas if they spend ninety five percent of their time attacking the problems within the ideology within their communities the big no need for people like ourselves organizations are formed because we can solve the problem so i think that it's be a revolution within muslims within europe see that the road we're going down and only one. if they want freedom they want democracy and they want to live in they want all these great things that come to the western world for then they need to stand up to me do you think. a european country in any time in a feature could actually elect and last one president. yes of course it will it will it's not if what we've seen in belgium recently if it is we've seen the

creation of a shari'a party extremist islamist section similar to what we have in this country of anjem choudary we've seen them form form a political party and they've been voted in by muslims so in a way certain sections of the islamic community will wish to use our democracy to end of the moxi because we've seen on the cover documentaries in tower hamlets which is being called the islamic islamic power of time it's where the men live to rome and was kicked out of the labor party for its extremist ties and links his spiritual leader describes all non muslims of. all these problems so he's an extremist with all these links to i feel all these organizations who wish to get a caliphate state and in the instruction of shariah law in britain he's the mayor in charge of a billion pound budget because he has been elected to that position and then since he's got into his position he started site in the fund in a way for many moderate islamic organizations any real moderates which are in uproar and if they're not they're upset by what's going on there but the money taxpayers' money has been sort of the way to islamist groups to my dresses this is

and that needs to be seen as a blueprint for towns and cities across this country and europe so when we look towards going on. well if you look at his butt here in this country who are political organization they had a conference in two thousand and seven ten thousand people at the conference of a population of just three percent of the country now the labor party can even get ten thousand people so when it comes to politics and the political sway you have in the islamic community it's worrying you know here by the way many mccrae nations are banned in many european countries but given the freedom to reign in our country many critics like yourself also say that hero is changing greatly because of immigration and they have believed they believe a culture lifestyle general behavior is changing around the major cities in europe so you don't believe there could be a peaceful make over of europe. there could be a pay for make over if we tackle it now if we leave it alone this country or five

percent of the population are muslim if we wait until there's twenty twenty five percent and then we start trying to tackle these hard core issues of outlawing shari'a but in the bercow these sort of issues that need addressing we won't be able to level to so we need to get to grips with it now we need to remove islamist voices from communities we need to stop empowering them by supporting them and working with them in a government level and council local council levels and we need to empower there's many muslim voices in this country who are opposed to all the things on the poster we need to empower them we need to call all muslims to stand up because if they wish to live in britain and we wish to have a harmonious society in a cohesive society we need to change the direction we're going down. and obviously to bring about change people's feelings get hurt and this is where at the minute it's not time for to turn around people's feet this is time to stand on their feet and so these are the hard core issues that we have to solve if we wish to avoid massive massive civil disorder or big problems in the future and that's when it's

time to get to now is to solve these problems do i believe that they can be solved i hope so you know i mean you have a time you know you know you know the the other side of this story and that is the major concern from the other side is of course their return to fascism but this time with muslims that's the target and i'm not talking about britain in particular but in europe. there were if you look across europe what you see is the fastest growing political parties and every single country in the un is a misplay group wise now why why is that so why is that because everyone in all these countries across europe feel the same they feel like we haven't been asked and we think we feel like we've been treated as second class citizens and that's how we feel and that there's a two tier system going on across the board you seem very dependent predicted to be the next leader leader in france is across the country and that's because there's a problem so unless they tackle the problem people get pushed further and further so i think. and in europe. what surprised me is when the forming english defense

league aside then talking to other european groups and looking into what was happening i was appalled and scrapes and shock of what's happened in sweden in momo you notice differences in france i was shocked to see where no one asked about my eyes to the problems of being a kurd and what we have to ask yourself is we've had immigration into britain we've had the sikh community the hindu community to us in the community always community we haven't had the same problems and the same issues so we have the the issues are coming from the islamist ideology which has been allowed to flourish and spread across europe unchallenged and it's not just been allowed it's been facilitated and supported by a hard left far left agenda which many of these far list communists or marxist organizations which are very prominent in europe as well are siding with the islamists because they hate democracy they hate the rule of law they say is the biggest way of bringing down all the all of the things that we cherish our freedoms that we enjoy there's like a very loose coalition from organizations you would think would have

a coalition across europe and that what that is out into is the rise of the far right politics. thank you so much for the center of you and that's it for today fabs our guests was tommy robinson founder and former head of even yell thanks for watching all of the an exhibition of so be in rome. clean more zero casualties war this is the great fantasy of war mongering politicians. capturing people is this see what do you do if the innocent

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