those who investigated the incident hartman first bypassed a document checker while he was examining a family's boarding pass then she slid right on by then she did the same thing at the gate a family was boarding and she just walked right around them and got onto the plane of course officials are being quick to point out that she did go through the screening process for any prohibited items as if that will make us trust in their security we can all rest assured that this completely unknown woman was not carrying more than an ounce of shampoo she was completely safe with other words according to the t.s.a. just like that little boy who climbed the fence and got into the wheel well of a plane also in fact it was a recently he was nothing to worry about either more than sixty billion taxpayer dollars have gone to the t.s.a. in the thirteen years of existence and yet a sixty two year old woman just waltzed onto a plane undetected in california don't worry though that money has gone to

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hello and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle as russian the west slowly turn away from each other the term pivot to asia takes on greater meaning and importance especially this pivot is all about china and its continued rise on the global stage this all translates into a multi-polar world that challenges washington's doctrine of full spectrum dominance. cross-talk the multipolar world i'm joined by my guest rodney shakespeare in london he is a political and economic. democrat and co-founder of the global justice movement in

washington we have a son rory he is a independent defense consultant as well as a specialist in great power relations in trans national security and here in moscow we crossed a marks for boulder he is a senior lecturer in researcher at moscow state university or gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect and you can jump in anytime you want and i very much appreciate rodney if i can go to you first. ukraine it was the. a moment that people are focusing on but the united states and. its allies have been turning away from russia or never embraced russia since the end of the cold war and we see the two kind of moving in different directions i mean i can tell you for sure a lot of people here have had enough dealing with the west because well it's not doesn't keep to its own values it's put it that way so what does it mean to you when russia looks to the east i mean are we moving towards a legitimate multi-polar or order well you should have said russia and many other countries are moving away from the west. the economic power is shifting away from

the west america has exported millions of jobs and the dollar is going to some point it's going to crash on the political front the situation is horrific the usa has bombed thirty civilian populations since nine hundred forty five it's who are involved in the overthrow in the successful overthrow of fifty governments and if they democratic the usa gets in there and overthrows them one thinks of the randian one hundred fifty three one thinks of say the congo in one thousand nine hundred eighty three a lend day in chile in one nine hundred seventy three and then look at the u.s.a.'s marler farty its caps i mean look at the latest outrage it was actually michelle obama rightly saying bring back our two hundred or three hundred kidnapped girls but she forgot to say that her husband and his immediate predecessors would have killed roughly about one hundred. thousand goals in the last say

about two decades so you see the weld is waking up it is turning away and if you look at the precipitating circumstance if you crane. agreement to say the world is politically back economically bankrupt and that's from morality forget it morality is going outside the window so yes a multi-polar world is fos developing aside what is this multipolar world going to look like because china doesn't go in there's a joint military alliances what kind of relationship we see russia's pivot to the to eight years well what kind of relationship is china in russia going to have moving forward when i think. china is looking for a sphere of influence and china is a rising power as this is having a lot of lot of success and lot of it is causing a lot of irrigation in the asia pacific russia russia has a different perspective russia has always been a great power russia was

a superpower in the soviet union was in the russia is is as you point out in your in your interview at the russian perspective is that it has been ignored his interest has been ignored they have been ignored and there were certain policy that the united states did not abandon in the aftermath of the cold war that when they do expansion and you know with nato expansion major nato expansion and is it expansion i remember reading several books after after the collapse of the soviet union with where we have we had given. assurances the nato would not expand would not come to russia's border borders and then we just went ahead and do it so from russia's perspective contingent is very much alive so russia and china have to have always wanted to have a multiple to work now what's happening is in the in the aftermath of. economic meltdown they couldn't make situation has has not has not been favoring you know

the us interests so in the aftermath of that mark that pulled out of the has become more fit reality now ukraine crisis is in my estimation at least was probably more one of the most recent examples of russia's greater titian i remember president putin's comment everybody remembers that he said that the collapse of the soviet union was the greatest disaster of the twentieth century so you know people who are who are who are making america's foreign policy and deal d. and d. o. s. and various. bureaucracies should have been studying this that perspective and should have adjusted our foreign policy accordingly so from my point of view i'm sad to say that that perspective would not was not it was not formed it would continue and was very much alive and nato and nato expansion were very much alive now a new variable has been that if new if a country which is not a member of the e.u. or nato becomes for you first becomes member of the e.u.

and then it moves on to join nato so that kind of you know it send wrong signals to do with the russia and russia or ukraine as it is it is it is a different a different story but you know russia is a little more w.d. i think a thing that russian success in in making a big big dent in the uni polar world was the case of syria russia's cooperation with you on is another example that russia wants to make it make a serious dent in the fast to do my seeing the point of war so you know these things are very significant russian chinese exercises military exercises are literally exciting exercise is but most recent exercise is a good example of a kind of russian collaboration for that little sheet and let's talk about this kind of collaboration you know mark it's interesting. that the statement according president putin that the collapse of the soviet union was the worst catastrophe of

the twentieth century but it's very interesting again if you look at the context of this if you were to read the next few lines of that speech because i remember in watching it live he talked about how people fell into despair economic catastrophe people finding themselves on the wrong side of the border it's much more then it wasn't even about lamenting the passage of the soviet union as a great power but would when its collapse came about the results of it and that's what he was lamenting most you know and there's there's a lot of people in this country and in use that you're an expert on it i've been living here for a long time there are people here that are absolutely fine turning away from the west because the west never gave russia very much respect ok they can go to western europe and you know go shopping and whatnot but because it is the biggest consumer market in europe but they don't have to adopt western values they can have their own values. yeah to be specific when putin was saying that he was referring to a geopolitical catastrophe. as to the this gap of this

gap that is emerging between western and not only russian values but i think the values of much of the rest of the world i think we are seeing here. a clash of civilizations as huntington termed it early in the one nine hundred ninety s. not precisely as he dictated it but it is becoming a. conflict of cultures and of civilizations and a primary to that is the western belief you could call it a logical and messianic in the superiority of its own values which it views as universal huntington said in the emerging world of ethnic conflict and civilizational clash the western belief in the universe ality of western values suffers three problems it is false it is a moral and it is dangerous and that is exactly what we've seen with

this attempt to spread western values both by hooking crook you know first through the vector of neo liberal globalisation and consumerism but also through these military adventures particularly since the advent of the war on terror in the two thousands which has first antagonized the rest of the world. and has really put the world order as it was defined in the un charter its belief in sovereignty and non interference in domestic affairs has really dented that has caused a severe shake up there. but also it has really hastened the. line of the u.s. probably by about two decades by the immense amount of resources that it has wasted

and for so little accomplishment every state that the us has touched from iraq afghanistan haiti libya syria now ukraine has resulted in absolute chaos and destruction on the ground there is not a single positive example of successful nation building after this u.s. interference that. can be you know noted on and this waste of resources this untag an ization of the rest of the world has actually accelerated the emergence of a multi-polar world order by probably about two decades rodney you were shaking your head in agreement you want to add to that. well yes that was said there's not been a single example of successful nation building it gets down to. a successful nation destruction going back one quick point that has been and is military cooperation

between russia and china for the last ten years at least it takes the form of the shanghai cooperation organization i think but the essence of the matter now is the recognition of the economic bankruptcy of the west the political bankruptcy and the moral bankruptcy that does not necessarily mean to say that other models other ways of thinking are necessarily the best or there is sort of one way forward but it does mean that everybody is now exploring ways of cooperation in military fields in technology in finance trying to create new banking systems which are free from american control and in this way a new world is actually developing in practice though it can be a like to be a very rough and ready process all right gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the multipolar world.

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some and i'd like to go back to you in washington i think a lot of people tend to forget that the type of world system we have right now is rather anomalous it doesn't happen very often in and human history where one power is so dominant in so you know polar world right now and we see cracks in that mark was very good indeed describing that what a lot of people would like to see a multipolar world is to reign in american power american excesses because it has been extremely excessive since the end of the cold war. being a multi-polar world will bring greater balance and this is what i think a lot of people want to work towards well i understand that i i understand the russian perspective i understand the chinese perspective and priorities about. moving the war or away from from the from unipolarity and what i'm going to say instead of every strategic level. all great powers have to have fears of influence

our garbage powers want to be dominant and you know these notions dry all great powers that include russia as united states and as well as china so what is happening now since the two thousand and eight i don't know how to how much of my comments you heard because i was disconnected as i was seeing the aftermath of the two told in a tone. google environment has been more favorable for they were russian and more bipolar world which is favored by about oh here in china sort of russia is doing very well china is doing very well in maintaining its year of influence in central asia china is doing very well in maintaining a sphere of influence in. in the east east asia the united states is. based on i mean the problem is here i'm sometimes going to stay with you here the problem is here is that the united states wants to keep it a you know polar world this is why it keeps going after russia's periphery it's so

it's in circling china militarily i mean they want to keep it this way full spectrum dominance and this is where push comes to shove because i agree with you a lot of the what the natural course of things is that major countries have major powers have their spheres of influence and that's not necessarily a negative thing it's a natural thing here but washington doesn't want anybody to have spheres of influence it only wants to have its own and with its allies. you know you know peter because i agree with you i have no problem with that sigman but no great power is going to allow its demise willingly or cooperate of the only example is with britain's demise as a great power when united states became became a successor but there was a congress of interest between between those two countries now russia. and russia are now and united states they have conflicting interests that have been competitive interests but you're right i think our biggest flaw is where i'm

concerned we have maintained our policy of containment containment of china continued contingent of russia we have a policy of nato expansion which russia did not like every single president. since the bush sr well has been has been expanding nato even though we gave them we gave assurances to russia that we are going to expand nato and when it comes to ukraine it's a special issue. we have studied history when we have forgotten history so you know we have to we have to have some new approach toward this we do need you know a problem here is it go ahead roger jump in go ahead and london. peter american containment of countries is in fact american expansionism when everyone got the them on the road doctrine that was all in no let's expand into south america and containment today is a policy which puts the usa and its allies right up against other countries it's no

good saying that it's in the nature of countries like human beings to want to dominate or to expand what you ultimately have to have as with liberty inside a country if you have to have the spreading of power democracy means nothing without the spreading of economic power in fact economic democracy is the only thing that matters and in the big wide world out there when you have one country dominating that is in fact an outrage the usa has got special operations troops and one hundred twenty four countries they're the ones who are doing anything from smearing the character of people to assassinations this is because there is an american sumption that what it stands for is of worth all the trouble with the usa does not economically democratic i won't go into the figures on that and by the way it's scared of a civil war it's got two billion dumb dumb bullets they use the civil war against its own population this country is failing and it's going down and there are new

countries arising but please don't talk to me about containment containment is american expansionism and it's been like that for many many decades markie it seems to me that there is this crisis that we know we can look at what happened with syria with libya now with ukraine it seems to me in your opinion on it it seems really the us is in a race or the washington consensus is in a race because it does see china it does see that it's alienating russia russia and china have good relations i don't see them in a mil a military alliance i don't see that at all but having very good cordial relations and eight counterbalance to the west victoria nuland in her elk are in a hurry. because they know they have to get this full spectrum dominance domination very very quickly it was talking about a decade or if the game is over yeah i think they're definitely you're correct that they are in a race against the clock because they see that there is these inevitable forces

that have to do with the shifting of global capital flows from west to east which you could point its roots as early as you know the bretton woods agreement this is kind of the drawing in of china into the global economy these are inevitable but and this will inevitably have a result on the u.s. is last remaining real source of. power over the rest of the world which is its conventional military dominance and this is fading now i disagree that the united states does not recognize the multipolar world they've recognized that for a while the national intelligence council in two thousand and eight put out the global trends twenty twenty five report which was all about analyzing the emerging multi-polar world. it's fairly accurately and must be said and even in two thousand and nine during one of joe biden's visit to the ukraine he quite facetiously stated that the united states is trying to build a multi-polar world that the u.s.

is trying to build a multi-polar world that recognizes it's happening but it wants it to emerge in a form that is of its own choosing and that feels is reflective of its values and the way it hopes to do that is by tying the rest of the world into the the institutions of global governance and other internet international organizations which propagate its values and they've run into a number of problems the complete failure of the g eight the subversion of the g twenty. the failure of the world trade organization to continue its mission and i think. we can look at the trans-pacific partnership as one of the last big gasps and it's not only of an attempt to a near a liberal cement the pacific in with the united states with this free trade agreement but it will also be the. core the economic core if you will

to further the development of a military spear of containment and alliance against an emerging china in the pacific and i think most of the world should probably hope. that this this attempt to construct a trans-pacific partnership fails son in washington. many people talk about washington's overreach militarily and its alliances here again how does it balance all of that because it has commitments all over the place right now it's baiting russia it's we have the president going to the pacific saying they're going to defend south korea defend the philippines defend eccentrics center this is a very interesting point in history for the united states because it has so many different commitments and with allies that have very different agendas. yes and we yes we have different agendas really egypt is not as

a part of the which is which is perceived by by by china as containment but you know you are going to. guess are making. a big deal and i don't want to share that notion number one number two they are discussing united states in the past as if the united states and united states dominance in democracies is a done deal what i'm arguing is that in the medium of dipolar war or russia russia's interests have interests have to be respected and that is something that is being argued for this side of the atlantic and e.u. is also arguing that russia's interests have to be have to be recognized russia is a great power russia is definitely can be can be a recognized as a want to be good partner or one of the superpower that has russia as a good power so you know all of these this collision of interests that right no is creating a situation an uncertain situation in which the dominoes the united states is there

your writing is the main piece in the military realm but you know we are going to exploit that we are exporting that in the in the asia pacific and we're not going to give that up and we are doing that lead to africa in fighting terrorism so you know no dominant power is going to be our no great power no uni polar in the unit system no dominant power is going to say ok our demise is a done deal well defined you have to take this take these keys and and take over and that's going to happen ok i mean i think you need to make it wrong i mean a lot of it already here in london right now it seems to me one of the america's greatest exports is to export chaos. if i could just comment on the ten years yes america thinks it's got ten years to sort of effectively get full spectrum dominance but i don't think so i think the situation is speeding off. at any point now perhaps even within the next eighteen months there will be

a sudden crack in the financial economic path the usa with the point that you're making how does america spread its commitments all the way around the world and when that. collapse comes the u.s. power will be suddenly broken and at that point there will be this huge danger of world war because people go to war to hide their own fadia all said and done though this great movement to multi-polar arrangements and connections between the countries the usa and the west losing and we could be going to a dangerous period but on balance i am optimistic about the future all right gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks many thanks to my guest in london washington and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here see you next time and remember.

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