and he's here today to share his extraordinary life story with us. there are three hundred thousand child soldiers in the world most of them affording in africa. dragged into war deprived of families forced to kill. children make good soldiers how does one escape such a fate and what happens if they do. a manual joel child soldier turned hip hop artists welcome it's great to have you on our show today i just want to go back and remind our viewers where you started you were only about seven years old when your mother was killed in a second sudanese civil war then you became a child soldier and were told that a k forty seven would be your only parent that it would be taking care of you from now on this is how you really felt that your life depended on this weapon to survive. or less so more so when you're in

a training center you actually train to be told the gun is your father and your mother so your life depend on on it and saw. it's a it's a situation where people get transform and good brainwashed to. to do whatever i do and that you're being trained to focus so the call is to become more powerful than you believe in because you're told even if your father is again is this cause you. know another thing that you have said that the children who joined the rebels they wanted to revenge did you at that age understand what revenge was. well i remember. want to eventual us then but now i can't put it into the words i was really angry as a kid you see when you lost everything you own and. everything that is your world disappear in front of you in your toe your mother is gone and then because the war

itself different people experience it differently and now when you're told that people are destroying your home they're in such a such a police and you're given a description you don't need to think twice so you want to act out of their emotions at that moment. going to war and becoming a soldier i just wonder what it's like for a kid after talk to a man who joined the army in world war two at the age of twelve i've just talked to him recently now what he was telling me is that for him it was never an adventure and a thrill more than anything else what was it like for you was it again elissa first . well children don't or you only die once so you kind of live don't understand or you don't know when you die it so a death moment you're taken by adrenaline you want to know what's going on but for

me my desire and i wanted to kill as many muslims and arabs as forcible this was one second i wanted a bike. well is that children don't know that he only die once and that's because they're actually fearless state don't know where it's about but did you ever fear that you were going to be killed did you think about that. yes sometimes you know. the thing that i didn't warn was i didn't want to get shot in my are there on my leg broken i actually prefer to die than to be injured because i've seen people who have been injured how they cry. and so in like a kid you know it's like in your head you choose where would i be shot and so on of the show where this meat will not break in my bone not my own i know of my mouth and my leg so you for do you know that's how you think as a child in the real war and it happen the bullet. depend whichever place it's aim it doesn't care where to shoot have you ever been one dead i've

been wounded definitely but not a gun. well this one think is sad actually mark me as just wanting a bicycle now when the army was recruiting q did they give you any incentives did they tell you like if you take a gun and kill people that will give you something in return for example a bicycle or were you just doing it for free were you getting any a warrant whatsoever for what you were doing you know those nori awards or such like somebody being paid for doing something you know the country has been destroyed people were fighting for their survival so and you could see from the articles that there's something you know when you go to a house and you attack the people in the house and that children there will try to join in fighting but now this is not the villagers this is like the whole community this is all tribe uniting again it's. a force that want to wipe them out as we do

not know that they want to wipe us out we don't know what was the reason for the war in fact when when the war how can i call it the world was ending because my mother here tells me a we're all the children of god and one day the world is going to end and people are going to turn and it's our and so you look at it as a child you just get confused with different messages. and so i didn't really understand what was going on but now i have an idea of what actually was happening . when you were at the camp what were you told were told why you were fighting were you trained at all or you were just given guns and told go and shoot i'm sure you were trained in the come it was a difficult trainings six to eight months. first starting in the cam it was a violent entrance so were there on bush to us and all of beaten so people were

running you drop your back you actually forget yourself so it's like a separate ing us from being loving w when we're coming we're singing songs holding hands with this guys are hiding in the bush and they just started whipping us beating and i was really angry that time i said the first person i was shoot when i finished training would be my trainer or look for the people of beating us because you don't understand why they just beating you for no reason so those scaring you sit down get out you look behind someone to slap you kick you for no reason you can't talk you can do anything he was an exciting to be trained it was terrifying because i'm sure an even died in the training. did you ever go back to see your trainers after you graduated and never. i can't even remember any of them now but at mile tell me a little bit about this fighting itself weren't there actual battles or were there

are more like raids those bottles and depend where. and how your i want to explain it so there's different grades this being invaded where you are on this when you're tekken going to a bottle scale but did the other side also use children soldiers. yes sometime they do know they depend of the government was more of them aren't they hard child soldiers only in the malicious no malicious. but in their are chill on in behalf of the real trained soldiers that fight because they're getting paid. they have a salary. you know i spoke to a british mercenary who also fought in africa when he was younger salman man i don't know if you've heard of them and he told me that he viewed child soldiers just like any other soldiers know what you were fighting did you feel your enemies

or like just normal soldiers so you the same way despite your age well you're just trained to fight if it's a semi that's your enemy and for a child soldiers are the worse they're very sensitive you know they come and the reason why they like using child soldiers is because. they don't have plants they don't have children so they don't know our idea of the future so they can actually scream and go forward and mostly they're very brave sometime the worst thing you surveyed really get terrified it's hard to convince them to to try to. do you remember the first time you killed someone. own say like i actually did one remember me killing somebody myself but i was in an octave

situation where we did more justice or the other people just i mean it was your bullet that shot the person. did you think about what was going on at that moment or was just like too much of an adrenaline rush and you had no time to stop and analyze. you get scared before you want to go to the toilet several times. your trucks are dry you know your stomach your body shakes you know so many things happened so many thing goes on in your have at that moment you go silent you want in the world you know sometimes like your legs can move but after the battle begins you know the rhythm of the gun itself it's it goes with the flow it takes you over. now to the battlefields a musical you know when there is war it's very musical when he may and does not

come home. it's like that sounds of the guns it's like they flow the reason especially if you're very far or you're very sometime your gun even you can't even hear the sound of your gun you know so maybe when it's shocking you know when you're into it so much you know and then the other thing is when what the other experiences when you're not in the battlefield when you're sleeping another people are fighting it's like you know when the bullets to stop because it's like a duck duck duck moment that duck duck duck out of a car bomb so it's it's almost like there's a bee the blue and then you just see a boom the big sound it's like a bass so you just warn the explosion to continue in the sounds but is this something that you actually wherein you and that have junior music later on that rhythmic sounds and the feeling of the rhythm they experience

during the war no actually i became i'm doing what i'm doing not because i planned it i think it's something that process and it's accidental was unplanned. amanda we are going to take a short break right now now when we come back we're going to continue to talk to. a hip hop star right now who grew up as a child soldier in sudan and we'll talk more about how he escaped from the war and how he became a pop singer stay with us. join

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to have you with us you're on t.v. today i roll researcher. now we're back with emmanuel jale a hip hop artist who was a soldier rain his childhood fighting in the sudanese civil war. now i know that young children not even teenagers but really long young like seven or eight like you where you are still lives as soldiers in africa looking back do you feel like children make good fighters there are sad to be more cooler than the grown ups that there's nothing more dangerous than a kid with

a rifle would you agree with that. yeah because they don't thanks to our second small uneven our bill costs next to them they think that person will snipe their gun you don't negotiate with a child soldier and they tell you stop you have to stop if you try to talk too much ensued talk and then shoot you. now i guess when you guys were taken to the camps and you were taken away from your families the only thing that you have is that you're there did you make any close friends when you were in a camp or when you were fighting yeah i had a lot of childhood friends and you know you're told to be brother skip press so your fellow soldiers your brother you know and because you both of you only got each other so in the battlefield happened you could be injured and your fellow soldier come carter you there's no hard feelings you can afford to hate any any of

your members when you're in the same place because when the war happen and you know you can be hurt and also if you're going to leave your fellow soldier one day into an issue you're not a good person they can actually shoot you because they don't want to die right themselves. or if they're really nice in they like you they can actually give you a cover for you to skip if they're injured so they have to be nice to each other what would happen to the kids who would refuse to take part in training in fighting they get punished or if you try to escape and go and say you're from remember us they know where you're from members are and they're going to cause from your home now for you i mean it will be fair to say that you yourself chose to stop what was the turning point when he escaped the soldier's camp how did you manage that. well actually i didn't plan an escape it was planned by others and i just

joined them and it was a difficult journey because in the way a lot of people died. in one of my friend was dying and come you will is i'm started i was tempted to eat my friend actually because my senses change and those one of the lowest points and then i arrived in place called the world where i was rescued by british aid worker or smuggle me to kenya well we're going to get in a second but i just really want to know what was that turning point that made you escape made you say to yourself that say i need to go yeah. because i'm glad and so even when i ask one of the guys say to him we've been planning it for a while we can tell you because you have a big mouth and you're going to get us in trouble so it's because they ended up going with them i realize that we're skipping late on because i thought is just a normal way of going to one place where we're going to deliver. on the nations or

support or check our people injured or just going for patrol somewhere so he didn't know you were going to walk literally a class the whole country. and you said some of you people who were actually moving with you died how did you manage to survive. well this was difficult i actually i probably knew after six hours of exam events and i was able to know where actually skipping so if i survived waiting on snails vultures anything that we could find in the january days we started to eat the roots of the trees the plantation other people got poison was a difficult difficult journey also d.-i direction people died of durations so i'll say those lucky that i survived but i kept myself positive that tomorrow's going to come where between two to four hundred young people mix with other dogs

and only sixteen people survive the journey. and now we come to emma mccune a british aid worker who actually saved you how did you come across or and most importantly why did you trust her well what happened is ended up in a place called a watch. and she and her friends to design me and then promise me to take me to school and i always wanted to go to school but in my mind is i had a different plan i said i'm going to go to this lady's country and go to school join the army become a pilot and still a plane and come back toward that's what i had in my head but everything changed later so it was all about the bicycle school and an airplane. it. you know in your train into that as a child so it took a while

a long transformation. well unfortunately am i died soon after that in a car crash and you know there was no one else to take care of you what did you do after that. i was lucky our family members took it and that's different people can possibly and life became really difficult so this is where the music came and took an opportunity and this is where i was able to to heal myself because i used to have a lot of night mandela and focus some time and get kicked out of school so music became the painkiller in a fit of pique for me at that time and then i happened to me kenyan woman called mrs moon was actually help me out in my process when i became a musician size for can more focus and doing what i'm doing up to now he also talk a lot about the feeling of guilt that you experience and other interviewees but

looking back do you really have a choice and done the adults that got you involved there are more responsibility well sometimes when you see so much problems happen and you see have a body suffering. it's hard to actually blame god knows because they're done you see everything is happening so and you all know well all in it together we're in desborough it we're dying all together we mass walk together try to get us out of it that's the mind concept. the only time i can really get angry and feel betrayed is actually what is happening in south sudan when the very people who say they're fighting for an independent to swallow the freedom that we we we suffered for. us only if things that make you really feel betrayed because now you've got a government that want to stay in power. the testing people who are. founding

fathers of the organization that want to transform the country to be accountable and transparent and the president decided to stick their try to find an opportunity to terminate his political open another country's and civil war just a couple days ago with. the police in. the prison guards dress in uniform remove the uniform and entered a un compound to kill women and children who happen to be under the guiding of the un now you see like this hatred is bitterness fighting now because of no targeting killing the killing isn't a cynic line. no right never meant kill one ethnic group the rebels go and and some of them were not control goes into other events so it's terrifying. but emanuel thankfully right now you are

a very successful hip hop artist and your path your rap is political it's all about sending a message out there you sing about peace using people to speak up for their rights najee theel your message is getting across i mean i know that it has lended you in trouble before now for example last september when you went back to south sudan you were brutally beaten by police. here the voices going so the police beat me because they know the strengths of my voice so they're trying to silence me and later on when they don't like activists they remove their eyes and put them in the box and drop them in the aisle and so so they're trying to scam you not to talk . but i didn't keep quiet i kept doing my thing because i know why i'm in this to speak for voice. you know and i'm pushing for justice and equality for freedom for

everybody to do the me isn't just creating awareness so what i do is mostly for conscious awakening. getting people to understand they have the power to actually change things not the government. emanuel sank you so much for this mass mariah saying inside into a life child soldier i wish you all the best in getting your voice across the whole world and to everyone and to stop being a child soldier. recruited in the future thanks a lot for this interview we're talking to a man old jar forward child soldier and world famous rapper right now we're talking about the horrors of being a child soldier and how it could be stopped thanks for being less the same for sophie and co we'll see you next time. looking for. the we should let the lord know we can't.

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