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hello welcome to. shevardnadze what do you do one war robs you of your childhood my guest today lost his mother in a fighting in sudan and became a soldier at the age of seven the kindness of strangers and music helped him overcome his childhood steeped in extreme violence manual job is now wolf famous hip hop artist and he's here today to share his extraordinary life story with us.
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there are three hundred thousand child soldiers in the world most of them from. drug war deprived of families forced to kill. children good soldiers. and what happens if they do. a manual joelle child soldier turned hip hop artists welcome it's great to have you on our show today i just want to go back and remind our viewers where you started out you were only about seven years old when your mother was killed and the second sudanese civil war then you became a child soldier and were told that a k forty seven would be your only parent that it would be taking care of you from now on this is how you really felt that your life depended on this weapon to survive. well there some more so when you're in
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a training center you actually train to be told the gun is your father and your mother so your life depend on on it and saw. it's a it's a situation where people get transform and get brainwashed to. do whatever i do and of that you have been trained to focus so the cause become more powerful than you believe in because you're told even if your father is against this cause you can kill him. now another thing that you have is that the children who joined the rebels they wanted to revenge did you at that age understand what revenge was well i remember stun. what to eventual us then but now i can't put it into the words i was really angry as a kid you see when you lost everything you own and. everything that is your world disappear in front of you then your toe your mother is gone and then because the
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war itself different people experience it differently and now when you're told that people are destroying your home it's such a stretch of police and you're given a description you don't need to think twice so you want to act out of their emotions at that moment. going to a war and becoming a soldier i just wonder what it's like for a kid after talk to a man who joined the army in war to you at the age of twelve i just talked to him recently now what he was telling me is that for him it was never an adventure and a thrill more than anything else what was it like for you was it again oh a least at first. well children don't or you only die once so you kind of live don't understand or you don't know when you die it. so a death moment you're taken by adrenaline you want to know what's going on but for me my desire and i wanted to kill as many muslims are not obsessed possible this
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was one second i wanted a bike. well is that children don't know that he only die once and that's because they're actually fearless state don't know what it's about but did you ever fear that you were going to be killed did you think about that. yes sometimes in no. the thing that i didn't warn was i didn't want to get shot in my eye on my leg broken i actually prefer to die than to be injured because i've seen people who have been injured how they cry and so like a kid you know it's like when you had to choose where would i be shot and so on of the shirt where this meat will not break in what a bomb not my i know from my leg so you for do you know that's how you think as a child in the real war and you know up in the bullet. whichever police it's aim it doesn't care where to shoot have you ever been one dead i've
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been wounded definitely but not a gun. well this one thing he said that actually mark me as just wanting a bicycle now when the army was recruiting q did they give you any incentives did they tell you like if you take a gun and kill people that will give you something in return for example a bicycle or were you just doing it for free were you getting any a warrant whatsoever for what you were doing. you know those no awards as such like somebody being paid for doing something you know the country has been destroyed people are fighting for their survival so and you could see from the idols that there's something you know when you go to a house and you attack the people in the house and that children they'll try to join in and fight. but now this is not the villages this is like the whole community this is all tribe uniting again it's. a force that want to wipe them out
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as we do not know that they want to wipe us out we don't know what's was the reason for the war in fact one when the war happened i got the world was ending because my mother here tells me they were all the children of god and one day the world is going to end and people are going to turn and it's our and so you look at it as a child you just get confused with different messages and so i didn't really understand what was going on but now i have an idea of what actually was happening . when you were at the camp what were you told where he told why you were fighting where you trained at all or you were just given guns and told go and shoot it actually we were trained in the come it was a difficult trainings six straight months. first stepping in the cam it was a violent entrance so we're there on bush to us and all of beaten so people are
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running you drop your back you have surely forget yourself so it's like a separate ing us from being loving w when we're coming or singing songs holding hands with this guys are hiding in the bush and they just started whipping us bitten and i was really angry that time i said the first person i will shoot when i finish training will be my trainer or look for the people of beating us because you don't understand why they just beating you for no reason. so those caring you sit down get out you look behind someone to slap your kick you for no reason you can't talk you can do anything he was an exciting to be trained it was terrifying because i'm children haven't died in the training. did you ever go back to see your trainers after you've graduated and never. i can't even remember any of them now but at mile tell me a little bit about the fighting itself were there actual battles or were there are
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more like raids those bottles and depend where. how your i want to explain it so there's different grades this being invaded where you are on this when you're taken going to a bottle school but did the other side also use children soldiers yes sometimes they do you know they depend of the government was more of them aren't they hard child soldiers only in the malaysians no malicious. but in there are chill on in the house that we'll train soldiers that fight because they're getting paid. they have a salary. you know i spoke to a british mercenary who also fought in africa when he was younger salman man i don't know if you've heard of them and he told me that he viewed child soldiers just like any other soldiers you know when you were fighting did you feel your
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enemies or like just normal soldiers so you the same way despite your age where you just trained to fight if it's the same enemy that's your enemy and for a child soldiers are the worse they're very sensitive you know they come and the reason why they like using child soldiers is because. they don't have plans. i don't have children so they don't know our idea of the feature so they can actually scream and go forward and mostly they're very brave sometimes the worst thing is if they really get terrified it's hard to convince them to to fight ron do you remember the first time you killed someone. out and say like i actually did one remember me killing somebody myself but i was in an octave situation where we did more justice of other people just tell me hey it was your
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bullet that shot the person. did you think about what was going on at that moment i was just like too much of an adrenaline rush and you had no time to stop and analyze it really get scared and before you want to go to trial it several times your throats dry you know your stomach your body scheck's you know so many things happened so many thing goes on in your head at that moment you go silent you want in the world you know sometimes like your legs can move but after the battle begins you know the rhythm of the gun itself it's it goes with the flow and text you over. now to the battlefields are musical you know when there is war it's very musical when i mean no it's not on them. it's like that sounds of the guns it's like they
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slow the reason especially if you verify your vest sometime your gun even you can't even hear the sound of your gun you know so maybe when it's shocking you know when you're into it so much you know and then the other thing is when what the other experience is when you're not in the battlefield then you're sleeping and other people are fighting it's like you know when the bullets to stop. because it's light dark dark dark that dark dark back out of a car bomb so it's it's almost like there's a beat the blue and then you just see a boom the big sound is like a bass so you just warn the explosion to continue in the sounds but is this something that you actually wherein you and that helped you in your music later on that rhythmic sounds and the selling of the rhythm they experienced
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during the war no actually became i'm doing what i'm doing not because i planned it i think it's something that process and it's accidental was unplanned. amanda we are going to take a short break right now now when we come back we're going to continue to talk to. a hip hop star right now who grew up as a child soldier in sudan and we'll talk more about how he escaped from the war and how he became a pop singer stay with us. for the. lead it was
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western media and in the halls of power russia will defend its national interest and also how its own red lines. in america because every single day jamie diamond. that is the american economy shows up in the light. you know that and they're saying oh it wasn't to me that it wasn't me that did it this time i would love to meet these lovely and the world like. right to see. her street. and i think that you're. on our reporters.
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that we're back with a manual jalebi hip hop artists who was a soldier rain his childhood fighting in the sudanese civil war. now i know that young children not even teenagers but really a lot of young like seven or eight like you where are still with us soldiers in africa looking back do you feel like children make fighters they're set to be more cooler than the grown ups. that there's nothing more dangerous than a kid with a rifle would you agree with that. there because they don't thanks to our second small and if an idle pos next to them they think that person will snipe their gun
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you don't negotiate with a child soldier and they tell you stop you have to stop if you try to talk too much ensued talk and then shoot you. now i guess when you guys were taken to those camps and you were taken away from your families the only thing that you have is that you're there did you make any close friends when you were in a camp or when you were fighting yeah i had a lot of childhood friends and you know you're told to be brother skipper us so your fellow soldiers your brother you know and because you both of you only got each other so when the battlefield happened you could be injured and your fellow soldiers come close to you there's no hard feelings you can afford to hate any any of your members when you're in the same place because when the war happen and you know you can be hurt and also if you're going to leave your fellow soldier one day into an issue you're not
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a good person they can actually shoot you because they don't want to die right themselves. or if they're really nice and the like you they can actually give you a cover for you to skip if they're injured so they have to be nice to each other what would happen to the kids who would refuse to take part in training in fighting they get punished or if you try to escape and go and see or from the members they know where you're from members are and they're going to cause from your home now for you i mean it will be fair to say that you yourself chose to stop what was the turning point when he escaped a soldier's camp how did you manage that. well actually i didn't plan an escape it was planned by artists and i just joined them and it was a difficult journey because in the way a lot of people died. one of my friend was dying in kind of world ism
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started i was tempted to eat my friend actually because my senses change and those one of the lowest points and then i arrived in place called a world where i was rescued by a british aid worker or smuggle me to kenya well we're going to get in a second but i just really want to know what was that turning point that made you escape made you say to yourself that say i need to go yeah. because i'm glad and so even when i ask one of the guys say to him we've been planning it for a while we can tell you because you have a big mouth and you're going to get us in trouble so it's because a bit of going with them i realize that we're skipping later on because i thought is just a normal way of going to one place where we're going to deliver. on the missions or support or check our people injured or just going for patrol somewhere so he didn't know you were going you walked literally across the whole country. and you said
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some of you people who were actually moving with you died how did you manage to survive. well this was difficult i actually i probably knew after six hours of exam events when i was able to know we actually missed skipping so i survived waiting on snails vultures anything that we could find in the january days we started to eat but who told the trees the plantation other people got poisoned was a difficult difficult journey also d.-i direction people died of durations so i'll say that i was lucky that i survived but i kept myself positive that tomorrow's going to come where between two to four hundred young people mix with other girls and only sixteen people survive the journey. and now we come to emma kiran a british aid worker who actually saved you how did you come across or and most
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importantly why did you trust her. where i want to happen is ended up in a place called a watch. and she and her friends to design me and then promise me to take me to school and i always wanted to go to school but in my mind and i said i'm going to go to this lady's country and go to school join their army become a pilot and still a plane and come back toward that's what i had in my head but everything changed later so it was all about the bicycle school and an airplane. it. you know in your train into that as a child so it will take awhile along with transformation. well unfortunately i am a died soon after that in a car crash and you know there was no one else to take care of you what did you do
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after that. i was lucky our family members took it and that's different people can pass by and life became really difficult so this is where the music came and took an opportunity and this is where i was able to to heal myself because i used to have a lot of night mandela then focus some time and get kicked out of school so music became the painkiller in a fit of pique for me at that time and then i happened to me kenyan woman called mrs moon was actually helped me out in my process when i became a musician sized became more focus and doing what i'm doing up to now. we also talk a lot about the feeling of guilt that you experience and other interviewees but looking back do you really have a choice and done the adults that got you involved there more responsibility well sometimes when you see so much problems happen and you see everybody's suffering.
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it's hard to actually blame gods because they're done you see everything is happening so and you all know well all in it together we're in disability we're dying all together we mass walk together try to get us out of it that's the mind concept. the only time i can really get angry and feel betrayed is actually what is happening in south sudan when the very people who say they are fighting for an independent to swallow the freedom that we we we suffered for. us only if things that make you really feel betrayed because now you've got a government that want to stay in power. an address to people who are. founding fathers of the organization that wanted to transform the country to be accountable and transparent and the president decided to stick their try to find an opportunity to terminate his political open another country's and civil war just.
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a couple days ago with. the police in. the prison guards dress in uniform remove the uniform and entered a un compound to kill women and children who happen to be under the guiding of the un and now you see like this hatred is bitterness fighting now because of no targeting killing the killing is i'm a cynic line. i know right never meant kill one ethnic group the rebels go and and some of them were not control goes into other events so it's terrifying. but emanuel thankfully right now you are a very successful hip hop artist and your path your rap is political it's all about sending a message out there using about peace using people to speak up for their rights
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najee theel your message is getting across i mean i know that it has landed you in trouble before now for example last september when you went back to south sudan you were brutally beaten by police. here are the voices going so the police beat me because they know the strengths of my voice so they're trying to silence me and later on when they don't like activists they remove their eyes and put them in the box and drop them in the aisle and so so they're trying to scam in order to talk. but i didn't keep quiet i kept doing my thing because i know why i'm in this to speak for voice you know and i'm pushing for justice and equality for freedom for everybody through the means and just creating awareness so what i do is mostly for conscious awakening. getting people to understand they have the power to actually change things not the government. emanuel sank you so much for this mass
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mariah saying inside into a life child soldier i wish you all the best in getting your voice across the whole world and to everyone and to stop being a child soldier being recruited in the future thanks a lot for this interview we're talking to a man old jar forward child soldier and world famous rapper right now we're talking about the horrors of being a child soldier and how it could be stopped thanks for being less the same for sophie and co we'll see you next time. looking for. the we could let the lord know we can't. let.
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to genetics but eugenics vulgarize ation of darwin science and punishment for an uncommitted crying i was never supposed to learn from believing in eighty feebleminded still today for the few i don't know why not a lot but i still don't know why genetic improvement through forced sterilization the basis for nazi ideology don't stop at just sterilizing yet not going to now go to the point of death she did for years rarely discussed among till now i'd really rather not talk about that right now. we think of why we think that there are good. for all sand beaches.
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