russia can't set conditions for setting ukraine's crisis but will do everything to facilitate peace that was the statement from president putin as he sat down with his ukrainian counterpart petro poroshenko for the very first time. blazer one of the done yes grecians largest chemical plants while ukraine's army continues to shower the resistance up with shells. and british authorities have been left shocked by the growing number of people being radicalized into jihads they now want to take away passports of those going to war zones on encouraging citizens to spy on potential terrorists.

welcome my name is the harvey and you're watching international. russia will do its best to help set up a peace process in ukraine those words coming from putin this handshake you can see kicked off the first sit down meeting of the russian and ukrainian presidents at an international summit in minsk. has more. ms clinton is the first ever here between the current president of russia and ukraine and just your onlookers hoped it would herald some kind of breakthrough but didn't put in said talks went well but insisted the most pressing issue finding a solution to the conflict in ukraine was something needs to settle but if you go there should we didn't talk in detail about it and frankly speaking russia can propose any conditions for a cease fire or speak about possible greenman between kiev and donetsk or lugansk

this is ukraine's affairs we can only try to help to create an atmosphere of trust during these negotiations that are in my view very necessary. other than something that is becoming a problem is the humanitarian catastrophe in ukraine and cities of them is going the guns hundreds of thousands of refugees are fleeing for safety many coming over the border where there was real movement was in discussions over the gas dispute between the two countries but in promise negotiations will restart in the nearest future because it's a problem which affects the e.u. just as much as it does. the russian president was all smiles ahead of the one on one with poroshenko the ukrainian leaders face betrayed the fact he was probably a little less relaxed ahead of talks with a lot riding on them. it was a day of tough negotiations but the logic of the peace plan was supported by heads

of state ultimately though no real breakthrough came in attempts to end the bloody struggle in ukraine but after the events of recent months just the fact the leaders are talking is some kind of progress you know goes r.t. minsk well of course. let's not get the thought of alexander the crass off as a political commentator who joins us on the line now from london alexander thanks for joining us first off how significant do you think this idea i'm eating was. well i think it's always very important when leaders world leaders meet each other face to face and actually have you know a comfort to ensure in a sort of meeting one on one and i think it's everything else you know all these huge conferences and so on and i think that it's a start obviously nobody was expecting some huge breakthrough sort of there but judging by the way president poroshenko rushed rushed off to the ukrainian embassy

after the meeting with president putin and didn't even meet the journalists it seems that he had something to say to hugh's western backers and i suspect that that was something very important. president said the initiative of the peace plan was supported by everybody if you think that means that kiev is now ready for a ceasefire while the difficult question isn't it because on the one hand you've always said that that was some sort of a peace deal done in the east and on the other hand you know that the. government troops shelling both lugansk and and basically committing all those terrible atrocities so it's a it's a difficult sort of balance to reach here i think that as winter approaches the european union will be putting more pressure on key of to be more flexible because

one thing that europe doesn't want is that problems with gas deliveries and as you probably know. of has already returned the money that russia is paying for the transit of gas to europe so the signs are not good for europe and they are obviously nervous about that yeah i just want to move on to that actually because they have said that they've agreed to reopen discussions on that gas issue which has been authority what do you think was said to enable that to happen. well at the moment it's a difficult question because russia contrary really operate as ukraine has submitted to it's a lawsuit against russia to the arbitrary court and that's what that's what basically ties the russians hands because of conti even negotiate the price rate because you know it's illegal methanol so the problem is that really needs to be

more flexible and stop all these wrangling and games with lawsuits and so on i think it's really time for the government there and gave to understand one thing it was all a great post showing for a while you know after they seized power and got the new president elected and trying to score political points but now the whole thing comes to the nitty gritty of of direct discussions and the gust flow is crucial to ukraine and to europe as well so if they continue these games of saying one thing in public and doing another thing behind the scenes i don't think you know russia will be able to do in your fing alexander today we had received foreign minister saying that humanitarian aid to eastern ukraine was discussed and makes that first let's just have a quick listen to exactly what second lavrov had to say. but it is

a list of thoughts everyone has characterized the situation in ukraine's east as a humanitarian catastrophe everyone has stressed the importance of humanitarian aid we have already sent the first convoy to ukraine and we've addressed key officially expressing our will to send a second one the president discussed it yesterday when they met i to i so we expect to find logistic and technical solutions soon to be able to send the second convoy and we hope it will not be the last one. now alexander having listened to that same says ok i have. agreed to more help it believes it's necessary do you think that we will see indeed a second convoy and that it will face less obstacles or perhaps none at all. well i would be very surprised if there would be one being you know obstacles again because you know i find that the government in kiev contra resist this sort of

to play some sort of a political card and of course it's looking all but it's shoulder to see what the european union and especially washington are doing and saying about that and i unfortunately the coverage of this humanitarian aid in the western media and british media as well was quite you know on the slick it was appalling and to put to to pretend that this humanitarian aid was some sort of a and the attempt to invade ukraine was absolutely preposterous and i can tell you no i can see the response of people here including my twitter bloke to be honest with you quite the substantial following and i can see that they were appalled by this sort of approach and you know when we see all these all this footage about people suffering and at the same time we're hearing those officials are in the west saying oh yeah it's a coddling plan to invade ukraine and also you know what i find remarkable is that

at the same time we see the so-called human you day in a new iraq where western countries america primarily does whatever it wants you know replaces prime ministers along the way the old targets unsold and nothing is set and here is a clear cut humanitarian program and yet we see this you know compay sort of i don't think i'm sorry to say this i don't think that we'll see so the smoove and three into ukraine over another call in the way unfortunately politics will be there as well ok let's not but thanks for joining us once again is your thoughts as political commentator alexander nicholas thank you. now civilian areas remain in the sights of ukraine's army in the country's east with residential positon yet skin lugansk being hit on a daily basis says it's targeting rebel fighters but some people in the resistance

hubs quite a different story. yes. but the white boy. this is bad if this were a very. blase race just outside the city of done yet scepter a large chemical plant employing three thousand people came under fire the fact he's been hit by a shelling at least twice within a week wallace live reports. one of the largest factories in ukraine of chemicals and coal and as you can see it has come under shelling you can actually still smell in the air this smell of burning and there's also the constant fear that any moment

now the ukrainian military will shell again we're trying at least to get to the center of donetsk because here it is too dangerous. a show for just there let me show you where. this is what is left of the show. but others fear and now the charitable could be on the horizon that in its cretin has nearly four thousand dangerous factories and facilities to hit on any one of them would pose a threat to the entire area and indiscriminate punishment to fighters and civilians alike we're talking about hours before they are graded in the atmosphere. because we're talking about here which would be chlorine related. risks in most of these cases will be. huge problems. residents nearby the plants are not taking any chances it's been dangerous here since the morning some houses have been hit on the edge of the neighborhood this is

part of a rocket that was fired from a grad missile launcher more and more these are landing here in civilian areas of course the r.t. . eastern ukraine germany's become the latest country to lend its weight to the campaign to find russian journalist and a stand in who's been missing in ukraine since august fifth this is what wednesday's edition of the left wing newspaper younger veldt looks like a global campaign for the release of the veteran war zone photographer kicked off almost immediately after his disappearance kier however has been reluctant to participate saying it has no knowledge of stand in fact. and i think he's pointing fingers at moscow when it comes to the crisis in ukraine the general sense of it down smush is still a partner of the alliance and revealed some of what's his organization is planning to do about it more details on the why.

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threat posed by would be jihadists traveling to and from the middle east is making u.k. or thirty's raise the alarm police there are now encouraging the public to inform on anyone they think could potentially be on the path to radicalism and metropolitan police is counterterrorism chief has appealed for help to identify aspiring terrorists and that could mean anyone traveling abroad or coming back to britain the public is also being asked to keep an eye on individual showing signs of being converted to radical islam the number of terrorism the rest is already soaring with sixty nine people held in the first half of this year. the security

services say up to one thousand british residents have already joined the jihadi fight in iraq and syria and up to two hundred fifty hardliners are believed to have returned to the u.k. posing a serious headache for security and police homegrown militants taking part in the holy war is their sacred duty of authority is wonder just how much the official policy of multiculturalism is to blame as a cost of investigates multiculturalism was once celebrated as the way forward but after thirty years of cultivating it in britain it's now being blamed for fostering extremist ideology and directly contributed to homegrown islamic terror for too long the doctrine of multiculturalism has led to immigrants establishing completely separate communities in our cities these are slow to honor killings female genital circumcision and the establishment of sharia law in inner city pockets throughout the u.k.

islamic radicals should be challenged with the values of liberal democracy. why issue to do with multiculturalism in britain which i think has led to death so why is ation a sort of bottom up apartheid that is a. i think unfortunately that it is there is going to be an extent to it too little too late its purchase police are now preparing for raids across the country in their bid to find out exactly who is just hard to jobs to the brits or suspects we had an american journalist james foley but many fear there's more than one jihadi john around and want the government to take more drastic measures therefore automatic suspicion that if you have travelled to the isis region in this period of time that you are in some way involved in the conflict there and i think that the that it's only right that that suspicion exists and i think all of those individuals that have travelled to the region need to be investigated by the

intelligence services and quite possibly by the police if they return to the home secretary currently has the power to strip citizenship from two or nationals who are fighting abroad this also applies to immigrants who have become naturalized citizens but home office lawyers argue that a country can't make its citizens stateless and the other side of the story is muslim communities living here in the u.k. who say the threat of violence has increased and clean nationalism and we know phobia they say be made into scapegoats has changed their everyday lives dramatically so i'm quite sickened by the political right to constantly have a go at multiculturalism as of multiculturalism is the major problem we are getting a gradual sense of of a drip drip of cases which comes in from the trojan horse and we had cases that came in from the isis affair or they feel that there's a sense of collective guilt that has been placed on them not just blind a vigil is that they know but also through the national papers and by politicians who are the

calling out that muslims all. should on for this this so-called hate campaign is seen mostly on the internet with muslims in the frequent targets of internet trolls even a senior muslim member of a local branch of the anti immigration ukip party has found himself the target of online abuse there's a sense of disaffection there's a sense of isolationism and i guess there's also a sense that you know some of the individuals feeling that this is also prejudicial in its own right by assuming all of the muslim community has to answer to something they have absolutely no control of the war of extremism is now raging just as much as that of nationalism the problem for the government is finding a fine line so it doesn't end up falling into either camp during the course of our reports or from london for it. now to deal with the rise of this sentiment the

u.k.'s home secretary theresa may has outlined a series of new measures so people who travel to syria or iraq could now be investigated with a dual nationality could be stripped of their citizenship as well as naturalized britons fighting abroad or those returning from the war zones they could be prosecuted the plans of already set a trend with norway now also considering revoking citizenship of people found taking part in terror activities or wars abroad and let's discuss this more now with the demon media spokesman for the muslim public affairs committee a group that dresses issues like islamophobia and anti terror legislation thanks for joining us let's just start with that horrific footage some people may have seen it before generally many won't but they know about the the footage of jihadi john as he's been dubbed beheading an american journalist it really did create worldwide outrage given the shock that it created can you not understand perhaps the government wanting to launch this crackdown. the thing is the problem is for

the muslim community that they don't see the actual good intentioned approach actually what the government says because on one hand they say that they are against people going to other countries taking part in other fighting states or against ac at the same time we have you know we know of british citizens going to fight in favor of his row to support israel and no real action being taken and there's been no political statements being made about this so the muslim community they do see these words being mentioned legislation being pushed forward or being recommended as being political posturing and really as being as alienating them from british society and what we will see for many young british muslims is that the language that is being currently used in this environment will only further alienate young muslims here just to pick up on that i mean you say alienation do you think it could actually increase tensions in british society undoubtedly the thing is it's known that there is

a growing sentiment among many muslims especially young muslims that they are not treated as equal citizens in this country and the language has been used by terrorism a but he will like boris johnson and other top politicians really from us and what it does for many young muslims who are already quite disenfranchised by the political establishment oil as further entrenched those opinions that they hold and it further isolates them from british society and drives them towards other people's hands what do you make of the police calling on members of the public to report on people that they suspect of being radicalized again that language that home for muslims all it does is first of all it wreaks of double standards because you know i mean i was just reading today about how one of the officers was actually saying that you know it's a privilege to have a passport for for britain and anyone that seen fighting for a state or against a state that you know that isn't in what you know it's basically that they don't deserve that right that privilege to have the british passport and yet. muslims are

clearly seen people openly supporting israel going over that support the israeli army and they don't buy into this narrative that's being pushed for days in the best interest for britain and secondly it's very important that it's this language again like i said just alienates young muslims they're not no we're not having a discussion about this issue always that's being said is is you know we doubt these terrorists in your community who defines what's a terrorist who defines extremism and for muslims for many muslims our definition of extremism nowadays seems to be anyone that seems to show any care for muslims around the world are suffering from oppression what do think it actually says about the competence and efficiency of the british police that they're actually having to call on the public to help them do their jobs the thing is i feel that it's their competency to is often called into question over many of the issues but also as we know the anti terror legislation and the way the police is currently working is not it's not working in dealing with terrorism and the issues we face if we are going

to have an honest discussion about how do we deal with extremism how do we deal with terrorism then really what we can have is political posturing within our political establishment and in with police what do you think should be done about britons who have been radicalized and tell you to head back to british isles how do you think they should be dealt with first of all don't treat them like a bunch of completely nut cases if we're going to understand this phenomenon for going to understand young muslims going over we need to actually have a discussion with them and others around them to understand what are the root causes when we understand the root causes then and only then can we actually deal with the problem right now we have these people saying the only course can be people who interpret in their religion in a literalist way and therefore going to fight when actually for many muslims that's not off the case for some people they're going over because they are seeing they feel their brothers and sisters or muslim brothers sisters being oppressed by someone and they need to do something about it and again if we're going to talk about this honestly and openly and we can't have political posturing in the build

up towards that discussion and during that discussion ok we've been hearing the thoughts of rather than a team from the muslim public affairs committee thanks so much for joining us. nato is mulling counter moves to challenge what the head of the alliance called russia's reluctance to consider is a partner in an interview to the european press and the. outlined nato's latest plans for eastern europe that includes ensuring permanent international deployments on russia's doorstep and nato already has a so-called response force and believes sit down needs to be spearheaded it also spoke of closer ties with ukraine alliance is yet to decide on the amount of aid it will send over to kiev which is currently involved and a bloody crackdown on opposition forces on its own territory james corbett who's the editor of the corporate report an independent japan based news outlet thinks that nato as we see really pushing towards domination in the area i think we have

to read this as a commitment towards the establishment of permanent military bases specifically because that has been on the table now for a number of years and has been actively denied so i think the fact that they are not coming out and saying this and they are not specifying where these bases will be situated is just part of the diplomatic dance that's taking place right now but we have to understand that there is a permanent military deployment that is being considered right now that is that is absolutely a mark of brinksmanship this is just another part of that bigger picture that shows that nato is not committed to peace and stability in the region they are looking to be the dominant military power. i do hope you'll stay with us here on all its international have news headlines at the top of the hour up next though. there are all the feisty debate on the gaza crisis between two special guests from american jewish communities.

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played. it's been over three weeks since the start of operation protective that the latest military offensive launched by israel against the gaza strip to date the bombing campaign and subsequent invasion has resulted in the deaths of one thousand four hundred thirty two palestinians the vast majority of which are civilians including three hundred twenty seven children and one hundred sixty six women according to the gaza health ministry on the israeli's side as many as fifty six i.d.f. soldiers and the recent billions of also been killed according to reuters the situation on the ground is changing by the minute and these numbers reflect only the latest at the time of this broadcast as the casualties continue to mount and

a series of proposals fires have failed there seems to be no end in sight to the bloodshed in fact just today the israeli government called up sixteen thousand i.d.f. reserve soldiers to bolster the ongoing military operation which would bring me a ground offensive to eighty six thousand troops israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is calling the operation was far just the first phase of a much larger campaign and valves to continue to destroy hamas tunnels and with or without a ceasefire and in fact just yesterday during a humanitarian sees fire the idea. shelled a crowded market killing seventeen people including one journalist aside from the deadly market bombing israel has also carried out a number of strikes on residential areas medical centers and a u.n. building housing dozens of refugees shelter white house spokesperson urns called the attack on the un shelter total.