they did accept the reject. so if you want to be president i'm sure. most somewhat want. to go right to be precise it's like that before three in the morning can't be that. interested always in the waters about how. things should be. present in this. city doesn't seem marshmallows as the ground solution the president said again and again. he does that he's not been here for the long haul. so well so there's no read need for it but. if you would like to. extend marshall for personal reasons of course.

stanton glantz only learned of this case through the documents we showed him the approaches that they used to attack the person doing the research on linking cured meats with cancer were the standard things they do one is to go through her work with a fine tooth comb and find every little thing they could possibly complain about and because the issues tend to be fairly technical. you know if you're a politician or if you're a reporter or english or a highly specialized order all you hear is well this person said there was something bad and this other person said that they didn't know what they were talking about and settled these efforts to go after the scientists and to discredit the scientists is a key element of a much larger strategy to just gum up the entire policymaking process to the point

where nothing happens that translates into hundreds of billions of dollars of sales of profits or so the whole game is just slow down. in the documents on dr preston martin other even more machiavellian scenarios were studied. here it was suggested that talks be held with the scientist. and hear a proposed seminar in order to lure her. to influence her and even shape the conclusions of her future studies. the common point of these documents they all come from the same lobbying firm multinational business services. already hired by philip morris to contest the effects of passive smoking on health and headed by a certain jim thought see a master of influence.

amazingly in washington the heart of american power this lobbyist is still well established. as he never answered our requests for an interview we went to see him without an appointment with our documents in hand and a hidden camera it's. to get into the u.s. who works here who are us i'm going to french and journalist i'm looking for and i'm working on the knob the name. of the new point meant no new i was just looking for him because i called from france but you can sound these on. the good news american lobbyists can be welcoming. we even managed to have jim talk to you

on his cell phone. here come in here please. jim can you hear me. i want to ask you some questions susan system not to. work. because you have this set up a strategy to discredit. us come here so i want you to know more about this. well. we're not. i don't know if you're just talking about. me and i know if you do your work in congress i'm going to ask you i can say no i'm going to have to as you believe. understand you if you like the welcoming lobbyist you love the angry why

i'm asking you to have no play inductees leave now join me to not leave you can lose your yes please please i am motoring you out can't just leave now that it's out. of here ok you understand that you have a tough life. here and you cannot go back. to do you have to end like that. in the end mr trott's he did a great job well at least for the industrialist. back then and he pressed the martin arguments were brought into the media spotlight. this is by this health journalist on a major national t.v. channel a few days after the publication of the famous study. let's get back to our hot dog study remember they asked the people did you eat a hot dog they didn't ask them did you put it in a bun did you put ketchup on it did you put mustard on. you might be saying who

really cares one way or the other but that's important because it may be that it's not the hot dog at all that's causing this increased risk of cancer maybe it's the body maybe it's the ketchup maybe it's the mustard so you have to be careful when you read these studies not to say oh this causes this. the powers that be didn't go any farther than one nine hundred seventy s. nitrites file which could have resurfaced remains locked away. you're probably wondering what susan president thinks the woman targeted by the lobby. we showed her the documents and what upset her the most was seeing that fellow scientists had played along with the industrialists. these professors will get paid a huge amount to do review by in this case probably the american media i mean thousands and thousands of dollars they probably get more from doing this kind of thing than they do from their regular jobs. seeing your name like this in

all. my goodness a i gave a lot of people a lot of work. were you aware of this well i was aware that the processed meat community was concerned but not aware of all the extent of this. twenty years on and she had turned the page. not of interest anymore that's how. the public awareness of science goes it's interesting that it's not of interest seen in all that work today but it doesn't it doesn't matter i mean it still in the literature and. in may includes people in future and it has influence people in the past and that's fine. but another scientist involved in the case has enjoyed

a much more flourishing career. a scientist paid by the american meat institute to shoot down susan preston martin's work. david clear fell. today david kerrville is head of the u.s. government's nutrition program and he's invited all over the world for a scientific conferences where he gives his experts point of view. totally independent and. it's good to. introduce reasons why the need is important to healthy diet it's been just. on that day he was in front speaking to scientists from around the world about meat and the link between processed meat and cancer in order to denounce backed up by a power point the climate of fear panic and even hysteria. and we know because we were there. it was right at the start of our investigation when we barely knew

about nitrites and had the need of enlightened specialists to help us. and. so there are new reviews published this year that's the nitrite is not harmful and others that say it is harmful. i don't think anybody really knows. definitively what what the answer is. a few months after this handshake you could learn more about the industry and doubt bells started ringing. so we took advantage of our trip to america to ask him for another interview. only this time with a lot more cards up our sleeve. do you remember. american meat institute no never no i was interested in the

scientists was interesting martin yes do you know her i know who she is i do not know her personally i do remember reading a paper on her for the american meat institute found this and it was prepared for the american newton says fruit. ok there. this is something different yes. this was done twenty years ago roughly so. i had forgotten about that do you remember how much you were paid for this evaluation though i do not as i said it was twenty or twenty five years ago you didn't know when you were working for the american it is you that philip morris was opening there. i'm not going to say yes or no at this point in time because it's more than twenty years ago did you know that the tobacco strategy motto was doubt is our product no

we never heard that though the valve close your productive to. that was not mine and that was not my intent my intent was to do an evaluation. if i had read these papers and found that there were not shortcomings in the papers that they would not deficiencies in the papers i don't think i would have criticized them but don't you think that your point of view would be stronger than your arguments stronger if i hadn't found that you had been won by the american meat institute. no i don't i don't think that. would change it wouldn't change my point of view it might change your point of view that you tend to not believe what i'm saying because twenty five years ago i got some amount of money that i don't remember are. for making progress he can't remember how much

but he does remember getting paid. but you have to understand that the industry is a money making business so they're very risk averse they would not fund a study that. someone proposed to them that eating hot dogs increases the risk of childhood cancer why would they fund that you know they they would only fund something that says. proposes childhood cancer is prevented by eating more hotdogs or there's no relationship you know they're not going to fund a study that. is bad for their business. well at least he's honest much of the meat industry is lobbying depends on collaboration with paid scientists and that's still how things work. during a conference on frost meat and cancer. of french scientists confirmed it. is

a reference on the subject internationally renowned expert. he speaks and acts casually and doesn't call it telling us how things work at scientific events. it is just because you're going to supersede mr teach me. it's a. good point. it's a deep also they go it just comes to me. because it is true and does it. because if you all. did so i mean. you should she called me to. talk to me of the. fifty fifty split. it's not going to be what you did was it was you she didn't put on the school.

with your bone in them really like my reading. and then you have the kind of which i have for sure. you have to suffer. people thing we do not to die being. if i'm being choked but the pots we are being i saw less said because i was skinny. just manufacture consent to step into public wells. when the room in closest to protect themselves. in the final. lifts only the one percent. we can all middle of the

room sick. the real news is. this talk about blackness and the blues of being black. and always well in a big house down at least that's what i've been told but it was simply that we in remains as such because we simply forgot on. the scene we've allowed them to rearrange out paint you've told us the sickness of trusting our enemy we became defaced. that's what i call a lack of blackness or understanding the blues of being black. sheep to blues of being black should mandate that we attack knowing how when and what to do to come this simple in its national is being begged to simply tat the feelin blue is black and blue.

a few days later professor corp a sent us some e-mails and photos of scientists he suspects of being close to the food industry. two americans he came across at a conference on meat and cancer. and nathan bryant. as we checked out these scientists profiles we discovered a document which should certainly never have been on the web. internal report issued by the american meat institute. it lays out the strategy for influencing the decisions of high profile organizations.

this organization is the i r c international agency for research on cancer. this institution based in the old front is the worldwide reference on cancer. in two thousand and six i see scientists classified nitrites in the probably carcinogenic category of products group to. and that was bad for business. so lobbyists are fighting to have this classification changed. page sixty four of the document. change in the i.r.c. nitrate nitrate classification from two agent to be. possibly carcinogenic. the strategy has a name i see challenge. it notably involves the two scientists

we were interested in andrew wilkow ski and nathan bryant. armed with our brand new file it was time to set off to meet the meet sectors heavyweights. welcome to nashville tennessee. the capital of country music and notably the home town of johnny cash. it's here that the american meat institute is holding its annual conference. in this huge building to be precise. the meat industry in the u.s. is very very big business. all of the world's biggest players are here. smithfield number one imports with a turnover of fourteen billion dollars a year cargo the giant with thirty three billion dollars

a year in crude alone. and tyson people all divisions record holder this year will mate with all of our divisions between or poultry and prepared between at thirty seven billion and forty billion dollars in revenue so it's a snowball maybe very small company. we checked it's over forty one billion dollars. after half an hour we spot a face in the crowd that rings a bell. that will and they're testing nibbles at every stand. that's right page ninety two of the i.r.c. challenge document with the short hair the american media institute senior vice president of public affairs janet riley. is just she's sorry. i'm lieutenant trying to get headlines on the new book i'm looking for

the phones to entre system tend to answer any question about seduction type found. it's is this document it do you know it i'm sorry. i'm looking through phones to. co-create and i didn't see you register and no no actually i wasn't sad to say but i have some important questions that you keep your business. yes of course i have mine step journalist caught just a question but i want you to know what do you know about the iata you know let me eat octet into your camera lens really know what i'm good at that it's about not touch and dancers think you know this is my study and i want to know who came so much for our interview not me why you disagree with you why you are. having been escorted outside. this is my press conference ok i've been ordered to show id we try one last time it's closed due in two looks like what tobacco industry did

for t.k. that's your opinion that's your opinion what we're doing is providing science based here if you doubt this that our products are safe and it's fine to say right there but are you paying those scientists know you've got a camera rolling don't you. look away for such cases we always have a plan b. . on the list of i.r.c. challenge scientists there was one who agreed to see us the first on the list. andrew wilkow scheme. we had to madison wisconsin. this city in the north of the united states is home to andrew milk housekeeper and the company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin

case americans and. the scientist worked for this company for thirty years. he now teaches at the university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat lobby. presented with our eye a r.c. challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so did the needs industry paid you for this i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much i am likely to say. i don't know thousands tens of thousands of dollars mama small amounts. can we have an idea you know. this running not right seems to be a very big thing for industry looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was

a total failure. something as chemically simple as nitrite. and as unique as nitrate having a substitute has not been possible to anyone's ability but if there is more risk of getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution now where we disagree because i do not believe that that risk is is true if there is no risk at all i think the risk is on gone sayable and unknown if it indeed is us. on hearing that we pulled this expression. so fredricka the colorectal cancer of the hundreds of studies on the dangers of nitrites none of it exists off you go nothing to do with it.

in the united states it's thanks to scientists like neil county that the meat industry has been able to cut another notch in its belt. surprisingly in the health conscious state of california. this imposing building is home to the state cabinet level california environmental protection agency. we have an appointment with sam dell sent deputy director for external and legislative affairs. to show us a document that doesn't exist in any other american state when the show or not i am . selling. so this is the lists. it's a list of substances judged dangerous to man by the state of california. to do business

here manufacturers are banned from using these substances or they are obliged to warn consumers and it's very restrictive because there are over eight hundred products on the list so good example that would be tobacco smoke entirely and there's other things like as benzene that would be something you know we have come in things like exhaust and then here we have ants britain and then as aspirin you know it's a special note especially for pregnant women oh here's kind of an odd one but you know these are a breath and you know if you want to eat this go for it but be aware that you maybe don't want to eat it every single day so we're doing fine try. i tried is not on the list. it's been here since nitrites has been targeted but procedures have never been seen through when we believe the chemical meets the criteria for listing we post what's known as a notice of intent to list and that triggers a period in which people can submit public comments on whether it does or does not

meet the criteria we review the comments before making a final decision to complete. the nitrites here are the comments that swung the scale of the seven contributions six come from food industry lobbyist. and with thirty one pages the winner is. before the interview we show. our documents on the. challenge and the attempts at influence. based as an avalanche of proof gathered during months of investigation he ends up taking out his cell phone to take photos. however in answering our questions he seems less inspired. we. it's their

business if they think that they can. influence the decision be on the science but we want the science to the talking do you think it might happen that some times you are many created by the industry we. do our best. to make decisions based soley on the science regardless of whatever. pressure or words and said persuasion may be made by a any outside group. ok. california will read examine the dangers of nitrites but not before next year. for the lobby it's a mini victory time gained and profits not lost. in europe a new study on nitrite was expected in december two thousand and fifteen almost a year later it still has not been.

not. counting. those who don't consume don't tell you then doesn't do it on joking dealing with the saying i'm on the bus i'm in that are equal who don't just listen to what he calls a stance make that connection don't get so don't be done certainly. you'll live up to those wooden ministers honestly sometimes i would ask you to alter the sitting on.

for some form of the president beside you just did you see he doesn't seem marshmallows as the ground solution for president again and again you've just got. not been here for the long haul. is that in just a burst of wealth so there's no read need for it but the implied that you would like to. extend martial law for that for personal reasons or for small. i.

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