[000:00:00;00] live . live. live. i'm action or tense here we're going on the ground of the day the people's assembly protests u.k. ruler tourism a holding the north one day more demonstration outside the headquarters of the state mandated b.b.c. coming up on the show not one day more we speak to the people's assembly about how a revolution in the streets could reverse mainstream media spin and and just to raise amazing rain and we are screened democratic unionist party shadow treasury

spokesman sammy will soon whether they got value for money from gray's amaze one hundred million pounds of m.p. deal to take power plus within twenty four hours of a u.k. health agency report on dangerous pollution levels which repeatedly kill forty thousand a year in britain we speak to the harvard business school professor jeffrey jones about corporate greenwashing advocating climate science for profit and the leader of the opposition to this shadow chancellor take the only good trade deals with venezuela cuba and north korea to resume ayaan says a prime minister's questions since being accused of political bribery all the civil coming up in today's going underground but first just because u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn is riding high in opinion polls doesn't mean the causes he believes in are not in grave danger one cause he has fought for all his life is on team period lism and here is corbin on the phone in show of president nicolas maduro of venezuela talking about the legacy of one of his mentors tony benn who gave his last interview to this t.v.

show to make programme it. meant a bit comical it can be m.m.a. go more and more i'm going to. do you know. i don't. care what rocky you have come to that school been speaking to madeira now under siege from a failure. by good chargers to sufficiently diversify the venezuelan economy in the face of arguably imperialist media and imperialist power this week after an onslaught by nature nation corporate media there's where the supreme court was attacked militarily and the video was posted online we are a coalition of military police officers and civil officials in search of balance against this transitory and criminal government we do not belong or have a political partisan tendency c.n.n. put that video up on its website that c.n.n. fake news c.n.n. which read news of the two thousand and two us backed coup on venezuela in real

time as washington sought regime change in the nation that has the world's greatest known reserves of oil we now know from wiki leaks cables of connections between the venezuelan opposition and planned stein u.s. agencies but last time around it was people power on the streets that say venezuela from washington and today in london thousands who see themselves as pro-democracy protesters the shuttle to march from the b.b.c. headquarters in london to parliament square the not one day more demonstration organized by the people's assembly is calling for the immediate resignation of the prime minister theresa may joining me is the people's assemblies national secretary sam fab and sound tell me about today's mood today is going to be a celebration of the campaign of what we've achieved in the campaign of though we lost the campaign in different ways but the narrative is that. the reason they won the election she she actually lost there and although jeremy lost the election he actually won it you know to me now i think today's demonstration will be a celebration of that and it will be

a carnival of resistance we've got music we've got d.j.'s we've got some celebs coming down we're going to be a party atmosphere as well as a very political one we call this demonstration just after the general election because the reason may quite arrogant and i think and the rest of the conservative party code the election expecting to get an absolute landslide to reason may said during the election campaign if she loses six seats then jeremy hope. movie prime minister well we're saying that she does more than sixty she's lost the trust of the country that we think we think that the result represents a rejection of a stereotype represents a rejection of the cuts and privatization the whole tory policy which obviously became more and more in popular despite huge bias in her favor in terms of the mainstream media in addition in my eyes why why the b.b.c. does the march today start at the b.b.c. well we're sending b.b.c. because during the election campaign we felt that there was enormous media bias in . favor not just from the b.b.c.

although clearly there's been problems with the b.b.c.'s reporting from you know. attacking jeremy called in. by the regulator for bias but she was denying any allegations at least not just the b.b.c. but you know you see every single one of the major newspapers were attacking jeremy accusing him of being a terrorist sympathizer yet to reason may then goes and gets in bed with the u.p.a. now you know we're seeing the point of the b.b.c. the b.b.c. is it's symbolic place of of the british media and it's not just an attack on the b.b.c. but the whole institution throwing their weight behind the conservatives and still they failed to gain a mature enough this is to me that people are rejecting the idea that it is the media and that the conservatives are putting forward there now they need to step aside they need to resign immediately what is the place of democracy in the streets now that we know that obviously in parliament you can buy off m.p.'s for under a hundred million pounds the m.p.

for his may to remain about but i think it's very very important that we continue to mobilize in the streets i think the streets have played a very big influence over politics over the last ten years not that they'll ever tell you that by the way but you know you have to look at the huge end to stare in movement that's taken place the big demonstrations protests strikes from the junior doctors from public sector workers and others these are all things that had a very. big impact on public opinion on the way that the government is able to implement cuts and privatization in these ways and i think now more than ever they are weak they are incredibly incredibly weak and the way that our message to people has to be that if you want to impact. the way the direction of the country now is the best chance that we have on the street to continue mobilize is not just about voting in an election every four years disappoint a parliament if you can buy off votes around really about well i mean i think each i mean it's an incredible thing that you know we've got this very right wing

reactionary regressive. party. to propping up the conservative party disgrace i think while i think this opens a whole can of worms i think is now going to be demanding more money i think to demand more money and i think that's a good thing actually i don't i'm not opposed to more money being put into different places but i think we now need to think where is this money going can we the idea that there's no money. you know to resume a famously said during the election campaign there's no magic money tree well she's found it she's found it for the d.p. now let's find it for the n.h.s. let's find it for education it's find it for all the things that people need and secure jobs for everybody that's the kind of things that we're going to be demanding today and what about any possible return to violence that is being risk by the tourism a do you feel do you plan to deal i think it's a very very worrying situation i mean it does threaten the good friday agreement i think it's the fact that they're going to go into partnership with the d.p. i think it's if i was

a catholic in northern ireland i'd be very very scared and worried about this situation and i think you know they need to take responsibility for this and really i think you know we need to be thinking how do we unite people not divide them and i think it's a very very divisive move getting into bed with a party that not only has historically links to terrorism and into the. but whose opinions about gay rights is incredibly backwards about abortions and women's rights you know all of these kind of things i think is a very very worrying situation that these people when they're propping up our government so thank you things. well we just heard about the anti jory not one day more demonstration but as northern ireland's orange order prepares to march today ahead of the twelfth of july about the boy and celebrations has to raise a maze deal with people the good friday agreement and peace process into jeopardy joining me is belfast former lord mayor and the treasury spokesman it's and samuels an m.p.

for east and sammy thanks for coming on you've got one hundred million quid each from tourism a could you got more money well i don't i mean the negotiations were going in negotiations were tough on the government you that our leverage was fairly limited because we would not be supporting a labor government led by jeremy carbon so they knew that there wasn't really an alternative of part why did we need to give you any kal-l. to all i think we're never going to vote against terrorism i think that first of all there's a recognition at westminster you don't get support for nothing i mean we want to elect those conservatives were elected the city you pay so if the government wish to have our support of course was going to be a price to pay for that we'll give you a quote from lord m.p. former leader of the ulster unionist party the mainstream unionist party as it were before your party which was previously do paramilitaries a game of political success he said unionists must never create the impression their beliefs are cash based seems to be calling it begging bowl unionism well of course don't forget the conservative party is a unionist party and we support the union the conservative party wants to leave the

e.u. and leave the on the best possible terms we want to leave the the conservative party is committed to the defense of the realm and building up the armed forces the cabinet speech that you were given to do on the i see this as being a mains of restoring some of the broken relationships which there are a northerner at the moment in the tourism is now on the record because of the. deals saying that privileged will be the violence done by partisans to catholics what. catholics do to british security well you know that's not what she has said what's what she has said is that this is a day that first of all gives us an economic package which will impact on the lives of all of the people in northern ireland whether they voted for my party or whether they didn't and i think that secondly worsham feehan have tried to tear down in the park sharing structures in northern ireland i think a little niehaus second thoughts about that because of course the alternative of

not governing our sails as to how of northern governed by a government at westminster which has the u.p.a. influence which is kind of heading heading that way but i sure as the both you engine faint your veins and we will be going with you intimated a soft border off the bricks of between north and well that's an objective which not only the u.k. government has said of seeking the northern of the family has said the seeking the government in the republic of ireland has said it wants to achieve and data this being top of the agenda for the you negotiate hers as well so this idea and again this was a convenient argument fortune feehan to make for the assembly elections and suddenly there is going to be barbed wire along the border and help to motivate their troops and get the might etc they know what's nonsense the reality is that it's nonsense that we have not such a border since one thousand nine hundred forty all odds and we will not be returning to such a border and indeed all of the people involved in the goosey actions have said that they will find

a way round up but they will not be any big investigations into security forces british security forces killing catholic civilian well what we have said is that we want to qualify for those who served in the armed forces in northern ireland with the kind of treatment which should be given to terrorist with don't forget as a result of the good friday agreement terrorists not have letters from twenty blair which allow them to you. come back into northern ireland and not be prosecuted they helping republicans say they so that really did serve their time in fact and many of them the reason why they needed the letters was because they never served their time they were never taken to court because they left the jurisdiction and they have not been given the stakes and we are saying that if you cannot have a situation where terrorists were given the stakes and get the process of law pursues those people who were engaged in defending the country from terrorism even when they use torture well that any any of those allegations have already been investigated this is not

a bite whether people use torture or whatever i say this is. a monster probably on this here probably got on the city of course there are terrorist use torture murder and discriminate the killings of civilians and in fact stropping catholics and to cars and then sending them to pull on the post and blowing them up along with their car and the terrorists who did that were granted immunity and it's not just us who are arguing it's more than any raise a way must be nice to resolve a deal and many people well even before the day when many conservative m.p.'s were supporting us and ensuring that there was some statute of limitations which prevented investigations into those kinds of incidents prior to two thousand just is not immunity for people who have engaged in terrorist activity so i will send thank you and we'll get into there's allegations in an upcoming episode of going underground after the break the a.b.c.

d's of corporate power and the full spectrum dominance of what we buy private enterprise and lobbying and tourism if b.m. cues we call when he's trying to turn britain to defend his way of life all the more going overboard to him going underground. backscatter survival guide a single malt to start. the. repatriation with the rest to seventy years. old the separate kaiser report.

i've negotiated with the palestinians under oath official and unofficial it's for hundreds and thousands of what i have seen is that the palestinians speak. or nothing. kind of. every time that we reach a juncture in which there was a possibility to resolve a conflict the palestinians just walked away. welcome back it didn't take too long for the ad hominem attacks of jeremy corbyn to start at this week's prime minister's questions the first since the british general election is the prime minister aware of the current crisis in venezuela and is this an example of how an experiment in socialist revolution can go horribly wrong no mention of attempted cia backed coups

a washington death squads that. i think i have to say smile a noble friend that i think he's made an extremely important point and i hope the needle the opposition has. to say indeed i have to say sometimes when we're talking about trade deals in the future i think the leader of the opposition is his shadow chancellor i think the only good trade deals with venezuela cuba north korea as for the leader of the opposition he wanted on says about the grunfeld how to. ragini which is now being investigated by a judge who ruled it was ok to allegedly socially cleanse and like him to raise i'm a appeared to want to ask questions instead of months of them the question is why is it that despite that we have seen in local authority area after local authority area materials being pushed up here not to comply with those building regulations and that is what we need to get to the bottom of why is it that far inspections that local authority inspections appear to have missed this essential issue maybe tourism

a forgot that it's prime minister's questions not jeremy corbin's questions i think i could help the prime minister with this issue when you cut low growth or to expenditure by forty two you end up with fewer building controlling. is pretty bad when people shout for somebody to be sitting right by the speaker's chair and shouting displays let's say a lack of wisdom tories will now screaming shame shame at corbin but he continued i was simply making the point which seems you've upset a lot of members opposite that when you cut local authority budgets by forty percent we all buy a price in public so you are inspectors if you are building controlled inspectors if you are planning inspectors we all pay a price those cuts the fire service have meant there are eleven thousand fewer firefighters. the public sector paid is hitting recruitment and retention

right across the public sector what the tragedy of brutal towers expose is the disastrous effects of a stereotype but as well as preparing for the mud doctor says you're not to vote down modest pay rises for firefighters or some tories wanted to talk about was corbin at the world's largest music festival glastonbury i was deeply alarmed to hear the report. that announcement made by the leader of the opposition last glastonbury festival that he if in power would abandon trident. to the boy the security and safety of our country with my rifle for the promise that i agree with me that it is only her government and the conservative party that provide the safety and security of our great country in the corbin denies this about the tried a nuclear weapon system designed to kill millions around the world but to resume who is on the record for saying she would not hesitate from pressing a button to kill hundreds of thousands of men women and children isn't convinced it

appears he says one thing to the many another thing to the fear a reference to corbin quoting socialist lines from the revolutionary poet shelley at glastonbury something his backbench blairites would never have done so what's happened to corbin's parliamentary labor enemies anyway well his new liberal rachel reeves in the political wilderness raising the topic of loneliness loneliness is bad for your health smoking fifteen cigarettes a day well the prime minister joined with the honorable member of the south ripple mysel it encouraging members from across the house to attend the john cox loneliness commission event in speaker's house immediately ask the prime minister's questions today to find out what all of us can do in all communities to tackle this blight on all sides here that's andy corbin pro austerity blairite rachel reeves talking about loneliness and a name checking murdered u.k. labor m.p. joe caulks whose posthumous charity the joe cox foundation gives money to al qaeda

linked white helmets in syria something the germy corbyn leader of the labor party has yet to acknowledge let alone this week's massive orders or collateral damage by the us coalition. twenty four hours since the national institute for health and care excellence released a report on the dangers of air pollution levels in the u.k. have green industries become a sigh of relief or last gust. for control as renewable energy to organic food becomes new liberalized in the fight for corporate dominance joining me now is professor of business history at the harvard business school jeffrey jones author of profits and sustainability the history of green on jupiter ship as donald trump wraps up his energy week to promote fossil fuels jeffrey welcome to going underground so within hours of doldrums saying he was getting out of the paris climate deal he began to be attacked by big business leaders some of them environmental there was a little north why should business leaders have more say than workers in the

midwest of america about how multinational businesses operate in their sustainability or lot of american big businesses now have a vested interest in sustainable or green industries jesus the largest producer of renewable energy in the united states one of the largest in the world exxon is under pressure from its own investors to explain their sustainability policies so it's a matter that they have thought a lot about that all multinational so they know the rest of the world is thinking about it and they're very upset if the trump policies lead to china taking the lead in green industries rather than themselves. as president of incremental when it comes to increasing sophistication of renewable technologies your book begins with the joy in re cook who coined the term health food store only about sustainable food in its origins or i've traced the origins of green

entrepreneurship back to the nineteenth century and to the food industry when a set of people including this cook guy in britain came to the conclusion that putting chemical fertilizers on the ground was causing a problem it was causing a problem to the soil. and it was a causing a potential problem to people's health so he pioneers the entire concept of a health food shop where the food was grown without chemical fertilisers because you mention it when it comes to fossil fuels company like maybe now know they're involved in renewables similarly maybe no food companies big food companies are involved in organic food. no they just taking over the joy in re cooks of this world they have lobbyists on k. street in washington d.c. persuading politicians against reforms on climate regulations don't they or and food companies they have lobbyists telling them please we don't want food labeling

of the ground mills i was reading a book once. to take over organic food companies are the same spends millions of dollars trying to fight food labeling. i mean the current state of what i call corporate in environmental ism is is a very contested one large corporations understand that there's a segment of consumers who are green so they're buying those brands. what they're not doing is greening their whole corporation and as i try to say in this book because it's really a crisis of legitimacy there's an apparent spread of greenness among business but when you look at what these large corporations do they are both polluters and angriness at the same time and what does one make of this will make it that does it make it difficult to have a good share of that which is by his companies is that one reason why it makes it very difficult to write

a book like this i was looking and this would no mention of coghill the big grain multinational company or. very little attacking. the big world in their shorts for exactly what you just. are the first point harvard business school does not. take sponsorship form companies so i'm pleased to say. although we have corporate donors . giving leaders of faculty under no pressure what they what they write at at all so that's that's quite an important point and we actually have a very large environmental group which is doing print the of criticism of a lot of corporations give away as wrote in this book i was primarily interested in this book in entrepreneurs who were motivated by include terms saving the planet

so that is the prime focus so large corporations only come in at the end and they come in and in a section when i'm talking about every morning and you talk about that i'm talking about greenwashing and i'm talking precisely about this apparent contradiction between suddenly every business is green and yet we know the planetary fundamentals are continuing to deteriorate how corrupt the companies in your book that i mean the famous stories about general motors bribing los angeles city council to destroy its public transport infrastructure people book. what about the conspiracies and corruption of these companies to deliberately change political power to make. state ability. even further dream that it may arguably be in the real issues i think a more sort of game playing with the rules pertaining to be green when you're

not green and the whole problem of certificate lends itself to that kind of world because companies can get them certified building certified as green even if they're in the middle of the deserts are companies can be top ranked as sustainable companies with very sort of peculiar metrics and some very serious problem because it means people don't know what green or sustainable is now in a world where everything appears green or sustainable and yet we know at the back of our minds that very little very little is so are you saying largely that of the i mean everyone recognises the increasing monopolization of different industries which is that there's big food companies just take over all the smaller organic food producers that if they organize they do grima just a few companies control of. cosmetically as well all these different things so maybe in one big rush suddenly business will become sustainable one of the things coming out of my book is that sustainability is not easy it's very costly. can a chief executive

a public own company now go to his board and say i want to dramatically. make all our processes more sustainable no they just lobby for tax relief for politicians or greens in willing to do what they did under the obama administration it was i mean i mean it's interesting that enron was the big. wind and solar energy company in the united states and its business was bought by g.e. which is famous for its tax planning i think we could call it other tax avoidance strategies. and so i mean and of course some say that all these companies that you will mention in the book the big companies are anyway enjoyed so much tax relief and so much secret government funding whether it be or in the coming out of publicly funded universities or whatever that actually this is really about public money not about the private or drip or looters singlehandedly running their organic food shops or it's i think there's

a real case that public corporations publicly quote corporations have limited ability to operations if you look at some truly sustainable companies like sports where company or at doorway to patagonia where he. explicitly said he's not going to go public because if he went public. what he's trying to achieve couldn't couldn't capitalism at fault in effect because if he doesn't go public he's never going to get the message has been to make a move a massive company is a problem here is got i think the cap i wouldn't say capitalism a capitalist it's the the capital capital markets the public markets and at the moment we. i don't have a system that builds in to build sustainability into how the capital markets

work or how to direct the corporation to interpret. if you sustainability was put into the concept of fit to shoot u.t. for example then directors would be incentivized to take it a lot more seriously but it's not. it is for shareholders and shareholder value to maximize that and they risk being sued suddenly in the united states if they dramatically reduce earnings in order to invest in more sustainable. jeffrey jones thank you and that's it for the show we're back on monday when we all school time is the most common noun in the english language bill that he would touch was

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