well i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture fifty years after the summer of love a half a year into the trump administration one can they teach us about how to survive in the age of. goldberg in just a moment and a new study shows that the republican health care bill is

a giant wealth redistribution scheme for the rich when they become conservative to push socialism for little kratz as john stier and charles sauer and i sloan liberal rumpel. the first six months of the trump administration have been characterized by two things chaos in the white house and activism in the streets americans are now protesting like they haven't protested in decades and for those people who were alive in the sixty's there is something awful familiar about it all which raises the question what were the sixty's really like and why are they still so relevant fifty years later those questions are at the heart of my next guest's new book joining me now is dan goldberg president of village gold entertainment and author of the must read new book in search of the last chord nine hundred sixty seven in

the idea that any goldberg welcome welcome back. thank you so much tom great to have you with us so as i mentioned your new book is titled search at last chord sixty eight hundred sixty seven. why the word idea and what was behind me idea speaking as a guy who erred on our shoulders in the sixty's not sure i can summarize it. well the reason i used the phrase hippie idea is because the x. turn all symbols of hippies the long hair that you mention the colorful shirts the language hip and groovy and far out all were very very quickly drained of meaning by media scrutiny predators commercialization and so forth and i feel if i had been born ten or fifteen years later i probably would've like the punk movement had contempt for the cartoon version of hippie that emerged into the media by the seventy's but there was an essence behind it that existed externally for

a fragile period of approximately a year there was a spiritual movement it was it was an antidote primarily to materialism and the idea that people are just solely defined by how much money they have or or what their position is in political organization or what university they went to and it changed. the political movements as well the civil rights movement obviously had emerged in the one nine hundred fifty s. . with dr king leading the montgomery bus boycott and the brown versus board of education decision and the vietnam war protest movement started earlier in the sixty's as as. scholars and others question the rationale for the war and the kind of cold war fundamentalism that got us into it. but the hippie ideas spoke to a mass of millions of people who were never going to read

a marxist tract or necessarily even sit in a lunch counter and it was it was a parallel movement that was broader it was not activist inherently but it stimulated activism and i think the balance between activism and spirituality was the hippie idea it didn't last long the word hippie again during the meeting but i draw inspiration from it particularly now because it seems like as important as protests on the street are and the need for people to go to town meetings with congress people and complain about the idea of their health care being taken away and to to defend the right of. immigrants and women and others who are feeling very vulnerable right now. that if it's all anger it's not going to be successful there has to be a balance between anger and compassion and dr king was the great example our of

this back in the day and i believe his murder in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight was one of the things that killed off the possibility of there being connective tissue between the movements of the time and and the more establishment world the murders of him and bobby kennedy. but i think that there are there are lessons of what to do and what not to do one thing not to do is to look down on people that are in our tribe because tribalism ultimately can't succeed if it's coming from the left it's great for oligarchy they like to divide us all into tribes but if we want to create a majority hereon democratic world we have to transcend tribalism and the sixty's had way too much tribalism including on the left there were arguments between those that favored violence and nonviolence between those that thought the inner path was the most important thing that only political action was meaningful and there were arguments even within each category at tom haynes memorial service

a few months ago there were people still on stage at his memorial service arguing against the candidacy of eugene mccarthy instead of bobby kennedy a fifty year old argument within the reformist wing of the democratic party we don't have the luxury of that today there has to be a way of having opinions and still respecting people who we agree with ninety percent of the time so i think that's one of the lessons of the sixty's is not to become imprisoned by tribalism but at the same time the other lesson to me is to balance the inner path with the outer path because anger alone it doesn't seem to me works in your book you focus on one hundred sixty seven not sixty eight or sixty nine which are usually considered the big years of the sixty's why sixty seven. well i feel that sixty seven was the last moment when there was the balance of those energies as i just spoke about. one thing that happened was the haight

ashbury neighborhood of san francisco which had been a huge cultural source of inspiration for the hippie movement was destroyed by the publicity that the movement there was this thing called the began in january of sixty seven fifty thousand people came the media came and by the end of sixty seven that neighborhood which had. nurtured creativity and counterculture idealism for the previous couple of years was destroyed by an influx of one hundred thousand desperate kids junkies predators and so forth. l.s.d. had been made illegal at the end of sixty six and the early people who manufactured l.s.d. were visionaries and idealists. but it quickly became the province of criminals and dope dealers and by sixty eight sixty nine you had you had the same people that were selling psychedelic selling heroin and speed you had you had bad acid if anyone remembers the movie woodstock when they say don't take the brown acid that's what they were talking about you had a violent reaction from the government j.

edgar hoover as head of the f.b.i. was ten times worse than anything we've seen lately despite the issues we've had with the f.b.i. many of us. and. so all of these things and the assassinations conspired to make things much darker the sixty's still existed the turmoil went well into the seventy's many people think not until watergate was it really over but sixty seven to me it was when the balance of spirituality hippie idealism and activism created a different feeling a feeling of camaraderie and sweetness people used to refer to the greek word gop a which means universal love there was a moment when you really could walk down the street see someone and feel you had a friend or brother or sister. and that ended because of the things that i said morphed into other things and you know every year has its own interesting things but i felt sixty seven had

a unique balance between these forces when the mass media did focus on these bohemian ideas but it's before ruin them after all sixty seven is the idea the beatles met the maharishi and introduced the word meditation into pop culture is the year the rock n roll business really exploded with by jimi hundred. janis joplin the doors the grateful dead pink floyd sly and the family stone and the velvet underground all of the same year the year of the peak of the beatles' career with all you need is love and sergeant pepper's also in foreign affairs the year the six day war there's anything from fifty years ago that still affects us today it was that the murder of che guevara the year that dr king came out against the war in vietnam and the year that muhammad ali was convicted of draft evasion the year of the worst urban race riots or rebellions as some people call them since the civil war a lot was going on all at the same time but the hippie suite in this was still strong enough to create

a certain feeling and that's the last chord i'm trying i try to discover through kind of a granular mosaic of a few hundred different things that were happening that year but god knows sixty eight sixty nine seventy two thousand and seventeen every year has amazing things going on in it but since i graduated from high school in sixty seven and this is the fiftieth anniversary of all these things i thought it was a good subject for a book i absolutely agree in the sixty's the principle force as it were against which people were reacting seemed to be the war in vietnam and you know principally i mean literally the you know our government is trying to kill us based on a lie i mean the and pretty much everybody knew it today it seems that the principal force that people are reacting to is the rise of oligarchy jimmy carter on my program talking about how america is not even a democracy anymore we're an oligarchy with limited political bribery his words. what can we learn from the sixty's that we can use in the twenty seven teens.

in the two minutes we have left here danny. in europe what is in your opinion that we can learn from that. well. my principal hero of the sixty's is dr king there are a lot of other people i write about it admired allen ginsberg a lot of musicians. but dr king's belief was through soul force through moral force you could transform people and he figured out a way to get at the conscience of white america i think we have to get into the conscience of the families of oligarchy we have to get into the consciences and find the commonality of beliefs with people that are suspicious of liberalism. and i just think it's a long road but it's a road that you can't walk down without love is corny as that sounds there are some lefties that have it criticized saying that's not practical in the trump era but i'd like to know what is practical because we know that yelling and screaming is

insufficient that doesn't mean there aren't things that you should protest about round us recently wrote protest resist but do it with love and i think that's the only way to go i don't think it's easy but i think the other thing we have to do is find common ground between the people who were hillary people the people who are bernie people the occupy people the democratic party people we're going to disagree on things but there has to be some commonality of values and ethics where we can respect each other enough to be a cohesive united force to present the real alternative vision to authoritarianism because if we keep bickering i think that the minority that supports trump are going to continue to prevail well said danny goldberg the book is search of the last chord or search for the last chord nine hundred seventy hippie idea danny thanks so much for being with us. tom thanks you for talking with us coming up republicans say they love capitalism but the truth truth is they're actually big

fans of socialism i'll explain why in tonight's lone liberal rumble jeff stier and charles sauer right it. is a real irony going. to play a responsible way from the people and that's all you saw that's what it was so it's not supposed to be a little more airy now a full sail surveillances c o u m o meanwhile those soon to do so since the instructor has used a cell stimulator well i always thought that story was a scar or a real. i

think the average viewer just after watching a couple segments understands that we're telling stories in our critics can't tell me you know why because their advertisers more let them. in order to create change you have to be honest you have to tell the truth parties able to do that every story is built on going after the back story to what's really happening out there to the american what's happening when a corporation makes a pharmaceutical chills people when a company in the environmental business ends up polluting a river that causes cancer and other illnesses they put all the health risk all the dangers out to the american public those are stories that we tell every week and you know what they're working. with holds an institution. they put themselves on the lawn. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be.

considered right to be precise that's why the factory of them can't be good to pass i'm interested in the why is a. half question. republicans have always said they're the party of liberty and freedom so why are you not trying to make our internet more like china's let's rumble. with me for that as long. as your fellow and head of the risk analysis division the national center for public policy research and charles our economist and president

of the market institute thank you both for being with us and i'm going to have you instead we're here in the studio jeff indeed ok so today tech companies activists and politicians alike are holding a day of action nationwide to rally the public against the f.c.c. is plan to kill net neutrality the legal principle of bans internet service providers like comcast from korea from blocking websites they don't like or grabbing all your personal information from your emails to the websites you visit as you run your data through their through their systems to give just one example of how companies are participating reddit is greeting uter users who visit its home page with a pop up window warning them what will happen to the internet without neutrality pop up window also directs users to the reddit petition page so a few years ago a reddit user name quink he created a graphic showing how without net neutrality a fictional service provider named telco might offer a basic service for twenty five a month but that will only get access to a user to

a very very basic set of websites want to do a little research other telcos plan because you have five bucks a month to use search engines water watch c.n.n. that's another five dollars package for u.s. news and if you want to read the b.b.c. that would be another five dollars for foreign news this is what you guys want the internet to look like and you really want comcast to know everything about every website you visit every. forme you put in everything everything you say on email and only you love looking at these bizarre alternative universes the internet was its computer network government networks and go away with us with our text i was made it war what made it so wonderful that changed lives and saves lives was no your trial it was the private sector when the government tried to take over when the government tried to step in and take control and if the government try to take control and tried to when they tried to turn it into we control and everything why did that happen in the last never just know we've never been when how do we have a right now they have

a right that government is there tekton us from congress and what you're asserting happened the way that the gov the internet was built were these companies working together oh yes it was we don't found that advanced research projects administration darpa it was called darpa and that we have as far as i the ad know the r. and d. happened that not knowing i was put out was in there to know what it was really interesting as internet service providers internet service providers decided to work together they let people into their heated with each other oh well i reckon i learned over dinner service provider for years i don't you know i used to run connoisseur before there was an internet he said the keyword they competed yes and you don't want competition no i don't want competition and that's the problem think government to decide who gets sorry it's ok if you're in france you can choose from almost two hundred different i asked phones and that's why there are thirty let me finish my sentence here for thirty seven dollars a month in france you get one hundred mip download fifty minute upload you get free cell phone service to thirty eight twenty eight countries and you get two hundred

for the long and you get two hundred fifty channels on your under t.v. i get why i was in france by law i know the government does not control it by law in france wherever owns the copper coming into your house the copper of the fiber the pipe has to lease on that copper to any other internet service and i haven't had. small problem that's how the govern this is exactly home was back when i was running compu serve you use a telephone service look here's a look at what built the internet i was commenting on there were hundreds of miles speeds were down to a dozen nama if i were in a mob monopoly when you're finished with your sentence let me just say that the government took over when it decided how would these resources can be divided if you wanted to be divided as if it's this public service like the phone like that and it's not and now i'm sort of is outlawed right now and that's what it is when the government you're in defacto no so so you're changing from it being a free market to being now it belongs to the people and what i'm telling you is

that public resources not our resources are then there's no basis for the neutrality law the big yes so it's a base because the net neutrality laws to protect us from colorado when i was realities and for one thing you're talking about neutral neutrality for the service providers on top of the internet the people that actually provide the backbone you don't want neutral you want to stomp your the government on to their next that's not i'm not sure i'm well that's because you didn't say it because it doesn't make your point you're trying to make i don't want to i don't want eighteen or cods or agony or for the n.s.a. for everybody like they did anybody want to know well no that's not a conspiracy i was actually you know so slow to secure is on time different world view my view and i think we agree here is that the public should decide with its resources who the winners and losers are if someone is a fact if a company is good if there is a lot of broadband that's necessary to say run netflix then there should be access

to it let consumers decide not the government because that's when wait let me finish my sentence because that's where when the government comes in that's where we have the swamp that's where the lobbyists come in and decide who gets what that's the people vs petition the people can't decide in a monopolistic world are you going to turn into a novelist or backbone by having lobbyists and the big waves would be in charge of it is. who the left wants in charge of the internet we don't want the twenty eight year old bureaucrats we want the people competing if i want to take over takes a twenty eight year old bureaucrat to say to comcast no you may not read charles sours e-mails when he says the answer is to stop the same jeff stier no you may not slow down at c.b.s. and a.b.c. because you own n b c i n if you may not do that i understand takes a twenty year old bureaucrat to do that i lot hear of those aren't you somebody on your side here netflix is on your side of the debate they proud of their own customers and blame the i.r.s. piece for it that's what i'm opposed to i want and i want now it will not be the

world that looks where this happened let kaleido world is the way the internet has been all the time no it's not this is the very first time that the big internet service conglomerates are wanting to amend it over because the government wants to turn it into a public utility you want already a public option like the post office it is i will already have a public utility that is more governed by title two i want which is what turned it into a government invests right just like our phone service we had just had is that if you like the mail toots that i will tell you says we are going on inside of the cell service you want to join we talk over each other nobody can hear it wants so get me high don't to says that the phone company cannot listen in on your phone conversation and charge you a different price based on who you're talking to you want to charge you want to say that on the internet that comcast can listen into my what i'm doing on the internet and charge me different prices based on who and what website i'm reading or you don't that is that's why that is nonsense go for the nonsense that you want to take than the internet which has done so much good and turning as it was literally yes and turner and truly want to turn it we've all known that if you're out on camera

phone talking at the same time tom you're right no but they get one they get that get that idea once tonight but but here's the thing when the government runs things like the post office it doesn't go well the post office doesn't even titian you want to turn it into the post office controlled by the government who picking winners and losers i want to pose that very i want. tumours to decide the post office then return the engine internet to the post on it does what it is you who you experienced when they want to accomplish it they want to get mailed so remote locations i want are going to post i want to be competition all right center republicans will release an update i want competition to and that's why we need net among the obvious senate republicans for her place an updated version of their so-called health care plan tomorrow we still don't know the details but if this updated so-called health care bill is anything like the current version the better reconciliate abetter care reconciliation act it's a massively regressive wealth redistribution scheme that impoverishes militant all america while giving a six hundred billion dollars tax break to the top one percent that is literally

socialism for the rich when did the some one socialism for the rich become a conservative principle seems to me like it was probably back during the beginning of the bush administration when dick cheney came in with all those bankrupt alibre in stock and they said oh no balance going bankrupt because your blood dresser industries great will give them billions of dollars of no bid contracts and dick cheney becomes a multimillionaire again. yeah so i mean let's talk about the way that the bill actually works obamacare had two hundred forty insurance companies participating in the individual market at the beginning it only has one hundred forty insurance companies now participating in the individual market is what obamacare you love company that's the bill that i helped work with that actually does that and we don't repeal the taxes but the but the problem with that is that republicans won't go for it if they have feels as though it's critical and that's the that's the issue but taxes are bad for the economy it's not just the one percent it's flowed

through taxes that are coming through l.l.c. which there is actually is imes of highest taxation in a sense for the times of greatest prosperity same is true in europe and actually i don't if i think following metric though right it's high prosperity than high taxes than most prosperity lower down no need to be the way the top tax rate was ninety one percent one hundred forty the forty's the fifty's the sixty's the seventy's we did great reagan dropping the obvious rate and we have never seen three per decade let's bring growth and the size of government back to the size it was back then talk to sam brownback that worked out really well for cannot i'm just a word against you what you want in order to do that you're going to have to kill off about sixty million americans because the population has already got to climate change the left would love that they don't even want the i'm serious your argument is specious your are going to you have to do is kill off programs like the medicaid expansion which we know from studies doesn't actually do anything for people's health save twenty thousand lives a year that's not true if you actually look at the studies like the already the

american medical association actually looked at people they randomly got are to university the american medical association and you guys are getting along on the people on one and on and random studies if you look at the only randomized study on medicaid it does nothing for people but if you want to cite bad science then by all means you can go with a bunch of different cultures there's a lot of people out there on medicaid who would be. they would not do a better under a private system who would not tell you that is an example i am an expert and this is where i spent a lot of my time researching there was a program called the prevention fund that was originally part of the stimulus bill and then was part of obamacare and it was prevention money prevent disease sounds good that money was a slush fund used by the c.d.c. to ban smoking not only to ban smoking but to many cigarettes which helps people quit from smoking and they didn't do it at the federal level they were doing it at local level so they were using that money to lobby against something that could help people quit smoking in philadelphia that fund which we're cutting back now

hopefully that fund was used to give out money cash for small groups small stores bodegas to buy a refrigerator for people so that they could have vegetables in their bodega the problem is to fight obesity the problem is the bodega has already had refrigerators but they sold beer because that's what people want to buy these are the opposite of market based solutions are more like on the left what does this have to do with your ability to take away the better sort of people it's not that we want to take away health care the health care bill i think you want to give small email your question or get a prevention fund which was part of which was funded by obamacare the prevention model obamacare was a slush fund for the c.d.c. and i know you weren't sure and all of these are all it was a slush fund charles jeff it's great having you both here i hope you made i enjoy ok thank you and that's the way it is that i don't forget democracy is not a spectator sport get out there get active take your.

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