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equals power who must it's not business as usual it's business like it's never been done before. well intel hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture detroit michigan is the birth town of motown soul and the auto industry in the united states it's also the birthplace of the modern republican party historian scott courage we'll explain why

in just a moment and the chaotic past seventy two hours of its so-called health care reform effort that exposed the republican party for what it is partly party and fundamentally unfit to govern this country i'll explain why in tonight's lone liberal rumble dave brooks and charles. the presidency of donald trump has brought about what is arguably the greatest political crisis in recent american history but this crisis didn't just come out of nowhere it's the direct result of a much bigger crisis that according to my next guest began fifty years ago in detroit michigan joining me now is scott kershaw get the award winning professor of american and ethnic studies at the university of washington and author of the new book the fifty year rebellion of the u.s. political crisis began in detroit scott khurshid

a welcome to the program thank you for having me tom thanks for joining us so scott what exactly happened in detroit fifty years ago. well as many people know the city did erupt in late july of one hundred sixty seven fifty years ago but the problems in detroit really didn't begin in one hundred sixty seven they were long standing there were problems with job discrimination with housing discrimination and particularly rampant problems with police brutality and that's really what touched off the rebellions not just in detroit but really are throughout america in the late night and sixty's and and your book challenge challenges the notion that what we commonly call the detroit riots were were actually riots you call them an uprising why and why is that distinction so important. i think it's really important because if the term right usually connotes a problem with violence and lawlessness that generally means a response of what. nixon who became president one hundred sixty or with elected

it's a called a a call for law and order and by calling it a rebellion really in this came from african-americans in detroit themselves they were drawing attention the fact that the events were not necessarily politically coordinated and it's not that the rebellion itself was necessarily a political movement but the underlying conditions were what caused the underlying conditions of oppression were what caused people to act out of frustration and this is a time when ninety five percent of the police force was white in a city that was on the cusp of becoming half and eventually majority black almost all the elected officials school officials were white and so people did not have a lot of confidence in the system itself to bring about justice in the j. curve fieri rebellion suggests that. it's not horrible circumstances that call caused people to rebel there are countries all over the world where people live in ways that even the most the poorest and most oppressed in the united states you know would would you know blow their minds but rather that when people's

expectations of the present in the future in particular start to significantly diverge from the reality that they're experiencing and that's the point at which at which rebellion happens i'm wondering it to to what extent the the civil right act as civil rights act of the voting rights act just a few years before these this rebellion what has been referred to as the riots might have had something to do with creating the expectation that things were going to get better and then the the institution just kind of didn't move for or is that just a complete is that not part of us. you know i would agree and i would even go a step further go back to the 1930's detroit was really at the center of the rise of the labor movement the modern labor movement in this country that led to you know an increase in wages lead to benefits lead to the type of health care and eventually the labor movement had an impact as well on public policy so we get things like unemployment insurance social security detroit was at the center of

that and it was for millions of european immigrants and white americans that the labor movement created the american middle class and so when african-americans are leaving the jim crow south which of course was you know notoriously a site of white supremacist terror earlier in the twentieth century they're coming to cities like detroit because of the economic opportunities that have opened up and the civil rights movement is in many ways as it moved to the north pushed to ensure that the same opportunities that elevated so many white americans into the middle class would provide opportunities for african-americans and so it's the combination i think of the power of the labor movement the part of the civil rights movement that raises expectations i think that's also the main reason why detroit really becomes a target for the right wing and it took them fifty years but eventually they achieved in essence a complete political power of the city well and apropos that you talk in your book about how that he tried uprising for evoked a right wing counter revolution here phrase talk about that what were the long and

short term effects of that counterrevolution sure i mean again we can talk about as an upgrading and certainly there were people that that rose up and they there was primarily though the the. participants of the we're targeting property when you look at who actually died almost the vast majority of those killed were killed by law enforcement and so this call for law and order really starts during the uprising itself and afterwards you know at the time president johnson is actually during the detroit rebellion creating the what called it's called the kernel commission the national advisory commission on civil disorder is the current commission actually called for. what we could look back in retrospect as the equivalent of a domestic marshall plan they called for expansive investments and unprecedented investments in education and employment and welfare and housing and they said you know if it requires a massive tax increase to do that this is what society must commit to so they were

and this is a bipartisan commission made up almost entirely of societal eat that was quite adamant that the problems in detroit and cities across america were deeply rooted in society they weren't just a short term thing and they required a deep structural response instead of the war on poverty because this narrative of it's a riot and it really just requires you know a police law and order response and a lot of this is rooted in racial stereotypes as well what you get is a real shift from the nation focusing on a war on poverty towards a war on crime so today in detroit you know over four hundred million dollars a year is spent simply keeping people from detroit in prison why how did all these developments lead directly to donald trump. well detroit had been you know one of the main places where you have a shift of white population from the city to the side but this was happening well before nine hundred sixty seven that accelerates after nine hundred sixty seven and

this shift of the. base of the republican party moving really to the suburbs it's what's happening in this time as well and so you know if you look at the so-called reagan democrats phenomenon one of the major studies of that was of suburban detroit and they noticed that again a lot of blue collar white voters were shifting their loyalties from the democrats to the republicans in the age of reagan in large measure because of their antipathy towards detroit becoming a majority black and politically empowered black city and so the democratic party was associated with with what many of these suburban white voters saw as reverse racism they saw there was a real backlash of the civil rights movement and there was this new opportunity this really new opening that reagan was quite skillful at seizing up on you know reagan of course talked about welfare queens and the welfare queen who was very much both a gendered and racialized subject became the stereotype that was used to launch the

attack on so-called big government and the first speech he gave after he got the republican nomination was in philadelphia mississippi the the the the county were former chaney and goodman were murdered the three civil rights workers down in mississippi. you know another shout out to the to the white racist base you argue that the bringing this back to contemporary times you argue that the political career of the education secretary in michigan native betsy device is symbolic of what happened in detroit how so. well if you look at what happened with education in detroit so the city of detroit was taken over by an emergency manager in two thousand and thirteen so the elected government of detroit the mayor the city council all of them were completely stripped of their powers and the republican governor was simply able to appoint a bankruptcy attorney to run every aspect of the city and so this is why you know again even though the city is votes regularly over ninety percent against

republican presidential candidate you essentially had right wing policies governing the entire city and they've been put in place even though nominally the city's got its government back the financial policies have been put in place have to by law basically stay in place for at least thirteen years so that's happening at the city where the bill but before that even happened the entire detroit public school district was put under an emergency manager starting in one nine hundred ninety nine by governor engler who was the republican governor a while before. their current one snyder and at that time the. city school district still had about one hundred sixty two thousand students now there are forty seven thousand since the emergency manager took over they closed one hundred ninety five schools where did the students go some of them went to the suburbs but what's happened in cities like detroit and it's happened in michigan almost. at a bigger scale than anywhere else is the charter school industry simply exploded and michigan's laws allowed for profit charters become eighty percent of this now

billion dollar a year industry and the charter schools are not performing any better they're not accountable there's literally you know nothing to ensure that these students get a decent education in fact there was recently response from the state of michigan to a lawsuit saying that students don't have any constitutional guarantee to literacy and so they're able to fire back against a lawsuit brought forward by parents and betty davis was funding this she funded the charter school movement what she saw as a step towards she wanted values for parochial schools and this attack on public schools and in the name of school choice but it's really privatization. has just devastated the public school districts. in michigan but particularly in detroit and this is not seen as a problem this is actually seen as a model that vos and others would like to bring to the whole country so she's plow she sees that as a success in the in the final minute we have here scott a big theme in your book is also how detroiters are fighting back against the dnd

realisation of their city and its takeover by the plutocrats can talk about that what does that resistance look like and what can americans in other parts of the country of our country learn from it. absolutely i mean there is no doubt there's an economic crisis it's affecting black people the second might be able to have acting immigrants affecting people of all races and you know just like in the in the school choice movement we've been sold really a set of false choices we need real economic opportunities and choices to respond to this crisis there's no doubt that there is an economic crisis in detroit but what we need is not you know we're not going to be saved by neal liberal policies that got the power of unions that. got pensions and they got health benefits what we need is a real choice where people are actually coming together creating local economic priorities that are doing things in detroit like turning the vacant lots into urban farms creating schools that put the emphasis on developing critical thinking and student solving problems rather than just you know being trained to be mindless

workers these are the types of things are actually having the grassroots in detroit has always been a movement city it still is a movement city in many ways that's why it came under attack but in many ways that's why detroit is in so many ways where we need to look for to see how the answers are coming from below are remarkable on a great book scott thanks so much for being with us tonight. thank you for having me my pleasure coming up republicans like paul ryan love to fear monger about creepy and socialism but the truth is they're perfectly fine with class warfare just long as it benefits the rich more on that tonight as long liberal rumba david brooks and charles sauer right after the break. there's a real irony going. responsible points in the point there is only supposed it's what the terms of dollars and always six units realistically. wholesale

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that's. not putting anything get in your way to bring it home to the american people. repeal and replace is dead wrong way of repeal want to replace whatever the fate of the senate's senate g.o.p. so-called health care bill is the chaotic past seventy two hours of obamacare repeal make one thing very very clear the republican party is simply not fit to govern let's roll. joining me for tonight's rubble are dave brooks associate editor of the daily

caller and charles sauer economist and president of the market institute thank you both for being here i think you have it was so donald trump met with the republican senators at the white house today and said afterwards that they shouldn't leave town without passing a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. is not an option and frankly i don't think we should leave town unless we have. a health insurance plan unless we can give our people great health care because with close very close ally was fast just yesterday trump was responding to the collapse of the republican party's so-called health care bill by saying that republicans should just what obamacare fail and then come up with an alternative meanwhile senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he's still going to hold a vote extra week on a bill to repeal obamacare without a replacement a bill that the c.e.o. says would result in thirty two million americans losing their health insurance

isn't this all the logical end result of what happens when a party that doesn't know how to govern tries to govern i get the republican party does outrage really well but governing it's not thirty two million people would lose their insurance it's thirty two million people would be projected. who have insurance now and i wouldn't have it them less insurance it's people that choose not to have health insurance it's not that the bill takes it away but the one thing that the last seventy two hours proves is that leadership is hard look when president obama came into office he had a sixty vote majority in the senate and he was unable to pass health care reform with that sixty vote majority that isn't a filibuster proof majority wait a second it passed the affordable care act it's not about they passed it after he lost it they didn't get what he wanted he wanted a single payer i mean on the campaign trail seventy two times he said that single payer is the way you know that's what he proposed what he proposed was romney care with

a public option and joe lieberman made him pull the public option out of there i mean this was. his for but there is absolute knowledge that third options didn't pass it was only after they finally figured out how to get things together that they were able to cobble something together and pass it with a fifty vote bill and not the not the sixty vote bill that they want to what does that have to do with trump's inability to pass anything i would put this on trump i would. put this on the republicans and i do think that you make a good point the republicans are showing an inability to govern that is going to hurt them come come you know maybe on this midterm but maybe twenty twenty if you look in the past sure the republicans did well in two thousand and sixteen they gained state legislators and governorships but they also lost two senate seats they lost some congressional seats in the house and while they still have majorities in both the house and in the senate they have they have steadily they have been declining since twenty sixteen when they gained the nine senators take back the senate so this raises the question of why i mean i would suggest that the reason why republicans are having such

a struggle particularly with health care is that the help the republican health care plan was romney care mitt romney that ran for president he instituted in massachusetts and it was put together by the heritage foundation was first introduced to the united states public in nine hundred seventy two i richard nixon the democrats' health care plan was rolled out by harry truman in one nine hundred forty eight and it was single pair and so i mean those are the two clear positions that either one of which you can construct something around lacking those two i don't know what the republicans have other than let's just go back to the bad old days where we're all getting essentially screwed by the insurance car stuff i wouldn't be so easy on trump i mean this is the guy who wrote the art of the deal he had right the art of the deal he had was going to write or he had a ghostwriter he put his name on the art of the deal and we're see why it was a ghostwriter and not him that wrote it he has failed to really engage capitol hill in any sort of meaningful way but on the other hand you're right i mean the

heritage foundation supported the individual mandate they pushed it in romney care they were out in other states at the time pushing it in colorado and this is a problem they are one of the larger think tanks in washington d.c. they have put been pushing this a better narrative since then but it's confusing to the right when you have the major think tank pushing just their own and no evidence to me dave of actually any alternative. with that that the trump would say ok here's the alternative we're going to do this. take it he is giving a lot of ability to paul ryan as mitch mcconnell to make this legislation right and you saw the same thing actually in a president obama it took almost a year to pass the affordable care act as doing so he while he has a hands a hands on approach and you know he had a dinner today with are the lunch with the senators and he brings them over he is giving them ability to do this but he's also you know he has to decide exactly like what you're saying what does he want if that's going to be a repeal the repeal of it's going to be repeal and replace what exactly are we

getting and i think that that needs to be clear the american people are that's that's the sticker i mean you said to do this and what is this i don't think anybody other than getting rid of obamacare and i'm not sure that anybody has a clear handle on that and house republicans of unveiled their ten year budget proposal it's a monument to the kind of class warfare they've been waging on working americans since reagan the so-called building a better america budget calls for two hundred three billion dollars in cuts in domestic spending mostly via cuts to programs like medicaid medicare and social security at the same time however it also calls for increasing military spending by seventy three billion dollars this all of course violates donald trump's camp campaign promises never to touch the social safety net and stop wasting money on our military so why are republicans ok with class warfare when it's being waged against working people i don't get it. this is this is supposed to be their base well part of this part of the problem is is the waste that's in medicare and that's

in medicaid i think that if they were able to if you think there's less waste in the pentagon. on this two trillion dollars in the hole and has been successfully audited since the seventy's i believe you know it's by the pentagon's actually on track to be audited now the the current guy the legislation was passed to us at the pentagon under president obama the guy that's taken over that job he's actually i believe grover norquist like cousin or brother or nephew. said he's ready to do it and took the job wanting to do it so we might actually get that i'm a believer that there's a lot of waste in the pentagon and that increasing the budget and today's tight budgetary environment is irresponsible but cutting money back from medicaid which hasn't proven to do any good for the people that get it and cutting from other programs is should be on the table what about your say in the roughly seventy percent of medicaid recipients who are children and elderly people are getting no

benefit from medicaid i'm saying that as a science i mean maybe roughly thirty percent who are mostly are the working poor they're getting no benefit i'm saying that it's a society i'm saying that the science agrees with me on this the owner of science there is there is science that agrees with me the only randomized study that talks you know you heard out that it's got nothing to do that what do you mean it's on medicaid it's on medicaid it's on a it's that study was on how quickly it takes for people who have never before had health insurance in their lives to figure out how the system works and get into it and their outcome the really has a lot of people didn't even know where to go to a doc the end result was a study was that. if there was no health benefits for people and there are no i don't exist studies down a credit demonstrating the efficacy of medicaid going all the way back to the one nine hundred sixty s. why does he plays it make money off of trials you can eyeball was not even out of context and say that's nonsense but i would say today it was revealed i think there

was about four hundred. prescription providers that were overcharging for opioids and we have the opioid crisis since today oh yeah that's why i think it's i think it's much but we've just got to help. that is not a good thing eventually but after how many millions of dollars that they wasted through government programs so the government throws money at these things and then they never give enough oversight to see that they're being charged out the wall whether it was in the government throwing them money it was it was doing made here i mean it was an anybody who's taking opiates right and it wasn't just medicare i mean they were ripping everybody else right but when you have the government being the number one provider of health care in the country and the movement to make it the the number one provider for most americans you're going to come into these problems where they know that they could they have a cash cow and they can milk that cash cow so unless we can tap those things with the rising cost of medicare it's going to be the majority of our budget and it's going to cripple the country so let's import a low import of drugs and produce produce some competition in the in the drug marketplace even even more than that what you have is the health care marketplace

where the person paying is only paying ten percent of the cost we have the insurance companies in the government where you have a pain the pain the guy that's on the supposed to work well it means that you don't have the same costs over say ok well moving along a few weeks ago the house appropriations committee raised some eyebrows among progressives wanted to prove an amendment by california congresswoman barbara lee to a bill repealing the two thousand and one authorization for use of military force. originally passed in the wake of nine eleven this was passed to give george bush the authority to go after al qaeda and the taliban specifically because of nine eleven but ever since then it's been it's just kind of turned into perpetual war and perpetual imperial presidency in the minute and a half or so we have left dave first your thoughts on this is this there's conservatives as well as liberals who are saying that i was wrong it's not even constitutional look i joined the marine corps in two thousand and four back when we had already declared you know victory in iraq and we're back liberating mosul i think that this is

a conversation that we need to have look the people that i joined in the military with have spent the last sixteen years of their lives at war. right for satire site called awful blog and we're making a joke that the war in afghanistan is about. to get a driver's license and it's because we've been there so long and we need to look at libya you look at an easier you look at some of these flashpoints in the world and they often say the authorization of military force has been used to upset these governments now we're in the midst of a refugee crisis that was literally started with the arab spring and overthrowing the governments into these you know libya and it's making a disastrous effect across nations and i'm more worried about the terrorists that's sitting in the u.s. or the terrorists sitting in europe than i am about the guy that's you know sitting in some place in the middle of the middle east you know that can doesn't have any ability to strike us other than if we go out there and we we put our troops in harm's way well twenty five seconds trying just excited to find out that he writes for duffel blog. that was on my bucket list was to track down a writer from. that's

a great place i second everything that he said i would say procedure wise the congresswoman. if she doesn't want her amendment stripped then she needs to become a senator because the house is ruled by the majority party that's the way that the house runs and the senate is for the minority charles david great having you both thank you thank you thank so much for showing up and that's the way it is tonight and don't forget democracy is not a spectator sport get out there get active teg your. your launching our team america special report. basically everything that you think you know about civil society has broken down.

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the news tonight a drastic shift in american policy as the president ends the cia's program of arming syrian rebels and staggering figures from the c.b. oh it's thirty two million americans are expected to lose health insurance by twenty twenty six and the american postal workers union holds a day of action as more labor groups of pose the white house budget proposal i'm ed schultz reporting tonight from washington d.c. you're watching r.t. america. good evening france we start tonight with a reported major shift in american foreign policy in syria president trump well in the cia's program to arm in train syrian rebels fighting against the assad

government the move is likely to be met with approval in moscow the russian government has been a strong backer of the sciri. assad regime for years the move comes after a recent cease fire in syria negotiated between presidents trump and putin at the g. twenty in germany the ceasefire has held for almost two weeks now there has been increasing international acknowledgment peace in syria could exist without the removal of assad in paris last week during a press conference with president trump president macron of france said that removing assad was not a priority for war on all of this we're joined tonight by former u.s. diplomat jim jim good to have you with us think you could be we have not really had a real defined policy come out of the trumpet ministration this is really the first significant move or is it what do you make it well first off i think the ceasefire in the southwest syria was itself and.