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to end operations in syria. with you. hello and welcome across town for all things are considered. this is a real news own today we discuss decision to end cia operations in syria russia and the u.s. are working together but most players in this proxy conflict aren't happy about this and some surprising expected developments in ukraine. talking some stories in the media i'm joined by my guest here in ma. exhibit a

morone he is the founder of the center of political strategic analysis trout poll we also have dimitri barbiturates a political analyst with sputnik international and in london we crossed to adam garri he is a writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate adam let me go to you first here. trump's decision to end cia operations in syria was expected actually there was a safe space station of operations over a month ago there's been a lot of reactions i think it's quite curious you know the first thing is that the neo con crowd so as well of course trump is caved to putin but they don't reflect upon almost six years of utter failure description at a huge price in so many different ways we saw this coming i suppose we should have expected the reaction is well go ahead out of in london well absolutely and the russian presidential spokesman dmitri score for that the subject wasn't even

touched on during the discussions that trump and putin had at the recent g twenty in how bored the thing is that trump came up against logic it has nothing to do with russia it has to do with the fact that these jihadi fighters that began that the united states began funding under obama and all of them to the teeth with all the ormes the cia gave them they couldn't do much with them they were ineffective fighters and now we see the ride the killing each other making temporary truce is which don't really lead to anything and they're getting totally obliterated by the much better trained much better equipped still syrian arab army and their allies so it was simply a logistical logical decision the made the kurdish fighters that america is now backing one hundred percent are simply more organized a fighting force however credit where it is do you mention the kurds or demilitarize tell you just as a quick. go ahead real quick i'm going to go just credit where it's due to drum

because i don't want to make it seem to move this is what i've called many times the most clear cut battle between good and evil since the great power trio to war and donald trump does deserve some measure of credit for withdrawing america's might. to fund being a he has an evil jihad al qaeda but it hasn't done that completely the us military is still there it's not good the turkish bangle i mean turkey a member of nato divulge the location of american military bases in syria not a nice thing to do but what's happening here is that the americans now are calm between the kurds and turkey ok so there's another problem we have to resolve here there is no real solution going to some terrible legacy. i mean. it was obama who started financing the so-called more direct opposition in syria which had a strange. each in the cards or the syrian soldiers it was barack obama

who basically. want the us russian relations seemed to. skating just simply confiscate and to all russian. in washington and with turkey again it's a terrible legacy because what happened is that i mean look at it from the turkish point of view. when aragon came to power it was still kemalist cameron isn't going to walk if you rip it's normal because camel is europeanization of if europe is sick if europe gets into a cold it with russia for nor were better and treason if it is a soul. then cambodia is makes no sense also many of them could replace cameleers if they started on good relations with syria with iran if russia did not get involved but can't go stupid enough to get involved in syria and the interesting things here and there being. who is if we have

a scorecard here who's come out on top in this conflict here because you know the the great boogie man in the west particularly in the united states is iran ok it ran his amazingly benefited from this eroded support of the legitimate legal government in damascus and the the west washington and the israelis have themselves to blame for this because of course and russia as well why because russia supported a legal government in syria and so it's an example for every kind of a rebellion want to be supported by west i don't know which kind of country but systems i would say that when you are such an ally like a russia or like iran you're not sure to win it's a complete change if you compare went up in kosovo or. in libya or in during the arab spring so in my opinion for the for the place of the russian diplomacy it's

a very strong state because not everybody and you can look at it. in libya or a. fricken countries everybody wants to be a ally of russia so for show they have an avenue that's what let's move forward here adam you know one of the interesting things again there's the issue of blowback in thinking about that what is the next step which you know when it comes to syria the west has never been able to think clearly right now ok the cia is good it we're all funding in arming now we have these trained some of them trained or a lot of them went over to the other side went to fight with isis now you have a disgruntled element within syria that has connections with the west training from the west i have to wonder how they're going to feel about having the rug pulled out from under them i wonder what they're going to do go back to their european countries go to the united states interesting go ahead well they have several options was. seeing quite

a few of them already play out first of all some of them will take advantage of president al assad's adam and steve whereby if they put down their guns and make a commitment not to engage in insurgent activities they'll be able to lead normal lives according to the own wishes that however is a minority most of these people are looking to the quickest route the jihad express to libya the failed state of baby where the three by some accounts for different factions competing for government and those are just the semi legitimate ones then you've got to go gangs you've got isis you've got al-qaeda you've got other terrorists that's where they're going to go the next stop on the jihad express is the western balkans that's the gateway into europe and through their connections with other terrorist groups which are already freely operating in the occupied serbian province of cause only talk here then they can go anywhere else in europe including on planes which go directly to the united states so while syria is

closing its border with lebanon and right now hezbollah and the syrian arab army or engage in ferocious fighting in the winning it against remnants of al qaida there the west is leaving the doors wide open i know this thing is wide open because they've got more important things to do which is have them drive around in their tanks and poland waiting for the big invisible russian invasion that's never going to happen where they should be patrolling the world you're you're. singing to the choir here. i think it's an interesting situation going back to the middle east aggressor have a lot i mean the united states is not want to use an interleague base they had to pull out of turkey. the european forces are not using interleague base need that. basically are bombers started their campaign of drawn killings in yemen there is out there is alters that yemen is no more dangerous to americans then that they are the point in its history. who warned iran russia who were not very active from the

beginning what did the board all of the late when you're invited to the in anyway when's your idea legally good idea. for an intervention and it became absolutely necessary and rush to get involved and through this they i mean russia and iran they improve their credentials and what is very important of all of the points about the american intervention in syria was to beat russia and iran you know the sunni arab states against iran and russia russia was accused by all the local liberals of peak in the sides between the sunnis and shias and jews in the shiites now that qatar which is by some strange twist of fortune and their. key and they were on their system is collapsing well it's russia never going to do me good or is it only you know that you made a choice between their literally when they went to the russians started to appear

after being invited it's important to underline by sir the obama told to get instant all the. body bags. and there is a completely different war but it's really interesting is that again this is another major setback for the israelis and their partner in the middle east the saudis this is something where and you know the israelis are absolutely furious when we go back to out of here they're very they're furious that iran's may have military bases in syria again another backfired. that we've seen coming out of town and riyadh. this is a turning into a full scale catastrophe for them and it was of their own making go ahead out of well israel is complaining about iran in syria as you say. but what about the fact

that israel has illegally occupied syria since nineteen sixty seven we don't hear about that now do we what we have just now from the very beginning of this cease fire that america and russia with jordan reached in respect of the southwestern frontiers of syria the litmus test for its success or failure was always going to be the israeli reaction now israel is moaning and netanyahu moaned in france he's moaning from the hilltops he's moaning so loud he probably can't even hear the gunfire the stones being thrown in the bodies being hold on to the pavement in jerusalem right now as we speak but they're simply worried about syria exercising its sovereign right to have relations with any portion of it once israel is a rogue state israel is a country that not only moans about other countries having partnerships while failing to acknowledge it's illegal occupations of sovereign nations but they also try to give the idea is that i have to jump in here in america and rather i have to

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ok let me go back to adam in london i started the program by saying that we do real news i want to do a real news story that hasn't gotten much coverage in the mainstream what's been going on in eastern ukraine or as some people would say translated into russian little russia i'm sorry translate into english little russia is come into existence what's the story there in a nutshell adam go ahead. well the story started in sixteen fifteen and something called true love and this is with russia was invited by the local cossack spark into what was always historic russian land to fight poland and take it back and that's what it did the more southern regions called norval to see it were taken from turkey more and more of the matter and it's good you bring this money can you bring us much closer to the present what's going on there ok i don't. know you know i know you don't have to show up on this program what's the significance of this there is some kind of declaration of sovereignty what's going on go ahead. so last

week the leader of the don't yet speak pulls republican alexander. he declared the state of of model c. or little russia now the declaration was important for the historic reasons obviously and it's important also because it shows the penultimate rejection of. many of its allied individuals representatives from places like called of or another regions it shows that they all have signed a document that says the kiev regime represents a failed state but what's the most interesting thing is that this model will see a declaration isn't all that different from the minsk agreement which both sides in the current conflict are supposed to be adhering to both call for self-determination both call for recognition of multiple indigenous languages both call for total cessation of violence and both call for

a return to civil government so the problem with the minsk accords as this declaration really reveals isn't that they're on reasonable or unworkable it's that the main priority to them the kiev regime is so on reasonable ok and so frankly look at. moscow's reaction the kremlin's reaction was very tepid they said this is a personal personal initiative. they know they're not standing by and what's going on not on a limb off call but that you will ganske you know all the other center of. resistance to they also said we were warned about it we have not been you know that well i think that the statement from mr zahar janica was emotional and i understand where it comes from you know the problem is that the following ukraine was used. by a group of people who do not represent the majority the majority of ukrainians their group has almost lost the elections their only election that they were russian liberals was in two thousand and five when you shouldn't be forced to rerun

all the elections thanks to the western and there was. a commission which consisted of his people and they declared him the victor in general they all of us wanted actions because there are more people leaving it would just. let me do this when exactly i did not why now what's going on now it's linked to i was invited by the house and government to one of my. situation is difficult for people living in the dinner in the in my opinion. for poroshenko to show that the means every month are not working so he must propose something to the people the first think you propose is economic integration with russia it's a both and lost it when it's already happening you know it's a real challenge thanks to. those eleven full day out all of a sort of there is a physical sync it is a fun thing it was it we ok we respect the agreement but we will change we want we

want we want to lift ukraine but we will change the composition of the country and there will be something like you know during the twenty's when the capital of the. soviet you call in was completely different in my opinion it's something that. told for its population and for the kremlin to terrorism do something because. it's a topic is a very it was a very good behavior and i mean this is just a reflection of the reality on the ground more or less i mean we because of this blockade the. have no choice but to deal with russia that's where they get their food imports i mean all kinds of legal things now that they have that like you know registering births and deaths and and and money but even i think that a driver is highly unlikely to get out of here this is a reflection of reality on the ground and really to get here and the west to really

implement the minsk accords or start something different go ahead well i think it's high time to start something different because it's just it's just incapable of enforcing anything let alone the means could cause and i think one positive development in respect of reactions to the model to see a little russia that deliberation is how little has been said from the united states if the obama was in the white house victoria nuland ed would have literally exploded when the word small little see it came out of goes about silence from washington the americans under trump they don't really care about sixteen fifty four and all this other stuff they really don't this could be a good thing because it might allow for the regime in kiev to collapse not true the and then for some sort of negotiated peace to come into play which may actually

look a great deal like the mother will see a declaration names aside but what's more important than the name is what actually happens and that this historic area is brought into a unitary or bit of cooperation democratically of course with between russia and what is now called became a german guards economic sense. it makes sense but i think with little russia what we see is also of the collapse of the myth of putin who is their grass and who wants all ukraine for him so all at least the russian speaking region see if you if you remember two thousand and fourteen when the whole thing started with crimea and gone by us the western press was full of maps like russian speaking regions of ukraine are in the east in the southeast in the sols grainier and the in the southwest interests needs do you have a russian speaking and clave so putin wants to unite them all now we have a suggestion for ask him to do just that and wants that reaction from more school

we haven't authorised it which to do that means chords there is one thing that the western public should understand the more than russian the leadership is not about expansion it's not about territorial gains they want to have good business relations with the west they want to leave when they want to save borders what country are they want to have safe borders the yes but they're not about you know when the kyrgyzstan had their rebellion they invited the russian troops in two thousand and ten and they love your hopes never good living there and the west was surprised i remember that was that people had been surprised and simply they didn't know the irony of it with the russians who flew the russians would invade i couldn't get my head around that one ok exactly what's this about the western response to this because i think it's really interesting is anybody interested in ukraine anymore i don't think so i think everybody is tired and if you look at the meeting between. poroshenko i'm sorry but it was embarrassing it was like

a slave was always smiling like can you do it and when when luck or. what you want which was for me everybody is tiring of the queen but to underline that there is a milestone in one year it's a parliamentary election that will completely change the sinks because. of course nationalists with flaws the small. strategic. positions and. which is a real never known as this is a president of the parliament it will be completely. changed because. not in the front will fade so. parliament and so it could be or maybe this time and that surely is unrest so. so we may turn this on this here we have the new address system out of here i was looking at the national interest which i think sometimes has some very interesting articles. that suggest readers

take a look at it but you know this sudden dawning that all my goodness these right wing militias could be a threat to the government in kiev we've been saying that for five years on this program ok now we've already got everybody's waking up to it and then we don't you know it's holding their nose is that we shouldn't be we should keep our distance from it now they actually were part of creating this mess in ukraine and now they don't have the interest in a problem they created go ahead adam in london well sometimes it's best not to have a north and is joy in the fire brigade as an act of prepared which is what america and the e.u. fixing the problem would amount to indeed the biggest threat to the regime in kiev is not from any foreign actor it is not from the don't yet. it's from the fascist elements who think i hope you're sitting down everyone when you're watching this that the government in kiev that it's not quite extreme enough that it's not waging

total war but it has and proudly proclaimed the genocide that you can you people on the streets of members of the. right sector or talking about constantly and it's these people who have engaged in political assassinations it's these people whose videos of them beating the hell out of politicians all over youtube throwing them in dumpsters and cetera and it's these. people who are going to launch a my dorm two point zero speaking of turkey one of my favorite quotes is from tolkien said they go as they come but going to. go ahead well i would just remind you of there again the nationalists have never won almost elections in ukraine and that's why you are or see a project is about there if you look at the map you know when there was democracy in ukraine in the east ninety percent of the people voted for the quarter interest and for the party of regions in the west ninety percent of the people voted for the

nationalists but the point is that the current government is so weak you know the reason of why they cannot fulfil that means courts let me remind you in all the thirty first of august two thousand and fifteen where the ukrainian rather started discussing you know their special status for the bus group or right wing extremist staged a demonstration near their other one of them through a green media kenyan three policeman and then even their minister of interior of ukraine and other crazy a nationalist walk up he came out and he said where fleeced by fascists and the words are just. as the same times because that is the most. the minister told that. accommodation the autonomy of the nation not an obligation right out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember.

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