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u.k. or orlando stay with us for renegade incorporated. hello and welcome to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle i suppose it's time to speak the obvious cold war two point zero is officially on this cold war is different and possibly far more dangerous these are uncharted waters as the trump white house attempts to find its footing. cross talking sanctions for sanctions i'm joined by my guests here in moscow mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have and were he is the president of the american university in moscow and we have blood on your

goldstein he is an associate professor of slavic studies at brown university right gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ed let me go to you first you're the greatest booster for u.s. russia relations that i've ever met in my life and you continue to do it now we have sanctions for sanctions we have one spread an interim signs that means when we all assume that he will he is essentially handcuffed himself when it comes to relations with russia under the sanction bill he has to go to congressional committees to move forward his agenda in russia with it which seems extremely unlikely where are we and are we in a cold war two point zero. or are you always trying to find some positive story i know you're really well known for other words we're just in terms of. the bankers so are i get my. so clear prosecutor for signals first of all

what you want to avoid of course it's military confrontation p. . syria. positive is stop this crazy cruise maybe the dangers or even criminal support for so-called moderate rebels because we know once your view for reference to moderate some powers is so strong somehow and up and so it's not so moderate i mean cynics would say that was in part of the plan it was intentional and they are literally allied. with al qaeda who are that is there's no question about it now it's all of our least i mean what i said last week you mean the u.s. the u.s. still has a really meaningful middle military footprint in syria just because the cia operation were officially told i don't ever believe anything official or unofficial in terms of cia and its very nature let me let me go to you let me let me read something that secretary of state tillerson said about these things she has here

the near unanimous votes for the same actions legislation in congress represent the strong will of the american people really do see russia take steps to improve relations with the united states is a very strange sentence i will continue with in the secretary of state we hope that there will be cooperation between our two countries on major global issues and these sanctions will no longer be necessary i have no idea what he's trying to say here well i think he's trying to be diplomatic you basically says don't pay a big despise the sanctions where we're going to to all you know that's not the big deal but you know i suspect that both. are kind of scandalized by by this you name it over congress and then you media over there you know saying that the fact that you know this they decided moralists to restrict the power of only a well i mean you know how unanimous is it of the american people i take issue with

it what i wouldn't take issue with there's a unanimous view in the liberal mainstream media. and the political class of both major parties that seems clear to me mark it's very interesting that there's no sense of causality here russia is reaction to sanctions that the us put on russia and we had seven months. there where the russian side looked at the us would have a change of position it didn't it lost patience and under diplomatic rules russia was supposed to retaliate if we have to keep rounds of sanctions in the editor here because this this latest round of russian counter sanctions is a response to obama's last sanctions on his way out the door in order to try to end that tie the hands of the trump regime when it comes to cooperating or detente with russia now when these new sanctions imposed by congress over donald trump's heads russia will have an entirely new and different reaction to that which will not be

small but you kind of scoop my own notes out and it's a ridiculous statement out of such dichotomies and tautologies coming out of someone's mouth i don't think anyone's heard it since maybe torquemada was sitting next to the people he was torturing as he turns the screws i'm only doing this to improve our relations but. it's. member you know. more pretty damn borders policing server now we have sanctions it's a positive thing so it's for it's a very big gentleman and what i think is interesting is the big. there's always the lack of trying to understand the other side during the cold war there was that effort to put yourself in the other guy shoes this is not happening right now the fact of the matter is vladimir that russia will blow all. these sanctions like they did once before and really act accordingly this perception in the west and russia

is i fully. isolated is nonsense it is not isolated it is looking it will looked for new places for new people and new relationships and that's how international relations work i think. i would spend some time with it because basically the sanctions we view them as just russian but. try and do those kind of scandalized by that they basically say that we have this activist congress we're going to tell the president of the united states what to do in terms of foreign policy and this is kind of outrageous so he's trying to sort of square the circle here so i'll just say we are still we will be in charge was through will want to talk to us and he said saying he's basically saying it's not our decision but we have to go along with. it and this is. a great degree that the mystic that most of closure the that is exactly you know the interesting thing is against we try to step back here on this program. russia meddled in the american

election russia the american election there are investigations going on now we have the public hasn't been given any new proof but the u.s. government in congress has already made its drawn its conclusions when we have no conclusions whatsoever i mean that this is the folly of all of this here you again act before you know what the what the facts are on the ground and they're not interested in facts because none of them have really been produced the socks out from under my bed. but the bottom line is all of these accusations there is no evidence presented there can't even be any evidence because neither the f.b.i. the n.s.a. the cia the office the office of the director of national intelligence no one actually looked at the purported scene of the crime that democratic national committee servers where e-mails were supposedly hacked by russia wiki leaks says they got them from

a whistleblower and then these e-mails expose. the d.n.c. and the hillary can claim maine colluded to. break their own primary to have hillary clinton elected and that is what this is all about and since the scene of the crime was never investigated there can't possibly be any evidence but i think a lot of mayor is absolutely right that this is the russian government even referred to it said that this is an internal domestic strife in the united states and that. donald trump is an effective captive in the white house and the way the foreign policy has outraged it made it in the headlines what we've been talking about on the show for months the war over who controls us foreign policy has begun and that's elizabeth rosenberg you know what's interesting and you know you you have you live in the swamp if i can say that but what's really interesting to me is that like weapons of mass destruction in iraq is that even people that

question the. the media approach the message of the russian conspiracy it's people have already absorbed it that russia did something against the united states and it was meaningful and it needs to be you need a reaction to it and then in a sense the mainstream media even though they trip over themselves they make all kinds of mistakes they have to make retractions they say idiotic things but they have succeeded in their message it's really quite remarkable well you for your. approval rating for congress. it's now around twenty percent so. i think it's another positive sign the body reached for a thirty percent approval rating. over foreign policy which according to come situation. so the president and i don't know maybe some limit is considerably lower

should see if this is kind of the evolution of us. institutional you know a bit about supreme court considering the way the president has to. be behaved these of the his attorney general i mean you would have he would have found an ally like jeff sessions were able to say something like that and then talk about that later in the program here but when we go from here i mean you know you're a person that was born in the soviet union and moved to the united states and you know who would have thought you know you were probably in dissonant here and. there how does that happen it's a way they said you know. i recognize the pattern of. decline which united states goes and they think they don't want to face it they don't let it go tonight is it that's why they created this cable so it's much better to watch it isn't easy to be easy and so kind of traditional it falls into the you know the recent very interesting article by a great scholar. allude to a quote says that basically if you look at united states you know more the hope of

religion can't afford a new car. defined by cars so yes it was obvious to everyone that they were not going to support such a school can do this they would go for it or maybe for board but you know i think by to establishment republican party they don't recognize the sea is that may stick issue trying to divert the attention they tried to rush rush of course you have to walk kind of our lives so that was as they have probed have to realize that you know this is american domestic policy to pursue our own interests ok let me go to mark in thirty seconds here mark i mean where is this going and do you agree with cold war two point zero. well let me just say that i've kind of reversed the vladimir's i'm a dissident from the u.s. who immigrated to russia i'm going the. new agey surge and we're going to be in any cold war since probably since august of two thousand and eight possibly as early as back as two thousand and three two thousand and five with the color revolutions

that failed in ukraine and georgia but i prefer to think of it not. as an ideological struggle left to democracy capitalism but as a great power conflict hold on we're. going to go to a short break and after our short break we'll continue our discussion on new sanctions stay with r.t. . welcome to max kaiser plentiful survival guide. looking forward to the. yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain. watched kaiser report.

economic development is all about numbers really pleased to report this quarter we are one hundred six point two. but what do we know about the other figures. when i think about the fact that our c.e.o. mike do. over twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average wal-mart is says. with all due respect i have to say i don't think that's right. is that just you know a free market works. people went from pretty simple financial lives pre nine hundred eighty to the point now where people are. just totally submerged in their financial accounts and they're all in debt and what exactly devoid society from the part of the government tried to do that nicely maybe. it might be making things

worse. i say this is not how capitalism work this is our capitalism goes hopelessly designer strictly rome. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the new sanctions. ok mark let me go back to you and we opened up a can of worms is this cold war two point zero and i think it is and you were nuancing it go ahead yeah i think it's more of a great power conflict if we take a look at it from a realist international relations theory paradigm because while all of this is going on we have to remember that these sanctions target not only russia countering america's adversaries through sanctions act russia iran north korea it actually sanction syria again as well it also sanctions the european union you have to

actively this is i think what effectively this is what it does in the sanctions and so there's multiple players in this while all this is going on the u.s. this week twice fired on the radio and ships in the gulf of mexico that was not the gulf of mexico that was about the persian gulf from here so here all persia they were playing games of chicken with the chinese in the south china sea were firing ballistic missiles. tat with north korea were playing these games in syria were a betting another. might the revolution attempt in venezuela this is this is global great power conflict and it's the us who is ideological russia and the rest of the countries in the world i would fold them for not having an ideology i think that weakens them but they rely more on culture and civilization then this is the liberal ideology of the us versus the rebuilding it's old it's a liberal out of you know it is very aggressive it's not going to mean weigh in on that because you know you left the soviet union when it was

a very ideological place what it would have now of course had there with the. collapse of the soviet union in use ideology came into being the united states the exceptional country you know little control of the wall. all right said we say higher than they do and we can simply ignore it or we can shoot anyone who wants so there's you know a little approach but it was a very short person by the way i think it was and we see this being it's crumbling it's crumbling but we have this new plays. on the block from china to russia then i'll take it any more and united states rather than sort of change in trying to recognize certain realities that there is a multi you know what should be. a low and they persist and i think that's that's the ideology you know and you know you've watched this this bilateral relationship very closely one of the things that i find very interesting is that you have. from political leaders in the united states and particularly the liberal media uninformed liberal media very bombastic statements about russia and particularly

and it's president vladimir putin but you don't see the only other on the other side you don't see that kind of bomb but basically from what i get and i'm paraphrasing here the russian foreign minister they're waiting for the americans to come to their senses ok but i mean for you know a rival in an adversary russia rhetoric is a quite mild in comparison to the american hero it's pretty sad because for the first media progress over it's kind of. you know of. you know integrity and all of that now i think if you can see it. that the u.s. media mainstream lost its virginity. and it's pretty now russian media is kind of belatedly i think mark. actually media of course it's not soft but we were talking about leaders every russian leader whether it's pushing or

longer. and you are here to score for us that you're the tough talk so you know that some talk through this but they always say yes but be open we are open for cooperate we understand the world challenges only of us and our share of work together because here is this from us media or us politicians you only hear as from the russian side that's what i think russia is not this kind of advanced position of this kind of a more. kind or sympathetic to it should be to you going to american people the problem is a mainstream media they will never get that message that's that's the problem the filter is over it is there and they do and they demand well thank you and they demand to be the filter ok i mean they are the. protectors of this ideology to make sure that the american people only hear one message here should be use one more fighting it all for us let's let's take a look at what the u.s.

media is framing this ideological debate they're trying to say that trump in russia represents some kind of cobol conspiracy and international ideological movement that is reactionary against what against liberalism against a liberal who germany and this is the political frame of reference for everything that the western mainstream media which is overwhelming liberal and the foreign policy commentary at the blog looks at it we no longer have conservatism we no longer have left is these have been really framed and reworded as. you liberalism and authoritarianism right and this is an attempt to de legitimize anything and everything in the political sphere except for a liberal it sounds very very soviet to me and i mean and how would we have a counter reaction to it i mean in the last few weeks on fluxes primary week they

show now with tucker carlson we have seen him going bad. fourth interviews with max blumenthal a lefty told gal bird a marine corps vet and congressman woman from hawaii who is it was a staunch left democrat with glenn greenwald who is basically going so in a few months you're going to go on and this is where this technocratic liberal center has forced conservative voices on one side and left voices on the other they're having to reach around and suddenly we have more in common than we thought we did particularly on the issues of foreign policy and military which is the that's a very interesting one and i think you're absolutely right but these people are a lot of the people that mark just mentioned are very prominent well known widely respected but they become demonized as well for changing their position that is really quite remarkable when i think of the names that mark just mentioned there these people earned their good name for

a reason and now they're being torn down this thing when there's ation it's not just saw that i would go back to the nazi when they came up with this kind of you know to to scapegoat they came up with this sort of. judeo bushes on the one had taken the group of people do it on the other hand is bush it was somehow their mood what they don't like know this or they don't they've. tried to get this right to democratize it it's right to make it to the wall say to me it is despicable you know that if i recall a modern day liberalism is intolerance absolutely that's what i think it was. you know the hope it will work on do they have just the demise which is i had but but i know that it's sort of a whole wall there's a big wall that india china they're not buying this stuff anymore europeans by and that's not been able so i think it's pretty rare for local consumption or for local media which i think of the you know he was speaking earlier about syria there's

a lot of international. issues that major countries like the united states and russia. could work together on with this sanction new sanction bill here and this very odd statement that i read from secretary tillerson this is rhetorical but at the end of the day do you think that they're going to get down and work together on issues of common concern this is just you know this is just for show it shows because we were talking before the program is that you know something must be done so it has been done now we have to move on well if i'm trying to be optimistic mark i go i don't do but. if i read. through all those papers lately it's very saying to mony a little i can't believe the sanctimonious i think it is not the usual language it's sanctimonious is that. it's going to authorize you to implement

a so it's not like there are demands. already adopted so it's up to trump to make a decision because there are not i think this is another positive you see. some positive signals so but if. they're in this unlike the europeans the europeans that it's a smart way when it comes to sanctions the they agreed to continue the medicine six more a six month interval in the u.s. case you have to have a vote in congress which i think will never ever happen i want to take it you're ok exactly but what we could see here mark is that if particularly the germans and the austrians if they see that their energy security is threatened by these sanctions and coming out of washington they didn't take in into regard their interest here we could see the europeans not only refuse but retaliate we're going to see first. that europeans will go all that we need and well i mean there were no no no not

with entered. security they're not going to just give up and buy a very expensive l.n.g. from the united states no no no they're not going to do that so far we don't hear anything. on the on the sort of things going some of the anti american sanctions so far we don't hear what the exactly they have you know we haven't heard any specifics but we have heard so words come out of younger the president of the european commission joint statements out of the the german and austrian chancellor's office they're all you know they're all concerned about their energy security because this bill because the u.s. and russia don't do a whole lot of business with each other this is a massive bill it's sanctions mining energy banks defense intelligence shipping but russia and the u.s. don't do a lot of trade together so it's going to do with your brain is target other countries and their business with russia and this is why europe depends for russia on over thirty percent of their energy supply and that's growing so this the house foreign

affairs committee official statement on this ten reasons you should support this bill is it helps bolster europe's energy security and if it does it does it just the opposite again improves cooperation with our allies or russian influence in europe the europeans while are screaming that you're infringing on our interns security you're trying to tell us what is in our own you know what you know the enemy has been doing this to russia for so that is why you know again it's not it's not presented honestly in western media that is why there and dish and all pipelines to germany directly from russia because the country that is the biggest risk to european energy security is ukraine i'll give you the last twenty seconds. after sort of realize this didn't sink in the you know when they had this done cool you know victoria nuland was there people said what you will think she was the x x would have say screw you this be you it's continuation over there. but they still

think that is us. it should sink in well this is what happens when you when you go down the postmodernists road and you give up your sovereignty when you're in trouble you don't have any recourse gentlemen we've run out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember. here's what people have been saying about redacted and i suspect it's full on awesome the only show i go out of my way to launch you know what it is that really

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