thank you so much. well i know that the day of the paris deal signing was a very big day for you sad specifically that you see that as an indication that the shift toward green the world was irreversible but just a couple of days ago president trump signed an executive order which effectively new if i as many of the commitments made by the obama administration don't you think that that jubilation was a little bit premature on your part no basically i don't think so because i'm absolutely confident that we'll move that their cause to return even with the recent development in united states for two main reasons for sure china the european union everyone else will move whatever happens in the white house and secondly the forces of technology. so strong that there is no return but still the united states is a big player and president obama made it quite clear that the united states under his administration has no intention of living up to the. its commitments to the

targets that it set for itself to car carbon dioxide and i know that this is something that you personally have been very passionate about i wonder how you see it for yourselves do you think it's just a funky phase that the united states is going through or is it something more long term for washington at the very very worst dismissed slowed a little bit rode forward probably impact will be less than most people think because the force is. strong. in the very accepting the fact of the day. to move in a sustainable direction and that's also where all the jobs are in the united states not all of all of them some of them but the majority i mean in the united states americans who take that example there are five times more jobs in the solar industry than in the coal industry and those investors know that no invest. the

future the future will. see in solar energy all over the world. shows that can do better. others are now moving so fast. now the new york times which is usually quite critical of mr trump already accused him of turning climate change denial into national policy i wonder if you would frame it in those exact terms and do you think those labels healthful in trying to persuade him otherwise. the labels just the wrong facts do not elect scientists scientists come because of the most do have there is. scientific agreement from all corners of the world from united states america in the river climate change. it's very dangerous to act now we don't elect scientists but we do elect politicians and i think what was

particularly interesting about the paris deal is that many of its advocates underscore that self-determination and setting targets as its main advantage the fact that the countries themselves can decide how much they can reduce and this is also essentially what lab the united states of the hook so easily do you think that was the right framework oh wouldn't it have made better sounds to make it more binding while the political will was still there i think. one of the best international agreement. virk is that the trying these are not. because of the americans nor are the indians doing it for the russians the chinese europeans everyone doing it for themselves because their leaders and the people understand this is dangerous and that's why they are acting. in history both some people are trying to to talk. i mean there was the so-called trying to stop the

industrial revolution succeed those who tried to stop the. succeed but mr saul history is never linear and you know it may move one step forward to step back you know i thing even those two step back would be a concerning factor for somebody like him but there is overriding agreement in the scientific community or also in the united states of america that you need to act there is overriding agreement with the. united states that you won't need to act google may be the most a company on the verge these years would be one hundred percent. american companies that produce similar to two hundred million cars. we do not do things for the toast we do it for of a customers for the environment but at the end of the day we do it because it's business for wal-mart now you mentioned the aspect of jobs and this is mr chung's

main selling point. there are first. climate change commitments is going to. bring more jobs particularly in the mining sector where perhaps some of his electorate is and that brings us back to the argument of what the present of the future generation of future generations how do you explain that after all those years of talking about when the when the choice is once again it's a binary but also those who are. meant to move the environment or gender forward need to accept that there is. need to pay attention to those. who need to change the social. programs for those from the east moving to degree and i mean it's very much involved a few years back in protecting. because we wanted the jobs but i was wrong because there are many more jobs that's. all the. new technology is.

much cleaner better paved and there are many more drugs now i assume that this would be something for business leaders to consider and you mentioned some of them already but. i wonder if your overall china strategy of working with the united states is going to change because we've seen that the reversal on the part of the us federal government that a number of states have come forward for example new york fournier who said that they are going to challenge and mr trump on that particular front doesn't it make sense for you and perhaps the broader environmental community to sort of shift away from from the white house more towards the regional actors. absolutely even though . on the european. leadership on this issue you also need american leadership. to look into are there common points are we come

together have you been able to interact so far because obviously sign this executive order already has he requested anything back from you go to washington in a few weeks time on the. environment protection. is going to be already after the fact of signing this major executive order into force right but we will reach out. to that because the state of california it is maybe the tenth biggest economy in. california new york testaments in these two states. of american business for the simple reason that most americans. can afford not to be in the california market that's thirty five to forty million people so essentially what you're saying is that the regional strategy is already playing out the regions as there are in other parts of the world i mean.

know both all of them are close to a hundred million people and you do understand that some people in the white house may may see that as your sort of interfering with the american domestic program especially if for example mr trump would see that as. efforts to sabotage his own policy not. to expect. both of them to six fifty six when they do agree with the country's federal policy whereas in this case you do have as a start disagreement it's completely normal for the both of. those. democratic. try to reach out to the republicans. republican member station for sure we would work with the democrats as well now mr

trump hasn't yet decided whether to formally over the throw from de paris agreement but with the changes he has already announced doesn't really matter if the united states remains a formal signature. that's just. not the source maybe expect this. to remain in the party why do you think it's important. signal to the world. to do. so. now i've seen some analysts suggest that the political cost for the trumpet ministration from withdrawing from this deal would be significant enough just worth progress on many other fronts complicate their relations with other allies so the suggestion here is that the united states should stay him. you know show some attendance but

essentially do nothing is that i understand that that is perhaps they approach aimed at minimizing the damage but is that really what you would like to see and there are many different signals coming from different quarters at the moment what i think is the most important is that very very clear statement from business news is that the future is through that a new bills we want to move in that direction and i'm very confident because the number one. term to the american voters are going to create jobs for you. over time the jobs are coming there to new abodes most. well mr solheim we have to take a very short break now but when we come back with the trumpet ministration taking a backseat on climate change what is likely for other countries that's coming up in a moment on worlds apart.

this is a central plank support during the film is a good cover might say stuff. economic development is all about really. this quarter we are one hundred six. but what do we know about the other figures. that are seen. over twenty million dollars last year more than one thousand times the average wal-mart. with all due respect. i have to say i don't think that's right. is that just. woods. people went

from pretty simple financial lives pre nine hundred eighty to the point now where people are. just totally submerged in their financial accounts and they're all in debt and what exactly divided society that phone the whatever the government tried to do it wasn't necessary maybe. it might be making things worse. by saying this is not how capitalism works this is. hopelessly disastrously wrong. well that's the price of it discussing the politics of climate change eric staal

same executive director of the united nations environment program mr solheim the united states is the world's second biggest climate polluter off to china and the signing of the paris deal was in large part due to the agreement between these two nations you already mentioned that you believe that china will stay on board but what about other countries well what's happening in china we need to take note is absolutely amazing and most russians are most americans haven't really understood last week to close down the. beijing just another example the north. by the very capital the cold part of china the. fleet is electric and this is happening all over china. in china is so big.

that i was the environment minister some years back now china has indeed been adding a lot of renewable energy can pass it to you but i wonder if that's enough to categorically state that this transition from as you call it brown capitalism to green capitalism is already irreversible dontcha think that there is still a chance of the same sort of turnaround as we are now observing in the united states absolutely sure the room be no turnaround about this because what they do for climate is exactly what they also do to curb pollution and if there is a topic which is the number one topic for didn't. because it's pollution caused pollution. beijing or grow. show all the big cities their. clear blue water. so they're trying. since some analysts suggest that it would be a nice idea to exploit president competitive streak as well as well some would

claim with some of color bias against china and try to put out the narrative that if he is sort of drop the ball on climate change down china is going to out innovate out compete the united states and this is according to those analysts is something that may actually probably trump into action do you think that kind of psychological manipulation could work if the americans very to detract from the agenda. to competitiveness. remember do that you know it just has to continue to grow both. be the some competition. the prize this prepared to do trend is the main reason why. competitive with everywhere in the world is the trying to use markets. and solar so that it can compete. compete everywhere on the planet for new power plants i wonder

how do you explain that is that just the sort of central command and centralized authority that the chinese have or is it really down to their business engineering or perhaps moral much of a chanson they care about the planet. both i mean it's the ability to innovate from . but also with the strong strong signal from the top leadership that this is very very want to go so ironically the united states. may benefit from being a little bit more centralized if not to say authoritarian if you had such a strong leader in the united states who would advocate climate change. leadership is always them. to develop some. from. singapore south korea just as a couple example was all about leadership. over the last few years it's also the

leadership from the top set the agenda but obviously they do that because the know that's all the more there is an old inch on this it is this to happen now on par with the united states the european union has long portrayed itself as a leader in climate and environmental issues but every since reports found that only three european countries are currently on track with the paris deal targets that they set for themselves why is europe lagging behind at this point. very diverse so some countries are moving from. the core of the european union over germany if that is globally their only goal is probably germany. given the riches the transformation of the german economy when it comes to energy is a big game the big big driver of the renewable. now correct me if i'm wrong but russia for now remains the largest greenhouse gas and they are that

hasn't ratified the paris and i think one of the reasons it hasn't done so is. western sanctions that women russia's access to both to the capital markets and the technology that it needs in order to make its industries clean i wonder if that is perhaps ironic if russia was fully onboard. the paris the wouldn't that. make the trumpet ministration perhaps a little more inclined to keep the rest of the global community. agreement. from being to depend. morgan nouveau but the slogan of this conference and our congress is there to make their arctic the territory of dialogue in the a lot more dialogue. some politician and some nation to divide the reserves.

have already allowed ourselves because this congress hasn't taken place for three years and there was no dial. finger pointing but we need to come together and what you heard from president putin here today was a strong message that let's move together. but also of course john the european union if we come together we can do so all the issues if they are divided there is . nothing basically now we are speaking on the sidelines of the international arctic forum and if you talk to the people here and many of them would make a point the new fever hasn't quite caught up with russia and russia for now at least is quite comfortable with remaining a country of oil and gas as well as nuclear relying on. its main engine sources do you think renewables are good for everyone is that something that every country should sort of strive for but as you know many people in this country would claim

that we have this competitive advantage for now why should be think about bring you both especially if it takes so much money but if you don't do to loosen the competition because i mean if you don't go into what is the future. for americans some germans will take all the markets and the russian industry those who remain in the old lose some in the environment but also lose from it comes to jobs something that's been. learned a lesson learned from history but you just complimented president clinton on you know one thing to call prevent the world but the one of the messages that came out of his speech is that he wants to call foreign partners in developing or oil and gas. fields here in our site is that the kind of message that you're with personally approve of then we need to be very very careful when it comes to oil and gas in the arctic because at the moment there is no technology to pick up there.

when i was minister environmental norbu about a very small oil spill in those slow fjord. there was no technology to get. so if you start or looks protestation in the arctic need to go slow to be very careful and then they have to be need to be very very strong pose it to the store towards peace because nature do not take care of their already in the arctic nation may take care of space in the tropical waters because they're much much warmer but i think norway is one of those countries that is actually despite its work on the renewable front is actually very much pushing it had been in their traditional oil and gas industry as well as a. voice in the region. and we need to go slow and there is no reason to rush this nor by the way is also one of the most affluent countries in the world doesn't need that moment the world from the nor is so big but they're also in the positive developments for instance the big companies start. trying to

use technology to develop shore in order to see how we can be useful for. if we can have c there is an enormous potential for renewable energy now many here in russia say that. even if russia is not extremely enthusiastic about the paris deal for now at least russia can still contribute productively protecting the planet by being responsible for example in the arctic. how would you evaluate the russian track record failed so far and i think the signals there come from both from this conference is very. good i mean they're asking about the signals i'm asking you about the record. mixed track record but i will see in the press very strongly focusing in on how russia can get the. which

came from star military equipment in the. industrial waste and try to do though this. develop some new very. protective. i mean president. bush is part of this new big protector there and the seven new protected there are shows in the pipeline for these are. positives absolute is for all the arctic nations to come together to protect the fish fishing folk in the regulated. fishing vessels to go there to pick up the fish since this. would be very dangerous i'm at the end of the. day when it comes to protecting the arctic do you think. all countries have equal responsibility or perhaps you would expect more from that make up the arctic council i think in the. nation's. arctic to be in the driving seat seat and lead this but you definitely also need. them the

europeans and the europe for them and they'll there's also have a stake in the arctic by the very huge success last year in the arctic zero. played a critical role and that was the protection of the role sea this is the biggest protected. on the planet. in. the nation it was a big deal but you won't hear about it in many of the western media and this is another question that i want to ask you about for all the tensions between russia and the west i know that many western countries do recognize that russia is trying to be good when it comes to the arctic and when it comes. today on toxic as well and yet there are also many politicians who are reluctant to call parades with russia in those areas specifically because they have geopolitical disagreements in areas i wonder how challenging is it to keep the arctic issue or the antarctica.

sized isn't even possible i think we should do more to make sure that because there are. geopolitical issues because arctic is so central everyone would loose by the very when they go to the united states our defense defend russia in a different united states because. every post. conflicts should be defeated well it's interesting you say that because it leads me to my last question i know that in your previous capacity you had to do a lot with warring parties and the mediation you participated in trying to find a solution to the sri lankan conflict then i'm sure you would agree with me that the mediation is a very challenging and often very ungrateful process how do you see yourself in this new overall of the un executive general are you more of a mediator or are you perhaps just an administrator or responsible for implementing

something that has already been agreed upon i think both i mean we. just launched a campaign called clean seas to. norma's presti pollution which are destroying our oceans but also being a mediator and if they. are learning from our maybe ten years trying to. succeed. most of the many other people killed how big. those will. listen to the u.s. when they go there. so essentially what you're saying here is that even if you had a failure at a certain point of your career you may perhaps turn it into a success later on. being out the whole spoke to.

people but of course i despair of. this is. well mr my wish you all the success of your new endeavor thank you very much for your time and please share your comments now twitter facebook and youtube pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart.

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