afshin rattansi we're going on the ground as politicians are nations with the fastest growing economies on earth gather in order to go to tatters philippines coming up with a show. here including around the world we told the legend three hundred strong collaborator steadman a documentary filmmaker cary levy about corbin the iraq war and saving the world critical criticism and. you have no gluten dairy corn soy caffeine alcohol and sugar red meat fish and white rice should we like. people power we speak to britain's unofficial just. and the london imperial war museum senior curator about using protest dollars to fight for peace all the more coming up in today's going underground but first tomorrow marks seventy two years to the day that the united states used weapons of mass destruction against the japanese city of hiroshima killing maybe one hundred fifty thousand civilians that learn the genetic defects still continuing today the dropping of nuclear bombs as

an act of war marked a new era of nato aggression and according to some scientists malta a new era of human history one that could be leading to the destruction of the earth what is less controversial is the fact that species are threatened with extinction due to capitalism and ralph steadman renowned political artist who famously worked with guns or journalists thompson on fear and loathing in las vegas has teamed up with filmmaker friend carrie levy to author a new book about them they join me now to talk about their third collaboration critical critters and carrie lee welcome to going underground to what are. missed guns of ace in its turn a to conservationists and it's kind of i suppose where we set off on our venture with critical critters having done two books about birds we thought we'd take on the rest of the animals that are in critical trouble in this world today and who's been on this row usually talking about foreign policy maybe big fossil fuel companies you have a gentle. critique of him about his idea of language in

a page five was i don't criticize anyone you believe animals can talk. and certainly think but i don't think they know when they're going to die or even know that they will die i like that idea to me that really smacks of something clever that they don't they don't know that life and. really i know that are sad pictures of animals with partners and i i know they no idea what death means but something happened to them but it doesn't mean it's going to happen to the other one you know i mean that's brutal. but you know well you this is how all relationship works you know in the reading i book you might say something completely different tomorrow and so i yeah i mean i'm being kind of playful in a way because i feel that you know we believe that we know so much and we deal with import i was watching that series on einstein which is fantastic but you know these

massive correct these equations are correct but they're all based on human manufacture anyway so my point is do we really know as much as we suggest we do you know ok scientifically we can study animals and perhaps decide that they don't communicate or think in the same way that we do but maybe there's something else going on so it is being playful and i i just get fed up with the arrogance of man on so many levels and in this way you came up with the idea of the book with the spilling dirty water and something you know well that's that's a belly button technique if you can call it it's my dirty water period because the other blue period rose period will that you know you're a rose by any other name maybe you know so i suddenly thought it would be interesting instead of instead of just blowing i use a blower that atomizer. and you blow in it and it draws in cup and you pictorially

as us and it will editions with it come to you kind of one of the but you've got to be accurate and you both if. i'm the boss of you don't know all the homework you've got to. keep them. going go you know it's the most important thing to those who. think it is rage they would certainly rage in this book about extinction when you guys were doing this. how aware were you that. getting the book out on time some of the animals might have become extinct the wrangling i think is already in the news yes a. prelude to extinction. the thing is that some of the drawings are done make suggests that the should be extinct i really carries with you of the. pigeons and. i let him go his own way on these things because you know what. the whole thing we

try and do is joke about a serious subject but in a way that actually is playful because we all know who the world is in terrible trouble in that way dreadful people and we've destroyed this meaty straw at that and we know that since one thousand nine hundred seventy we've lost so many creatures and fifty percent of those creatures in one nine hundred seventy will be gone by twenty twenty you know there are dreadful facts out there but if you keep ramming that down people's throats they disengage so our idea is to try and get people to a difficult subject by making them smile making them laugh and find themselves involved so that actually they might just go at the end of the book or the end of reading about a particular animal actually i'd like to find out there's any way i can help and most of these animals have small groups that are trying to help support them from from extinction and trying to support them to survive and everybody needs help yeah we know that there's a wonderful groups like the w w f u r s p b bird life international there's

hundreds of groups big groups and then there's all these little groups as well and governments are quite nice about government the russian government or mexican government the u.s. government they all have different programs it's not a you know doom and gloom you know days of the british government. dragging their heels on the international ivory trade me you know under. she has to go to what is it it's a human she's a man of a mobile phone on a mobile phone yes he wants to create and that's a reason may be drawing it late so it will be copyrighted already but yeah i mean i think the british government are dragging their heels you know there was a pledge to sort out the whole problem of the ivory trade in the last manifesto and now you know they haven't actually got its money may go further some people have said that rich antique is old ivory maybe not tories i mean. it could be definitely part of yeah everything can be we all know we're in the age of economic value and i'm forty economic value overrides environmental logical and the ecological

concerns notes but they were. forbidden is of course an arsenal fan and has come out really against this thing about animals stuff you've done one picture of corbin with a dice only one coming and he's got a holding he's holding a dice and he's and it's the three four on the six and all dribbling in that are all over the place and he's holding this thing and he's going in a proper way to be chosen to. pictorial is jeremy cool but in that way. it was always wrong to bring a guys to a chess game anyway it was a really i think the chess game just happened to be on the floor and he walked all over it he doesn't have to be a chess player. to be a dice man i mean you are famed for

a visceral pictorial or no i mean nicest people think or do you know tony what people tell me you must be a nasty piece of work. or they love your work for something like this as a tony blair you decided to pick. somebody assassinate him with a. he was draped in the u.s. flag the stars and stripes with a missile through his or her through that and come out the other way such as right where the what if you were well i exactly what he also has in the back of his head he was the when he was in ninety seven almost a two thousand and seven level thinking he disappeared and i didn't disappear just come back again i think he's actually thinking he's missing it and he wants to he'd like to be able to make an order to bombs you know and i think this new york sound machine staying at home go from north korea. on we're going to join his murder you revive him i mean he's on just after

a. plate because he would be but you put the fear of armageddon is through your work you yeah i think it will of done that sort of idea that bankers scum of the song scum scum scum about bankers but we'll talk about that we haven't been doing a lot of this you're showing not to the big multinational force of your companies too much oh did you or you didn't both i thought old you know i think we kind of upbeat book it has to be upbeat because we know all the subtext in the subplots going on and we know that economy rides over everything and we are in and that the same week that a book like this comes out which is trying to support life you've got standing strong the shareholder of arsenal coming out with this hunting channel and there's a struck by her sort of quote from him saying there's nothing better than a shooting an endangered elephant well i mean what kind of message is this to be sending out why is anybody doing anything other than attacking him and all these

people that well it's some sort of power trip surely to go off hunting these incredible beasts you know we're beyond that we used to rape and pillage for centuries but we don't do it now much some would say some would suspect you still have to of course the tories were bringing back folks i think over who are going to be able to say jake. reese morg should replace the rays of makers he's having trouble apparently you know jacob's father yeah. i work for him and at the same response time doctor oh yeah and found i was for six months only i was the first three months of the trial then they gave me a second try move three months and then read mark colvin and we've had complaints from readers who think your work is rather offensive coming out of the paras claiming he was too late for this book. germs decision presume we not something going to help these animals no doubt also if they're getting rid of a lot of the marine protection in america there is such

a view of wildlife that i find absolutely frightening i mean in a way trump is the perfect president for our times you know everybody's wished for change on certain things and we need certain change but we've gone to an extreme direction it probably needs to flow back the other way and then find a new you know you may or may not agree with french politics but they've found new politics new party to take it forward he's a banker i should say i mean i don't know that at certain interesting thing but at least somebody is trying to do something different you got today mostly in spain there are new politics in this country it's very hard to get anything new going it's the same old status quo it's right left it's tory it's labor and i think we are crying out for something like the guns of asian party why not you know somebody is somebody that would make a bit of a difference you know that i'd love him as prime minister i think art has a moment's thought birds and it animals are as

a place politically and social commentary commentary wise i mean you go back to roland's and gil way hogarth people been commenting on what's going on the whole time and as being at the forefront of it i mean you always quote from. i know there is nothing you can say but if you can see it you know you me so that's a drawing. and. you suddenly see a face and they see an animal and it seems to me that sometimes it's an animal in distress but you do see that. or you see it looking a bit. and i don't think i'm a thing that these are as political these pictures of ralph's as any of the nixon era we have this is the most political subject for me in the world today never mind everything else the actual planet we're all on the way we're treating it surely has to be the greatest discussion we can have. thank you after the break.

the billion dollar food industry. says that could give you the push. and. we look at. the voices fighting back against government sanctioned war. it's. just a. problem. when everything. is phony.

welcome back in the first half we had from world renowned artist ralph stedman who worked with this wondrous thompson using pen and paint to skew a political elites and fight against nato wars the imperial war museum in london the new exhibition people fighting for peace showcases over one hundred years of protest with paintings posed as that and placards and music deputy editor sebastian baca went to speak to the museum senior curator and britain's unofficial waratahs peter counted. from the backs of the storm to bombs being dropped on

civilians in yemen poetry paint in protest of the voices of civilians fighting back against government sanctioned was people power fighting for peace at the imperial war museum examines the office of protest the exhibition spans a hundred years with over three hundred objects revealing the creativity and potency of the antiwar movement i asked senior creates a story in brosnan about why the museum put the exhibition on we've long wanted to do an exhibition looking as he will protest it's. a fantastic opportunities of zero to do it during the course of this interior the first world war when you see all three minutes in our subject matter is you know has a certain amount of attention so we wanted to look at antiwar protest of the whole hundred year period ground in the context of the first world war and it's also something that we you know we've long looked at the conflict from

a variety of perspectives and through the whole social experience of war so it's you know we're not just a museum that the military experience exclusively so we wanted to do something that showed another aspect to the remade to another fascinating aspect of you know the person experience of the will protest the exhibition covers the government treatment of conscientious objectors in the first world war ridiculed in the press imprisoned and banned from voting. the poetry in paintings of trench warfare the moral complexity of the second world war a milde questioning his pacifism in the face of nazi germany the nearly seventy two years the day the american government dropped nuclear bombs in hiroshima killing maybe one hundred fifty thousand civilians i spoke to peter kenneled one of the artists featured in the exhibition about his work with the campaign for nuclear disarmament started in the late seventy's when cruise missiles were in such a boat in cruise missiles. just before and then i went to see india and they were

very small outfit at that time but the cruise missiles suddenly my whole say and do thing explode and it became an enormous movement of enormous demonstrations and then when the n.t. nuclear movement started they were still using straight images of nuclear cloud so i wanted to show what that cloud was about and i wanted to just directly connected to skeletons to the horrors. believable horrors of hiroshima. to actually make that connection images horribly enough it's still used by c. and d. on the same sort of demonstrations because of we've we've got tried this country's decided to spend what could be two hundred thirty billion it's being named on reconditioning this obscene useless object so people still use the same the

same image and. the government introduced a series of films in a public information the fickle protests and sit on this this became public knowledge of nine hundred eighty when it was actually leaked to the press and that was kind of immediately the subject to you know sort of counter protest by c.n.d. and others say the council protest and survivors immediately published the same year and it kind of acted as a kind of galvanizing feet shift. as i say they were there with large demonstrations of you know hundreds of thousands of people taking place thirty three many of the years in the eighty's a skeleton reading protect and survive which actually was i was teaching someone who was a skeleton just got the idea of doing so or go students to hold up the hands of the skeletons of skeletons don't usually read through up and we put just put to protect and survive leaflet pamphlet the government wanted. them photographed so

it's a photograph so it's a montage of a photo. three's a maze you know i would press the button she was sort of loaded. when corbin said he wouldn't press about me also he was mad you know so this is a sense you wouldn't be mad if you actually started up the end of the world you would be if you had doubts about it. so in a tense situation where the politicians seem to get mad and less informed. off kilter in terms of. understanding any sort of reality and one of the best sort of examples of kind of mass mobilization for an antiwar protests took place in two thousand and three so the iraq war was a real sort of key feature of that period and sort of a massive wave of sort of public support for opposition to that particular conflict and it was one of the most influential so the images from that period. is this

image of tiny that taking a selfie in front of the oil field by piece account and can't fit it. to walk again it was produced very much in the midst of that kind of you know real sort of strong feeling against the iraq war and seeing the same case in against anything so that's the one thing you can do with a photo montage of the sort of where you have separate images you bring them together and you create it. meaning for. by bringing them together and you have the . you have the horrors and the victims with the actual perpetrator so they want to which emit a originally was a public relations picture of the new labor at major so that was a p.r. picture so we just cut the picture of blair out and then put a loyal field behind me in cap for that and i was actually doing a talk once not so long ago and the young kids you know the kids of experts on

mobile phones i said that model didn't even have a camera in it i thought was very new labor actually. not everyone is going to sit down and read jump school or whatever but if you see an image that actually brings together the perpetrator and the victim or starvation and how much nuclear spent on weapons around the world to bring those things very simple things together it gets through to people quickly and i don't believe all has an effect on its own but if it's allied to other movements or if it creates critical thinking and people then it can have an effect i think we're coming up later in the is the eightieth anniversary of the bombing of. which was the first blanket bombing of civilians and we know. picasso's painting. that's you know you think of that image and when. they were announcing the

iraq war in the united nations they had a giant tapestry of going to behind them which is up in the un and. and they decided they couldn't announce the iraq war in front of going to because they had covered it in a blue cloth. argument was a horse and it didn't film very well on a very of one of the perioperative of but obviously so an image like that still got enormous power you know that's an image that is still seen on demonstrations it's an image that was actually shown in a car showroom when it came to britain a car showroom in manchester during the spanish civil war people boots for the people that were going out as punishment or so you think of a painting like that and it's still got enormous power as an antiwar image.

deputy editors about the impact of their the london imperial war museum people power fighting for peace exhibition which if you're around london you can go and see until the twenty eighth of august but for those of you watching who are affluent enough to be thinking of being able to go to the beach this summer you may be turning your mind to the so-called beach body loved by a multinational corporation marketers and advertisers will forget what you may have seen about the diets of victoria back i'm going to tell joe robbie williams jennifer aniston over the curb for instance the diet you should be on is the carrier type diet and the designer of the diet and the wall are a frequent contributor to new scientist magazine and the author of the angry chef bad science of the truth about healthy eating joins me now to the wall or welcome to going underground to tell me about the career top diet you've invented which may offer humility. something that may solve the health problems associated with living in the modern age a big leap yet well the carrot type diet is something i'm not studied diet healthful i'm not a fan of fad diets and i made that clear but there is one i've discovered which

does seem to have a real effect and something i do myself and it's something i've really seen people have a real benefit of and is actually based on recently simple principle with a number of chromosomes we have within ourselves that we have forty six. different animals have different amounts and you know kind of put you on a chain of chain you consider all living things can sit on call living things have chromosomes and so if you look at. forty six you eat animals and have more chromosomes than you the the idea is that that's sort of not suitable end of the food that we should be no if it were designed to be as human as their higher up in this sort of chromosome a lot of. our evolution we wouldn't eat animals like that so if you're outside for instance carp have one hundred four chromosomes and traditionally before we have all technologies they would've been different very very intelligent carp no we've been difficult to catch on there are animals that have more than dogs have seventy eight horses have sixty four we shouldn't be eating creatures like that and we

should be we should be eating one but we've got chromosome number so for instance rabbits have about forty four so that's kind of near us or perhaps the sort of things infrequently we should really focus on restrict our diets to things like rice we have twenty four snails have twenty four and beans have twenty two and if you look at that single incident i've found a paella which would have been eaten in the mediterranean mediterranean diet is famous as one of the blue don't want to want to work place again this is all rubbish. now the fact that this is rubbish you use in this book to illustrate why so many of these are based on. typically they are and yet people keep wanting them there what is detox as you explain it in this detox this idea that certain foods which if you eat they will flush talks in that system in a kind of based on the idea that there's lots of toxins around modern life causes toxins and they build up in our bodies and if we. food or lemon juice with water or

kale or green juices they'll detox or something which is which just doesn't make any sort of it's all liabilities and all that is really a to go in such things detox if you go to hospital when you've been poisoned you probably have a detox procedure that's not like it used to and it's not you know. cleansing for all that matter. it's a serious medical procedure the idea that food can detox but we don't need food to detox is unless you have something really wrong with. i live in our kidneys remove talking to my body perfectly happily but oh well for do you blame the media for spreading these. yet or doing that it may get media feed to demand for this sort of thing when there's a real demand for the weight loss we see as a proxy for healthy thing if we're healthy is not necessarily true and the one thing that doesn't work for weight loss one thing it really doesn't work is going on a restrictive diet there's a very good window you yourselves say that if you restrict something from your dirt you will lose a bit of wit in the short term over

a long time in five years the vast majority of these different figures but you know probably the best most studies about eighty five percent of people will be heavier or your same way or heavier in five years time if they start out most people lose if you really are stripped off because you lose weight in the short term but it's just not sustainable and you know people are sort of taken back to the same before and actually that some change away that yo yo dieting is is very very bad from metabolic health and a very bad state to be in and is a very briefly there are more questions than answers because it is book obesity rises in diabetes we still don't of fields as to why western societies in particular are suffering these exponential rises we don't know that's kind of thing you need to remember with all people start saying what the answer is one of the one of the most harmful things that we forget about with food and diet is is guilt and shame and the stress that causes natural real health implications and that have you know if we're creating guilt around food choices you are saying all sugar is bad if

you give it to children you're a bad parent then think what you doing to people who are doing that every day that they'll see those messages about paranoia about person but i'm really busy and i have to do peter tonight because you know i can't i'm got time to break this wonderful home cooked meal that everyone's telling me that's the only way to be healthy i think you're creating guilt you creating shame and you're creating really unpleasant associations your food you're setting people up for a disorder but. i think we've. i get about that a lot just by focusing on the cure obesity by doing this and other stuff with the work we want to thank you and that's it for the show we're back on monday with one of the world's greatest political cartoonists to talk about corruption in brazil occupation in palestine the cia and. backing rebels in venezuela. you will see on monday twenty two years to the day atmosphere international marked by international pressure forcing the usa to postpone executing one of the most talented writers of his generation. he would be denied

a pardon by barack obama despite becoming a beacon for civil rights all around the world. as. you can see the border from here. still. we don't.

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