overzealous supporters spillover from sporting rivalries to the world of politics. cast pattern former football hooligan now author of numerous books welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us cash now you met russian hooligans before right and they view you as a legit are they really so bloodthirsty as the media paints them. know. what i always trying for isis to go is all i'm a i was in so fast and for a year i was and i was quite young i reminded me of the hooligans in england that might and that's always not in for themselves back in the seventy's and eighty's that that sign hung at that sign look at that sign sense of excitement. i was probably placed a mate by only one of them spoke english not as it. was the first time i've been a lad out of russia as a group. with phases of stuff so i was where we saw it to test themselves and i'm

saying that in the euro championships not so fast in the four and i told me i said had you know i won nine because i'm an old but that i wasn't aware of a book published in russia and i said well because president we know what english. want you elections in russia we love a lot from your books england is the motherland of food it is a well to russia welcome to russia why are you scared to come to the world cup. me so for. a month and i each now that over to watch you on so you very i've been invited to moscow once look at the time come to slime a film i can now i would love to do the most going opening volley ball of. the russians on mate and so fast and for that i stayed in touch with may learn a lot about him because he spent at least some free weights if you would him for forthcoming book the photo of india. you know a lot of the time hooligans are actually branded fascists criminals by the media

you experienced as well back in day does the media exaggerate the ties between whole again is a man criminality. the major point poem always football who is a friend a killing the used to fuel the phone it's because the who dunnit relied on the media and i tried so the information i got from the media made it started and leak of on it's on the football star i started it was announced so at the stadiums. it was sponsible media we posed to fight in the international dives a lot of friends. very much to slaughter the media because they have different stories to the one we polled teet. how do you change just misperception between football fans or hooligans and those on the outside. one is are one reason to

come out is because there's a different story to the one the public was being told by the media and i've become quite a six four four four when people with laws there was a different story. in fight a lot of people learn from our books students people. that work at a guy who does a lot you know for a lot about the night and the people close in his hogans for information from the spirits to the bill if you can papers like them they row and daily mail there were quick to publish videos claiming they show. showing russian hooligans fighting while in reality this was a traditional spring festival play fight that's not even the first time this sort of thing happens how does this affect the perception of a regular british football flame. well as as a former bush. they scan every poll in the i did say that video and you can say

anyone watches it because a story on why that was not football heard it was a. bot it sells piper's you know they put the headlines out and people want to pipe in a straight ahead of the headline and when they were using the takes and not seen the video which mean you've seen the show someone taught a different way to experience state the russian hooligans that are in their spirits that the sign here is as the english to them said doesn't mean to say that who is and doesn't go on it clearly dogs but there's one thing about miss me poll and want to say a lot britain has got a lot of problems i had this is a lie is solved with code ism it seems that way now but move for more than for the woman with a sheet of opinions and since the fall to solve it here you know you and you'll you know you'll experience it out but in later experience that and i realize that we poll in. it as an influx to the point now that i don't really recall football it's

in england and lest i have to and offer it as an unwritten rule with the price thing england only applies to the english league clubs when they play internationals like freedom to report had i wish they'd go a lot more freedom hate speech for my teacher told him a lot the world cup or are you out but with the world cup coming up you will see a lot of media in this country from the from the the press mirrored in the sun. and by see the whole british press establishment go over bold before ball was kicked in the well caught up at the frets of violet's when it's all actually happens. you form that yvonne it seems i was among the what. is known as is that me is the press bit without building up space before it's because the measures that were in place that died but after watching all these movies and

reading the hysteria in the media is there any danger anglish fans could be seeking retaliation in twenty eighteen i mean especially after last year's violence at the here is enough to say. you know what the hype did happen and it's not going to miss but luckily the whole is there because of events law is so because england signs of being banged before. just lights of on it's lot seven so what we see the year was two sixteen. because i'm going to bring food i know who the who that is all and i know new measures to try to stop them leaving the country . many of whom will not my future russia you know what football hooligans may be learning from the english elegant movements of decades ago russian authorities are also taking a page from england's playbook there are forcing tougher rules and penalties for violence at sporting events do you think that will work. these country.

and shared intelligence shared information. like they couldn't really solving go a long time because each of four is doing different things it is only when a way forward is the football the football clubs the place and the colts all come together on was i able to really get on top of the von it's in england and from that i've never looked like in some self you feel is really in charge of crowd control and they're very effective. afrique what's going on in russia afraid i would like a similar action because life is a freak i know in the west the pulse of the media and the way still looking for russia to find was i'm i just spoke with the three. and offering russia when i realize the world will be watching for signs of football want to that i can

obviously play out in the media. and might use that please. it's quite obvious that offering a lot of washing who goes will expect a climb down while before the first ball with kids in the tournament. is just scare fair on t.v. and in other media are done in hope that russia will be stripped of the tournament and maybe it will go to england finally when costs are actually like they've been heard for a year is now. free what's what's going on is as a person on the terraces on the in the football saints in england ice crown appoint themselves the football fans is not supreme vote politically i don't like the politics into football. but you can't mess being in england. and wallace and there's a girl in the last few years and i didn't see russia found

a way that's come from. but you can see it building their price to almost hysterical levels. and sport is not for it though he warned politics but you can see it being used as a plea to football. now u.k.'s liberal police chief mark roberts warrant that lyle behavior of a minority of british fans and rush out what put all females at risk do you agree with this. not knowing the whole buffet the problem is the russian football hooligans as they perceive themselves adopted a model from the english show to guns but what's going on is entirely different in the fairway the russian who turns a different strains of football on its to the one night and it states misunderstand the culture is very cozy of properties like a sighting them the majority in the frame bites is welcome and might have told much

across the world because by spain's well. the balls draw i and i cold was a little problems it's only the minority but the russian who learns to not know who's a who didn't and it was a known who didn't amongst the english and would look at the mean resty or look at a wise interest in the hood and what's right even on the street that's what happened in the u. i was which angered a lot of in the show you can miss that all of it if you're. a really. really angry that the russians had tights nonviolence a polis. on the sign is what. is actually. going to wear out. very much. all right cass we're going to take

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now we're back with cast panel and author of numerous books on football hooliganism a former member of the hooligan forum talking about causes and the consequences of organized football violence welcome back cas now whenever fights between hooligans

from different countries break out it immediately becomes infused with politics why does it sometimes become less of a problem and says a source of national pride i mean english fans are better than they were russian vice versa. so as a as a sport it's different to any other sport where audience participation. actually if can affect a guy you know that i don't know any other sport where the audience can actually be part of the playas you know he watched her niece slow f one. you watch football and the atmosphere in the ground can affect the guy you can see plies one phone star you can see the motions of pliers the between applies and the crowd there's no office spall way out the crank can actually influence the guy and create an atmosphere from nothing is very powerful lol for who finds that involving

on its site its bevan's sex and actually site it's a drug and if you fink about every at diction in life there's way you hate all someone professes expostulate it not. even violence and anger is all treated but in but no one treats a football hood at all no a lot of it has become addicted to something as a no one no one guy is doctors managers teachers so it might seem very difficult to understand for audience and judge people because they're not given up off and all sorts of polish if you look at a football stadium site fifty thousand finds the site so hunter the dickens a causing problems for flares a lot not the other. fifty thousand frames to know if these if these friends out isolate him as friends but friends that go too far it's not something to fight with the but a signed on the record on his friends would have made a case that

a coworker that actually point these guys is monstrous but if you look at it by jobs and what i do in law suddenly goes on there and then if they were at home i like to caution i don't buy into russian universities and it's very similar to the gangs in england that only make the leaders thugs that involved in the become wildlife are the very inside engine goers so the football from what you're saying is in particular. always have been a way to rip present class to reinforce what you are like the catholics are waiting for celtic and a protest and for rangers and scotland later barcelona fans waving catalan flags that matches like the london where i will raise you where a part of in you know all this up but do you think the well is maybe taken too seriously i mean i mean it's just a game after all. no

football is going to guy i'm for boys more than a guy there and that's why it's different to other sports yes you want what you sign if you applies to other sports you go to being a tie and enjoy it i suppose it's like an interest i mean. what's that sport and then you leave. but with football people live there this is a challenge for the guys you know when it's in a group of their choosing to be winners to. not fit into so i. wanted some stuff from what i thought as i say it is more than just two hours that assignment would have gone for much of a fight somebody is going is that we involved at the front so here at the hall cole of a. live live live that won't. you know the right thing to say is that politics has no place in sports but. you have really been fused together forever how can you make international teams compete and pretend this isn't about

politics at all can you add her take politics out of the equation and disentangle sports and politics yeah it will happen in england politics for one spell all of the cole in my lifetime try to involve them in so it says and it is for white goods british national party movement british. and the national front within a couple of years that was driven out of the stadiums in the terraces the influence of politics but didn't come from establishment they come from want finke in a photo it's actually come from the fans themselves the friends themselves they saw enough snuff and drugged out the slime for you happen to stain we for move on and see come the fans actually want to commit move on it's they will want a big crowd to calm actually stop it you can enforce the law but you can't stop the

will with the frames from happening right off the horn so the english clubs a lot of friends themselves said enough is enough they placed themselves by slowly and moved on to something else so there's always hope. there's a what there's always hope lot of thomas eric's handle them now is that some of the money to complements with a meet up at six in trouble is not happened because the why they've been the placed you know the trade the one the big friends that a lot of people miss with the focal plane. is the word respect it's always where the place in a folder is a choice the frames with respect in code from way and i style had that bus to the ground had a cleat. when i joined can in the square as helped. is how you are stopped slowly spreading you know about the level of violence could also be seen as a way of letting off steam and now there's even been calls for making an organized show what rules control may and she's basically attorney from a street brawl to

a mass u. of c. five what is it about that. i miss and miss on the stand the football who don't show the slide arm because over that several times over the years and actually. i don't. but since that happens it comes mine story home fraying with the football for years i think it's like they know we don't know meit's the world for them when i look at the studied ios a saw in mike's the votes from when they're in the groups in the study i'm going by you might do well with themselves on a stat for you to my space i miss you know russian football fans they rave english books some whole again isn't they watch movies you're one of the people that's inspired to hold a newman in russia in the first place with your works for instance what do you make of that i mean is the hooliganism depicted and folks in movies more glamorous than

in reality i mean does it create a sort of false attraction to the phenomena. when it comes to the films when i was a film might have my life my life was my to film a lot of people one happy about i want frank to society but when i watch the film and say there's a different story of a real person and there's a lot of having good news going you know what with the problems we football vata it's gooey it's a gray area and society as an infant blackcomb what we call and i cry as we go i don't suffer a thing sometimes there's no there's no i won't say it is what it needs and. you know what kind of sight when. lost soldiers are always the lot more history of our favorite subject and the soldiers were never told about their experiences in a war in our sights and what is the best war film and i signed none you know and what once said to me once is no film can give you real cause and the football films

and books only come in the fountain it's a light from moments a modern day from the moment and the reason that they're in someone always because people know it's not real people were born to books are not of the holy ghost these people were not all that life whatsoever and society fame when you go into a book shop and buy books on crime you're not going to go hungry that book and gone rob a bank and it's a sign thing you can't just walk into a gang because you watch the film that's why i say it in those that's what was swore by and so when i'm at a loss as it was a shock to me when i sate by all the fluids potter books and the film was it was a total shock of a lot to look at they put look at a culture and look that i would just see spirit saying what the west of a for many years from the fifty's which is their life group is a twenty four so the place it's a night is. and with the for the soviet union it wasn't conscripts on board has gone from universities to job sites carrying song before i played the mains gun but

i was single so i had no responsibility family was so there's a lot of social included some ground but the economics a lot more wall seems to think he would have to focus on it's not really an english one but it's what we are going to sell isn't i and it's the russians say we've given the world with but that adoption you know you've got to look at the date of frights is beyond what you see but nowadays the russian football union came up with this thing called gentle play and initiative gerry and a series of football matches in the run up to the twenty eight in world cup you know supporters a rival teams who are welcomed by russian fans with a warm blanket versus manchester united excedrin do you think we should it was like this really help decrease to level of tension at tournaments or is this to toothless. who goes i'm so so probably lost but i don't want. friends

that go to these told me friends who won't commit of send night with a man you know even devotion thing and is positive and one was say the phrase themselves can the law to solve a lot of problems. and one of the things easy in england it's not comin out to be a football hooligan so the majority of friends i love who is just by you see stop of on it's a become a frame you go for. the problems of football no one was born to who the good. you know those those friends first and then become who goes in just as easy got but it's a pain friends and this is the flights what's going on with it shows that twenty eight shows was set that one would respect the law fines that travel to these torments leave out for four years oh i'm sorry about the loss of lots of money it's got its ornament and eyesight evolve it is told once and everyone is treated as a who had a gun and want to trade with nobody speight so when russians fight is an issue to

slaughter it with groups trying to find somebody friendly and showed a french respect it creates a different atmosphere and it spreads when the place use force and it's not justified as you know all the force that is uses out of the justified the normal fine spring state would have heard of it because i feel frightened that lives themselves and it creates an atmosphere of any case dangerous where the police have to buy cough because the whole quiet for it was law against them is an ugly act it's failed and this what sometimes causes the problem. and this is his lot i bought a site frayn's can always the work respect and what you're telling me and more of see that i you know. it be respected by the most mature friends site that you get so who is going to sell those i have another agenda if they will isolate law and i then aisy to control them and consign them with you know i'm quite sure the russians with the law being the state a move well before it was kids in the world cup and so on and so you. are right

cass thanks for this interview for this interesting insight into the world of hell again is i'm wishing all a bass we're talking to cast pennant off there a former football hooligan and day into the major a while and so on football and the dangers it may pose adult football's biggest tournaments that's it for this edition of stuff cause the next time. thank you suffered thanks campbell.

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