clashing with rival supporters as the hooligans movement in russia as dangerous as the media. well to talk about this and more we're joined by a legendary figure in the world of football hooliganism now author and filmmaker pennant. the football world cup biggest show on earth is coming to russia next year but with the spectacle of the party atmosphere comes this thread. so why is it. seems to go. only. overzealous supporters spillover from sports rivalries to the world of politics. cast pattern former football hooligan now author of numerous books welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us cash now you met russian hooligans before right and they view you as a legend are they really so bloodthirsty as the media paints them. no.

what i always trying for isis to go is on may i was in so fast and for a year i was and i was quite young i reminded me of the guns in england that my denotes always nine for themselves back in the seventy's and eighty's that that sign hung at that sign look at that sign sense of excitement. i was probably placed a mate by only one of them spoke english not as it. was the first time they'd been allowed out of russia as a group. with phrases of stuff so i was very sorry to test themselves and i was a nation in the euro championships in the four and i told me i said i had you know i won nine because i'm an old fart that i wasn't aware of a book published in russia and i said well because pregnant we know only english. on elections in russia we learn a lot from your books england is the motherland of food it is

a well to russia welcome to russia are you scared to come to the world cup. me so for. a moment i each now that to watch you and say very i've been invited to moscow once look at the time come the slime of the film i can now i would love to do the moscow opening volley ball of. the russians on mate and so fast and for that i stayed in touch with me and i've learnt a lot about him because in the euros are spent at least two free weights if you are them for a full coming book the photo of india you know a lot of the time hooligans are actually branded fascists criminals by the media you experienced this as well back in day this is the media exaggerate the ties between whole again is a man criminality. the major point poem always football who is a friend by killing the used to fuel the vonnegut's because the who

dunnit relied on the media and i tried so the information i got from the media meant it started and leak of on it's on the football star i cited was and out so at the stadium so. it was sponsible media reports in the fight in international dives a lot of friends. very much to slaughter the media because they have different stories to the one we polled teet how do you change just misperception between football fans or whole against and those on the outside. one is are one reason to come out is because i felt it was a different story to the one the public was being told by the media and i've become quite a successful over when people with laws that was a different story and fight a lot of people learn from our books students people. that work at a guy who does a lot you know for a lot about the night and the people close in his hogans for information from the

spirit. to the bill if you can papers like them a row and daily mail there were quick to publish videos claiming they show. showing russian hooligans fighting while in reality this was a traditional spring festival play fight that's not even the first time this sort of thing happens how does this affect the perception of a regular british football flame. well as as a form of push. this can of the poet i did say that video and you can say anyone watches it because a story on why that was not football heard it was a. bot it sells piper's you know they put the headlines out and people want to pipe in a straight ahead of the headline and when they were using the take side and not seen the video which mean you've seen the show some it taught a different. experience state the russian hooligans that are spirits

that the sign here is as the english to them said doesn't mean to say that who is and doesn't go on the clearly thought of but there's one thing about mystery poll and want to say a lot britain has got a lot of problems they had this is a lie is solved with code ism it seems that way now the new for more than for the woman with a sheet of opinions and since the fall to solve it here you know you'll be you know you'll experience it out but in later experience that and i realize that we pull in . as an influence to the point now that i don't really recall football it's in england and west i have to and offer it as an unwritten rule with the price thing england only applies to the english league clubs but when i play internationals i go for them to repulse had i wished i got a lot more freedom hates before my teacher told him at last the world cup or you

out but with the world cup coming up you will see a lot of media in this country from the from the the press mirror and the sun. and by see the whole british press establishment go over bold before ball was kicked in the well caught up at the frets of violet's when it's all actually happens. you formed that von it seems i was alone though what's really. is know is damaging is the price bill without building up to pay before it's because the measures that we employ start but after watching all these movies and reading the hysteria in the media is there a danger anglish fans could be seeking retaliation in twenty eighteen i mean especially after last year's violence at the here is enough to say. you know what the hype did happen and it's not going to miss but luckily the whole is there

because of events longhorns so because england signs of being banged before. just lights of on its lot seven so what we say to you i was too sixteen. because i'm going to bring food right by who that is all and i know new measures to try to stop them leaving the country. many of whom were not my future russia it was football hooligans maybe learning from the english elegant movements of decades ago russian authorities are also taking a page from england's playbook there and forcing tougher rules and penalties for violence at sporting events do you think that will work. these country. and it's best shared intelligence shared information. like they couldn't really solving go a long time because a cheerful is doing different things it is only when a way forward is the football the football clubs the place and the colts all come

together on was i able to really get on top of the vaughan it's in england and from that i've never looked like in some self you fall is really in charge of crowd control and they're very effective. afrique what's going on in russia afraid i will try to simulate action because life is a freak i know in the west the pulse of the media in the way slow looking for russia to find was a major sporting very. and offering russia when i realize the world will be watching for signs of football wants that i can obviously play out in the media. and might use that politically. it's quite obvious that offering a lot of russian who goes will expect a climb down while before the first ball with kate in the tournament. is disc

airfare on t.v. and in other media are done in hope that russia will be stripped of the tournament and maybe it will go to england finally win cause for action like they've been heard for a year is now. well free what's what's going on is as a person on the terraces on the in the football saints in england ice chrono pride themselves the football fans is not supreme vaal politically i don't like the politics into football. but because i'm a case in england was worried and while i listened there's a girl in the last few years and i didn't see russia found a way that's come from. but you can see it building oppressed almost hysterical levels. and sport is not for it though we war politics but you can see it being used as a playful football. now even as liberal police chief mark roberts warrant that lyle

behavior of a minority of british fans and rush out what put all females at risk do you agree with this. not knowing the whole buffet the problem is the russian football hooligans as they perceive themselves adopted a model from the english show to guns but what's going on is entirely different in the fair way the russian hooligans at the different strains of football wanted to the one night and it states misunderstand the culture is very cozy of properties like a sliding them the majority of the frame bites is welcome and might have told much across the world because by spain's well. the balls draw i and i cold was a little problems it's only the minority but the russian who didn't do not know who is or who didn't and it was a known who didn't amongst the english and would look at these an english guy or look at

a wise interest in the hood and what's right even on the street that's what happened in new eyes which angered a lot of in the show the things that all of in. a really. really angry but the russians are tight now move on and suppose. a russian who is on the site we fought with. on the sign is what was. the repetition of english is actually coming that he finds a way out into the us well with a very much. and that. all right castle then take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking with cast panel. turned author stuff more about the nature of the violence around the game.

about your sudden passing i've only just learnt you worry yourself in taking your last turn. up to you as we all knew it would i tell you i'm sorry i could so i write these last words in hopes to put to rest these things that i never got off my chest. i remember when we first met my life turned on each breath . but then my feelings started to change you talked about war like it was

a cave still some are fond of you those that didn't like to question our ark and i secretly promised to never be like it said one does not leave a funeral the same as one enters the mind it's consumed with death this one quite different i speak to you because there are no other takers. to claim that mainstream media has met its make. social environment. chemical discoveries over the last century made every day life easier but at what cost this is syria is exceptionally sick. no wonder it's cause and. says says the years old industrial giants reap the benefit ignoring the harm caused by chemical production. you know as if these people are. just experimental animals decades later the toxic

environment continues to poison lives and we found these astronomically high levels of dioxin levels that my staff think maybe some of the highest levels ever on in the united states for almost thirty years this very serious problem had not actually been addressed what will that investigation into the chemical industry secrets revealed. or there's. now we're back with cast panel and author of numerous books on football hooliganism a former member of the hillock and for him talking about causes and the consequences of organized football violence welcome back cast now one of our fights

between hooligans from different countries breakouts it immediately becomes infused with politics why does it sometimes become less of a problem and instead of a source of national pride i mean english fans are better than they were russians or vice versa. so as a sport it's different to any other small. audience participation. actually if can affect the guy you know that i don't know any other sport where the audience can actually be part of the playas you know he watched her niece slow f one. you watch football and the atmosphere in the ground can affect the guy you can see plies one phone star you can see the motions of pliers the guy between applies and the crowd there's no office spall way out the crank can actually influence the guy and create an atmosphere from nothing is very powerful lol for who finds that

involving on its site its bevan's sex and actually size. and if you fink about every at diction in life there's way you had all someone professes expostulate it not. even violence and anger is all treated but in but no one treats a football hood at all no a lot of good it has become addicted is something as a no one no one guy is doctors managers teachers that might seem very difficult to understand for on it's and judge people because they're not given up off and all sorts of polish if you look at a football stadium site fifty thousand finds the site so hunter the dickens a causing problems for flare as a walk not the other. fifty thousand frames do not get these if these friends out i slay them as friends but friends that go too far it's not something to fight with

the but a signed on the record on his friends would have made a case that cohen actually point these guys is monstrous but if you look at it by jobs and what i do in law suddenly goes on there and then if they were at home i went because shit i don't buy into russian universities and it is very similar to the gangs in england that only make the leaders thugs that involved in the become wildlife are the very inside engine goers so the football from what you're saying is in particular. always have been a way to rip present class to reinforce what you are like the catholics are waiting for celtic and a protest and or rangers in scotland later barcelona fans waving catalan flags that matches like the london where i will raise you where a part of in you know all this up but do you think played well is maybe taken too seriously i mean i mean it's just a game after all. because. now

football is more than a guy for boys more than a guy and then that's why it's different to other sports yes you want what you sign if you applies to other sports you go to being a tie and enjoy it i suppose it's like an interest i mean. what's that sport and then you leave. but with football people live there this is a challenge for the guys you know when it's in a group of their choosing to be winners to. not fit into so i. wanted some stuff from what i thought as i say it is more than just two hours that assignment would have gone for much of a fight somebody is going is that we involved at the front so here at the hall cole of a. live live live that won't. you know the right thing to say is that politics has no place in sports but. you have really been fierce together

forever how can you make international teams compete and pretend this isn't about politics at all can you add her take politics out of the equation and disentangle sports and politics yeah it will happen in england politics for one spell all of the cole in my lifetime try to involve them in so it says and it is for white goods british national party the british. and the national front within a couple of years that was driven out of the stadiums in the terraces the influence of politics but it didn't come from establishment they come from want finke in a photo it's actually come from the frames themselves the frames themselves they saw enough snuff and drugged out the slime for you happen to stain we for move on and see come the friends actually want to commit move on it's they will want a big crowd to calm actually stop it you can enforce the law but you can't stop the

will with the frames from happening right off the horse so the english clubs a lot of friends themselves said enough is enough they placed themselves by slowly and moved on to something else so there's always hope. there's a what there's always hope lot of thomas eric's handle them now is that some of the money to complements with a meet up at six in trouble is not happened because the why they've been the placed you know the tree the one the big frames that a lot of people miss with the focal plane. is the word respect it's always where the place in a folder is a choice of the frames with respect including from way and i study how that bus to the ground how they create. when they join can in the square as helped. is how you are stopped slowly spreading you know about the level of violence could also be seen as a way of letting off steam and now there's even been calls for making an organized

show what rules control it may and she's basically attorney from a street brawl to a mass u. of c. five what do you think about that. and misunderstand the football who don't show the slide arm because over that several times over the years and actually. i don't. but since that happens it becomes mind story home fraying with the football for years i think it's like they know we don't know meit's the world for them when i look at the studied ios a saw in my case the vote winner in the groups in the study i'm going by you might do well with themselves on a stat for you to my space i miss you know russian football fans they rave english book some hole of an ism they watch movies you're one of the people that's inspired the hogan movement in russia in the first place with your works for instance what do you make of that mr hooliganism depicted and folks in movies more glamorous than

in reality i mean does it create a sort of false attraction to the phenomena. when it comes to the films when i was a film might have my life my life was my to film a lot of people one happy about i want frank to society but when i watch the film and say there's a different story of a real person and there's a lot of having good news going you know what with the problems with football vonn is screwy it's a gray area and society as an infant blackcomb what we call an eye to eye as we go i don't so for everything sometimes there's no there's no i won't say it is what it was and. you know what kind of sight when one of. loss soldiers are almost a lot more history of our favorite subject and the soldiers would never talk about their experiences in a war in our sights and what is the best war film and i signed none you know and what once such we once is no film can give you real chaos and the football films

and books only come in the fountain it's a light from moments a modern day from the moment and the reason that they're in so well is because people know it's not real people were born to books and not on the who these people were not all that life whatsoever and society fame when you go into a book shop and buy books on crime you're not going to go hungry that book and down rob a bank that's a sign thing you can't just walk into a gang because you watch the film that's why i say it in those that's what was for boy and so when i'm at a loss as it was a shock to me when i sate by all the fluids potter books and the film was it's how to shop there not to look they look at a culture and look that i would just see spirit see what the west of a for many years from the fifty's which is their life group was a twenty four so the place it's a night is. and with the for the soviet union it wasn't conscripts on board has

gone from universities to job sites killing someone before i played the mains got him i was single so i had no responsibility family was. the last social included so ground that he can own solo wall seems to me with a promise of focusing on it's not really an english one but it's what we are going to sell isn't i and it's the russians say we've given the world with it but the adoption you know you got to look at the date of fright is beyond what you see but nowadays the russian football union came up with this thing called gentle play an initiative during a series of football matches in the run up to the twenty eight in world cup you know supporters a rival teams who are welcomed by russian fans with a warm blanket a roster of verses manchester united except a rap do you think we should it was like this really helped to create still level of tension at tournaments or is this too toothless. who goes i'm so so probably lost but i don't want. friends that don't so he's told me it's me friends

who won't commit of send night with the man you know even devotion thing and all three is positive and one was say the phrase themselves can the law to solve a lot of problems. and one of the things is a start in england it's not comin out to be a football hooligan so the majority of friends i love who is just by you see stop of on it's become a frame you go for. the problems of football no one was born to. you know there's those friends first and then become who goes in just as easy got but it's a pain friends and this is the flights what's going on with shows that twenty eight shows was set the one would respect the law fines that travel to those torments leave out for four years on site about the loss of lots of money to go to torment and eyesight evolve it is told once and everyone is treated as a hoot and want to trade with nobody speight so when russians fight is initiatives

law it with groups trying to find somebody friendly and showed a french respect it creates a different atmosphere and it spreads when the place use force and it's not justified as you know all the force that is used these are over and over justified the normal friends for instance would have heard of it because i feel frightened that lives themselves and it creates an atmosphere of any case dangerous where the police have to buy cough because the whole quiet for it was law against them is an ugly atmosphere and this what sometimes causes the problem so this is his lot i lost sight friends but can always the work respect and what you are telling me and more of see that i you know. it be respected by the monks majority of friends like the site that you get so who is from cells by of a number joined up but if there are slight lot i then is easy to control and consignment and you know i'm quite sure the russians with the law being the state

a move well before ball was kicked in the world cup and so on and so you. are right cass thanks a lot for this interview for this interesting inside into the world of hell again is i'm wishing all a bass we're talking to cast a pan into their former football hooligan and day into the nature of while and so on football and the dangers it may pose to had a football's biggest tournaments that's it for this edition of stuff and call it the next time. thank you suffered thanks campbell. it was you know provision on my back when i wanted to. ask but i.

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